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I've bookmarked the site for later consideration. Think I'm A bit nervous of the roll my own stage just yet
Yep I think a more DIY approach to the case is a good idea. I will get myself down to London and have a look. I think seeing the physical mods may just push me over the edge
I will go join MuffWiggler, even though I can't say it without laughing....I'm such a big kid
Can't find a UK price for this one as yet, but thanks for the option
I think you're really tempted too eh?
Do spend some time researching the options very carefully as there are so many possibilities.
For example, you mention getting the iConnectMIDI 2 and using DIN in, but as far as I can see you won't need that extra stage if you get the A190-2. Or if you are happy to spend what those two units cost together you might consider instead a MIDI interface with a bit more future proofing built in.
For example if the Shuttle Control can do double duty as your LFO and sample & hold modulation source then that might save you an additional module elsewhere. You won't need an iConectMIDI with it either.
Another "esoteric" module that replaces a ton of different individual modules is Mutable Instruments Streams. It's one I own and swear by. It's a dual module so essentially you get two of any combination of VCA, VCFA, a couple of varietys of envelope, envelope controled VCFA, envelope follower, vactrol gate simulation and compressor (plus stereo linked versions of the same). It's not a cheap thing(a bit under £200) but it potentially replaces at least three key modules and adds more into the mix. Worth considering at least.
@bennorland
Thanks for all that. Yep I am definetly going to keep looking at options.
So say I go for the Shuttle Control + Streams + Filter + Osc, what else would I need?
Ok a revision:
Shuttle Control
Streams
A143-2 quad vclfo / vco
A138 Mixer
Wasp Filter
Links
Home made wood case
Modules powered by Shuttle Control?
I don't think the Shuttle Control will power your rack. If it does it's an astonishing module. So unless I am wrong you need a power solution in there, which is a significant cost.
I don't think you especially need the wasp filter. It's fun but you have two multi mode filters in the Korgasmatron, and a certain amount of less extreme low pass filtering in Streams too.
Don't forget patch cables! Lots.
Also remember to budget for rails. If you want a cheap solution with power and no woodwork, look here. I think this is a great deal: https://www.thonk.co.uk/shop/thonk-104hp-skiff-and-4ms-power-bundle/
Links is very useful, but you have a mixer, and you can do a lot of basic mults by just buying a few "stackable" cables. I believe you need to exercise some care and forethought when using them...
One other addition worth considering (out of stock at the moment, I think) is Expert Sleepers Disting. It's about £100, involves quite a lot of fiddly menu diving, but it does practically everything. In 4HP of space. Take a look, it's a great addition to a small system. At the current count it's packing 41 separate algorithms in there. There's talk of basic sample playback too. http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/disting.html
That's the Disting mark 3. There'll be mk2s out on the 2nd hand market, but you don't want one of those.
I have ditched Korgasmatron for now due to cost (to be replaced next year lol).
Ok so no need for links for now, cool.
Ok still need a power supply, ok will look up the cheap options.
Ok off to look at Thonk.
You will need more of a filter than just what's in Streams. Disting has some decent virtual filter algorithms in it. And as I said, the wasp filter is fun (if weird) but it might be worth ditching the Wasp and looking for a single "middleweight" filter for the system. Ripples?
Now I come to mention it, Ripples has an optional/extra VCA stage in it I think. Kind of useful thing Mutable Instruments do all the time in their units.
Ripples would be too expensive in this setup as the Shuttle has taken so much of the initial available funds.
I highly recommend looking at the TipTop Audio Happy Ending Kit for getting started. For $150 you get an 84 HP rack that can either be mounted in your own case or free standing on a table. It comes with a 4HP power module and a 1000mA power supply. The only downside is that the modules are exposed, but that's easily remedied by making your own case or buying something like the Bento Box by FoxTone music. I started with the HIK sitting on a desk, then bought another kit minus the power supply (you can easily power two rows of modules with a single supply) and mounted it in a 9U Bento Box. Then when I decided to go mobile, I bought a pair of 126HP z-rails and mounted them in the cardboard box I made from an Ikea box. Lots of options! You can see all of my module configurations I've used over the years on my YouTube site. In the Legend of Zelda video, I actually had both HIKs side-by-side resting between my controller keyboard and shelf without even being mounted at all! I recommend starting with a very minimal setup (only a few modules) and trying to get the most out of them before buying more. You'll be surprised how much you can get out of a single module (there's even a thread dedicated to this topic at MuffWiggler's forum). The Make Noise Function is a great multi-function module that I use in almost all of my patches.
