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Jam Maestro update adds Link and automation + sale!

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  • @Tones4Christ said:
    I would. Like a strumming generator with ability to randomize the strums.

    tbh I think this is more a separate app. One I have been toying with in my mind but dunno if I'll ever make it... :wink:

  • If ready insta buy!
    Specially if it can do different styles and one can randomize them also. I never ever get a chance to hook up my acoustic or electric so on the road having realistic strumming tracks would rock!

  • Just got JM
    Wow!!! Love it!!!

  • Ran JM thru Tonestack my my.....
    Just scratched the surface of this awesome app.

  • @JamMaestro said:

    @Jocphone said:

    @syrupcore said:
    I'd love to see a mode where you can enter tab notes via step entry (as is now) that would auto advance to the next step (where the user can set the step size). I was doing a lot of arpeggios in the app and auto-advance would have cut the tapping by 2/3 (note, right, right). Or an arp mode. :)

    This using strum mode would be superb.

    You know there is a 'sweep' fret release mode right? That kind of does this, but more for playing live...

    Still learning @JamMaestro. There is so much packed into this app that it's going to take some time.
    Is sweep mode for doing something similar to widely metal guitar solos? I was talking about each strum triggering a new step so that you could strum out a rhythm guitar part. Does that make sense?

  • I like the strumming=move to next step idea. Seems very natural. For doing arpeggios with lots of notes though, that'd still be two presses per note. First world problems for sure but here's what I was thinking.

    The 'current' position would advance by one N on fretboard touchend. So for doing arps, it would be tap fret, tap fret, tap fret, tap fret to fill four Ns (bars, 1/8 notes, whatevs). To capture chords, you would be able to add notes as long as the first one was held down. In that way, JM would still listen for 'touchend' before incrementing the current position but it wouldn't move until the last touch was accounted for. so to speak.

    Think, in practice, that would basically work like the strumming idea—instead of moving forward when you strummed, it would move forward when you lifted your left hand (which you'd probably be doing between strums).

  • @syrupcore said:
    I like the strumming=move to next step idea. Seems very natural. For doing arpeggios with lots of notes though, that'd still be two presses per note. First world problems for sure but here's what I was thinking.

    The 'current' position would advance by one N on fretboard touchend. So for doing arps, it would be tap fret, tap fret, tap fret, tap fret to fill four Ns (bars, 1/8 notes, whatevs). To capture chords, you would be able to add notes as long as the first one was held down. In that way, JM would still listen for 'touchend' before incrementing the current position but it wouldn't move until the last touch was accounted for. so to speak.

    Think, in practice, that would basically work like the strumming idea—instead of moving forward when you strummed, it would move forward when you lifted your left hand (which you'd probably be doing between strums).

    I haven't checked it out yet but does this relate to the 'sweep' mode that @JamMaestro mentioned?

  • edited April 2016

    Also @JamMaestro, while you are here.. Could you add feint vertical lines for beats in the Tab view, when you next do an update? Would just make it that little bit easier to place a note.

    Also, is there a way to delete a track or change it's instrument?

  • I do think a more full on auto-picking/arpeggio module would be a super sweet addition to Jam Maestro. Something where you'd purchase a set of picking patterns via IAP (10? 30?) and could then hold your fingers down (or pick a chord) and have the app apply one of the patterns to those notes. In time with the clock based on a user selected note value (1/1, 1/2, 1/3,...1/32). With the option of capturing that to tab, natch. ; ) And perhaps a choice between 'held notes only' and 'extrapolate to six string voicing'.

    Hmm, being able to pick a chord and then have JM apply different guitar voicings to it would be money (e.g. hold an Em and select between the umpteen different ways Jam Maestro knows how to voice that chord on a guitar). If you could change them in real time while the arpeggio is running... zomg.

    iOS is full of great arpeggiators and I'm not suggesting JM add itself to that pile. But all of the arps are synth focussed. JM would be able to do similar things but based on guitar voicing (along with more traditional picking patterns). Great for making guitar tab and experimenting with guitar-based songwriting but you could also point it at Nave or whatever. Muhahaha.

  • Also, also @JamMaestro the built-in help is great but I suffered from an overloaded brain and wondered whether I missed the bit on setting how loud each note sounds?

  • @Jocphone said:
    Also @JamMaestro, while you are here.. Could you add feint vertical lines for beats in the Tab view, when you next do an update? Would just make it that little bit easier to place a note.

    Also, is there a way to delete a track or change it's instrument?

    You can change the instrument on the home screen by tapping edit in the lower right of the instrument icon. Think you can delete the track there as well.

  • @Jocphone said:
    I haven't checked it out yet but does this relate to the 'sweep' mode that @JamMaestro mentioned?

    I dunno. I haven't actually tried that. Maybe that's like an ARP already? iPad is dead atm so I can't try it out.

  • @syrupcore said:

    @Jocphone said:
    Also @JamMaestro, while you are here.. Could you add feint vertical lines for beats in the Tab view, when you next do an update? Would just make it that little bit easier to place a note.

    Also, is there a way to delete a track or change it's instrument?

    You can change the instrument on the home screen by tapping edit in the lower right of the instrument icon. Think you can delete the track there as well.

