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I disagree: commenting here creates the social pressure for everyone to give feedback. I know, we're all grown ups, so this shouldn't be necessary, but hey!, things are not always what they should.
You'd lighten the load on us at the expense of making your life harder. I think this is neither fair nor necessary.
Okay, I have an idea: people should be encouraged to give feedback only to the genres they feel comfortable with...
BUT...
... If someone gaves feedback to your song, you should return te favor, even if their songs are not your cup of tea. Failing to do so would make your song not being reposted to SOTM Soundcloud or added to the opening post in the topic
So that should be the only "rule" everyone should stick to: if someone gaves you feedback, you must return the kindness. That would reward the people who likes to give feedback the most, because they'd be entitled to more feedback for their own songs.
And what happens if someone who didn't post a tune gives some feedback?
He/she would become automatically one of those ultracool persons who deserve all our goodwill, since he/she would having giving feedback without being part of the fun. C'mon, @mschenkel.it, is this meant to be your rebuttal of the proposed rule?
Edited for grammar
I thought that that person would be forced to submit a tune
Hi Richard, thanks for your reaction. I don't completely understand what you mean with 'stems' (I think: the voice track). But I like to try something, so - if possible - could you provide me two tracks: a track with all the instruments without the voice, and a voice only track (including reverb) ? Just as they are now, but split. (Please both exactly the same length so I don't have syncing issues.) I can then mix the voice and tweak the eq of everything, and do some other stuff. 24bit is good (best perhaps), less bit is fine too.
If two tracks is not possible, or too much work to provide that, then one is ok too.
I do have my job obligations, so it might take a while, depending on how much work it is, could be half an hour, could be much longer. But I feel motivated to give it a go, so it shouldn't take ages. Also: no garantees it improves it, cause my idea that it could sound much better might be wrong (a fantasy
). But I feel enthusiasm in me to try some things.
@Marcel "stems" just means you get a separate file for each track in the mix, in this case that would be 35 tracks. However it sounds like you would like a mix of the music with separate vocals, so I will provide that. Give me a day or two.
@richardyot - ok, fine, I understand.
It's a tricky conundrum. Maybe trial the sister thread idea for a month or two. Monitor how each thread is getting on (we can ALL see that for ourselves) & take another look & ask folk again then.
It won't stop me as a vocal (very loose term) from listening to the beautiful instrumentals on the sister thread & I'm then free to comment if I want to. Of course, on the vocal thread, normal rules apply & I would comment on ALL of the material. Likewise with the instrumentalists.
What we don't want is this Feeback issue to become a reason, and it would be a valid reason in these "zero time left to be creative" days we live in, why someone decides to leave. If this IS becoming an issue then maybe we should evolve as a thread & then that could ensure we grow & flower.
Feedback. My feedback is from the heart. By that I mean I struggle with the technical side of things but because of the help, tips, assistance.....everything really, I have kindly received on all matters playing, singing, mix, master etc, etc, even my own fiercest critic, me, can hear the difference.
For folk to give that kind of detailed feedback, they MUST have spent a good amount of their own time listening intently & then pointing me in the right direction. I hope to be able to do the same for others in the future. With the increase in tracks, therefore feedback, time etc, the QUALITY of that feedback could deteriorate resulting in loosing all the knowledge on here now & in the future.
I would like to leave "little Bluepunk" a thriving, friendly place to learn & play his craft when I head upstairs! Not long now boys.......
Unfortunately Richard, this thread has become a victim of its own success. People who produce something that they think is good enough to post on here are keen to get some kind of response to their music. Those same people aren't necessarily as keen, qualified or articulate enough to comment on other people's posts.
I have only been posting to this thread since January but I greatly appreciate the comments I have received and I hope that I have taken the constructive criticism on board and as a result I am producing better work. I will freely admit that as a 53 year old aging rocker I find it difficult to provide any sort of constructive response to some of the music posted on here but I try to listen to each one at least once and provide some sort of comment.
In my view it would be a shame to change things. I agree with the 1 song per month rule but apart from that I wouldn't change anything else.
Lovely textures. It sounds very Vangelis/Blade Runner to me - which I like. Lots of nice 'bits' in there.
I reckon that's my favourite of yours. Nice clean arrangement, mixed v well, I think the vocal sits pretty well (I've been struggling with that recently), but most importantly I just think it's a good song! I really have no complaints. Maybe the last chorus refrain could build a little more? I don't know, it all sound v good to me. Great work.
I like this one. I've never fancied Different Drummer but it's working out well for you. It's lovely and varied, reminding me of Aphex/Squarepusher/Warp stuff. I think the elephant sample is nice but (listening on my admittedly v poor audio system) I just felt the bits with it in, particularly early on, needed a bit of EQ to just separate things out a bit, felt too busy. But then what do I know, I couldn't have produced that. Great imagination, great track, well done
Well I reckon that's pretty clever stuff there Rick, and yes, the back story does help me appreciate it more. I can recognise it's more about the feel of the whole piece rather than any particular hook or melody (bear with me, I'm still learning about all this reviewing malarkey). For me it kind of complements @technemedia 's piece, just in a different style. I liked it a lot. And as someone who makes electronic music I am duty bound to say, maybe a bit more bass in the mix?