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Happy Ending kit at £115 UK looks cool and then I can just stick some wood around it later
Stackable cables are only safe for splitting an output to multiple inputs. It's bad to use the stackable cable to combine outputs ("sum" them), because you are forcing the output stage of each module to fight the other one to the death. You need a real mult or mixer to sum outputs together.
good advices, I just want to throw in (or repeat) two things:
Shuttle Control can power up to 6 other modules. Perfect for a small system. When time has come to expand, you can add a 4ms Row Power, connect one socket with Shuttle Control, and power about 20 modules with one power brick or one Lithium power tank (solar). Raw Power 30/40 have two sockets, one for the power brick, the other to feed into another PSU module, in this case Shuttle Control. I haven't tested it in the real world yet, but as both PSU's have the same input (DC 12-20V) there is no doubt it will work. It only depends on the amperage of the power brick. I use one from an old laptop with 4,7A. It even has a plug that fits. Using old laptop power bricks (which you also can find on flee markets) also saves money.
there are great digital modules, many surfaced in recent years. Of course they are great, but here is where the iPad could come in. Granular synthesis? Compressor? Euclidian sequencer? Many of those things can be done with relatively cheap apps. Using rackspace and money for those things you cannot do (or not that well) with software like striking LPG's or creamy filters, FM, AM, sharp oscillators and function/logic modules. Like I said before, digital modules are often more versatile and easier to patch than interfacing with tablets or computers, and they also offer things that don't exist yet in software, but they usually are also quite expensive because they have a computer built in, AD-DA converters, etc.
Watching a video of the Disting 3 in action is the very thing that reignited my modular cravings.
I didn't realize that when looking at it. That definitely brings up the value considerably for a starter system. Particularly because you can use something like midiLFOs to generate CV LFOs with it saving the need for additional hardware.
It's very different. See the word 'poor'.
Can you point me to that thread? I couldn't find it.
@Phil999
Glad the Shuttle will power 6 modules as that covers me then. I'm just going to screw the modules to some wood lol.
No probs being in the middle of so much useful info
right now is quite an overflow of information, for us all actually. The website synthtopia.com continues with reports of new modules, cases, power supplies.
By the way, didn't we mention Lego cases earlier?
Not really cost efficient, but sometimes you can also find Lego at flee markets (rarely though).
Sure. Prepare to have your mind blown.
https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40778
Peace \/
chisel316
@Phil999 That's amazing about the Shuttle Control supplying power, and immediately saves @Fruitbat1919 a tranche of money - more to spend on a nicer filter?
I sort of agree that the iPad can do a lot of the digital duties that crazy digital modules bring to the party although the other half of what's great about modular is the the way physical patching and the ubiquity of control (and audio) voltages let you control anything with anything (almost) in the most creative ways.
Actually of the nice things about Streams is that the core filter and amp circuits are analogue, but the control is digital, which is a really neat arrangement.
@Fruitbat1919 Been thinking about you budget and wondering if the routes being suggested here may not be the best way of having the most fun in the short to medium term for you. Shuttle Control and Streams are premium modules and do a lot of jobs at once but once you've factored in cases and bits and bobs your left with pretty little for the actual oscillator and filter!
For example the Moog Mother 32 would work straight out of the box with just the addition of a iConnectMIDi 2. That would come in under 600 And interface happily with future modular purchases.
Someone also mentioned the Make Noise 0-coast to which similar arguments would apply.
I should shut up now before I muddy and he waters even further.
Lol, I already muddied my thoughts with the mother earlier on. I've even considered the Intelligel Atlantis and a case, to just add modules later.
I think which ever way I look at it, my budget for the initial spend will require compromises.
I'm still going to give myself a month or so looking and listening, then I will have to buy something or I may just end up never getting anything otherwise.
But all options are worth considering.
Final thought: I know I said I would be quiet, but thinking along similar lines to the Mother 32 and the Zero Coast, what about taking a look at the Kilpatrick Phenol? It's well within your budget and the price looks very keen when you check out the functionality. External input catered for too. Postmodular in London appear to stock it.
Downsides would be that interacting with Eurorack in the future would not be 100% straightforward and the filter isn't squelchy resonant (if that's what you want)
Never heard of it, will go and have a look
I just watched a video review on YouTube, I'm pretty impressed. The envelopes look very clever and if you are at all interested in it are worth looking into. I think it comes with it's own patch cords, so as long as you have a CCK you'd be able to start using it together with your iPad with no further outlay.
I've been watching a few vids. It looks really interesting as a starter unit. I couldn't find anywhere that confirms that the USB is class compliant.
I've got to say, it really must be considered for just over £700 UK. Good find