Nice and upbeat, would really suit a vocal just to break it up a bit. like the offbeat percussion, reduces the poppy factor a bit. The main hook is good but I just feel it overloads a little bit. Also I found that solo lead really piercing, until the end when distorted beautifully. Good stuff
Liked that, has a sense of humour, catchy vocal loop. Like the rhythmic changes. Do I detect Gadget in there? I appreciate it is early days. It feels a little sparse in places, a little flat in others. May need a bit of saturation or something on the beats, bit more bass in the final mix. Great start though, well done
It pulls you in doesn't it? I like it. I looked at Noatikl a while back, wasn't really sure what to make of it, but that sounds great. I'd like to hear how u use it. Took your advice and did the headphone thing and it really works well that way. Could listen to more. Nicely done
I have to say I agree with this. Yes, there is a lot of feedback to give, but it is this that makes the thread so successful. Sometimes it is detailed, sometimes not, but the fact we all know we should do the decent thing every month has created a sense of responsibility in my opinion. I think separate threads dilutes the vibe - I love all the different sounds, it's part of the threads charm. At the moment it's about community not self-promotion, and I don't mind putting in the time on the reviews in order to preserve things as they are. I'm just sorry I don't have the expertise to make more detailed suggestions. I understand not everyone agrees, no problem with that, just giving much two penneth worth (oh that last expression really dates me!)
Thanks Crouchie!
As per ongoing conversation about critiquing, and being fairly new to the forum, I do not have the background to give technical advice, and I have a fairly narrow music appreciation. I've listened to some of the music that I dislike because of wanting to understand an informed critique, but I would usually have nothing to say other than I enjoyed a song if I did, and not say anything if I didn't...
@richardyot - Kings of nothing
The tom rolls! Sound great! Sibilants on the vocal could need some dessing: they cut a bit too much through the mix and specially through the vocal reverb making a bit unclear were the vocals are actually sitting in the mix, maybe some more dry signal, bringing vocals a bit more upfront where the guitar arpeggio sits, which sits just in the right place giving a good balance with pushed back sounds(pads and drums but for toms and tambourine and voice)and upfront(guitar and toms and tambourine). You can't have a foreground without background and viceversa. Isn't it?:)
@rickwaugh - fracture
The winds on the left overpower a bit too much the strings on the right; while the frequency range of the winds is supported by the pad and later on by the guitars. The snare Shouldn't be that far away. It really should be THE fracture: some parallel gating bringing up the attack, the crack, will do marvels. I really would like to be able to use odd signatures like you. The bass' dynamics need some attention here and there.
@Igneous1 - return to life
I heard it was coming toward the end. This just teases me. Don't worry if it's going to be a 15 minutes track if it's worth, it might be a huge gong at 10', don't be shy.
Ok. This is the intro; where is the tune?
@grizzlegritz - ot them uglies
Don't pan the bass/bass drum. Just don't, please. But it was a good laugh. Keep rocking it.
@TGiG
Which year are we? '97?
Gotta say that the lead made my ears bleed.
Already ended? What! Where is the 808?
Bottom line: great job guys! But for those soooooo tiny things(and they are really tiny) had one of the best hours spent on the forum.
Tx, @mschenkel.it. I'll have to try the parallel gating - something I have not touched before. Yes, love the oddball time signatures. That one just spoke to me, the minute I started to play the opening riff.
That mix between the violin and flute drove me nuts. I'm also realizing from a few comments that the combo of guitar, flute and violin was perhaps not the best mix sonically.
@crouchie, I'm getting the impression I need more bass in the mix.
It's funny, I've been very careful, as I find it's too easy for me to make a boomy mix. I used a pick this time, to more punch, and to even out the dynamics between the E and G. I shall take this under advisement for the next track.
About the pick: to my ears(and my faith in fingered bass) in this tune of yours, specially the first 2 or 3 times I listened to it I thought a fingered bass with some more push in the low end(Ibanez sound thing)rather in the mid/high could keep the bass still upfront but not out of the mix(which I kind think of it right now)
All heartfelt and sincere suggestions as the future structure of SOTMC.
There is an old thought that says if you design a racehorse by committee you get a camel, so I will just add that whatever our Benign Despot Mister Yot decides on is fine with me.
@mschenkel.it said "Don't pan the bass/bass drum. Just don't please."
God, does that make me feel stupid or what? ;-)
Yay!
@grizzlegritz
Nope. It just makes me feel sick. I have some issues with hard pannings: if they are in the upper range I still don't like em that much but the lower it goes the more uncomfortable I feel, for real.
I think for now I'll leave the format as it is, but with a strict limit of one song per month per person.
I'm in agreement with that.
I've mentioned it here before but I find it strange when I've given feedback on the whole month's entries and there is very little response to the feedback. On one had, maybe there isn't any need and the artist chooses to ignore what I've said or doesn't feel the need to respond. Either way, it can feels like it has gone into the ether.
I've been a bit slack of late with the feedback and this is one of the reasons for this. To listen to all the tracks and to try to give a (hopefully) useful response to them is (as has been said already) somewhat time consuming.