    Ah yes, was just me being fat-fingered on the iPhone. Thx @syrupcore !

  • @Tones4Christ said:
    It didn't work with JM lite. Even though I enabled to listen to midi. I'm not using a midi controller only Navichord with the midi out sending to JM.

    @JamMaestro said:

    @Tones4Christ said:
    Can i contol it with Navichord?

    Haven't tried Navichord but I don't see why not. I just downloaded Navichord Lite and see that the full supports IAA and midi out, so either should work fine with JM.

    Yes, you can use NaviChord as input to JamMaestro. Took me a while to find the MIDI input enable for an instrument (Scroll down on instrument page). I know this is late @Tones4Christ, as you already pushed the button, but I was curious why I couldn't get it to work at first.

  • edited April 2016

    Tried sweep mode. It basically turns any other ringing notes off whenever a new note starts. Has to do with playing the fret board, not capturing tab (as far as I can tell).

  • My my, lots to reply to. Thankfully @syrupcore already answered a few for me :)

    In terms of this 'step/arp mode' - this is something I can probably do. However need to work out the exact logistics of how it works first. Also, I am fast running out of button space in the tab screen!

    @syrupcore said:
    I like the strumming=move to next step idea. Seems very natural. For doing arpeggios with lots of notes though, that'd still be two presses per note. First world problems for sure but here's what I was thinking.

    The 'current' position would advance by one N on fretboard touchend. So for doing arps, it would be tap fret, tap fret, tap fret, tap fret to fill four Ns (bars, 1/8 notes, whatevs). To capture chords, you would be able to add notes as long as the first one was held down. In that way, JM would still listen for 'touchend' before incrementing the current position but it wouldn't move until the last touch was accounted for. so to speak.

    Think, in practice, that would basically work like the strumming idea—instead of moving forward when you strummed, it would move forward when you lifted your left hand (which you'd probably be doing between strums).

    syrupcore already mentioned some problems, like if you want both arp and strum mode you cant touch multiple notes without it moving along to the next 8th note. The idea of not moving to the next step until first fret release could work... but I mean, is this really better than the current solution? Holding down the first note whilst you touch the other notes sounds a bit fiddly, especially when you can just tap the first note and tap your other notes (which you're going to have to do anyway) and then tap the arrow <> buttons after and specify the exact amount of time between chords that you want? I thought the whole idea is that you want to just be able to strum a chord and move on? However this poses another problem, you cant hold chords in the tab mode like you can in the play screen. So how are you going to finger your chord? If you're going to just touch all the frets and strum, well thats exactly how it works right now anyway. You could just have this arp mode and if someone wanted to do chords they could turn on that chord bar and just use those preset chords and automatically move along after each touched chord... doesn't really offer that much versatility though? One other idea is if you could switch the mode of the fretboard in the tab screen between normal, arp, and strum mode, where strum mode only input notes when the string has been rung out on the strum layer on the right. This way you could finger the frets in your chord as you would in the play screen. I worry this might just confuse the average user though if they accidentally switch modes without realising.

    @syrupcore said:
    I do think a more full on auto-picking/arpeggio module would be a super sweet addition to Jam Maestro. Something where you'd purchase a set of picking patterns via IAP (10? 30?) and could then hold your fingers down (or pick a chord) and have the app apply one of the patterns to those notes. In time with the clock based on a user selected note value (1/1, 1/2, 1/3,...1/32). With the option of capturing that to tab, natch. ; ) And perhaps a choice between 'held notes only' and 'extrapolate to six string voicing'.

    Hmm, being able to pick a chord and then have JM apply different guitar voicings to it would be money (e.g. hold an Em and select between the umpteen different ways Jam Maestro knows how to voice that chord on a guitar). If you could change them in real time while the arpeggio is running... zomg.

    iOS is full of great arpeggiators and I'm not suggesting JM add itself to that pile. But all of the arps are synth focussed. JM would be able to do similar things but based on guitar voicing (along with more traditional picking patterns). Great for making guitar tab and experimenting with guitar-based songwriting but you could also point it at Nave or whatever. Muhahaha.

    This is more in line with the separate app idea I mentioned. I was thinking something like a cross between Sessionband where you could specify chord progressions (and different voicings for each chord) and strumming/picking types that are invoking it (similar to Echo Guitar). You could then have a button that said 'Open in Jam Maestro' and it would just convert it to tab and import it straight into your Jam Maestro song. That way someone who's more interested in just working out chord progressions and picking patterns can get the benefit of it without having to purchase JM. It would still use the same samples and stuff though so I wonder how many people would actually be interested in this. But anyway, right now JM is so full of features I think its actually at the point where it intimidates people and people just forget what it can do and use a dedicated app for feature X instead. Like for instance, how many people have ever created their own drum kit? Don't think I've heard of a single person ever doing it to be honest, despite often seeing people complaining they can't do this in DrumAppX.

    @Jocphone said:

    @Tones4Christ said:
    It didn't work with JM lite. Even though I enabled to listen to midi. I'm not using a midi controller only Navichord with the midi out sending to JM.

    @JamMaestro said:

    @Tones4Christ said:
    Can i contol it with Navichord?

    Haven't tried Navichord but I don't see why not. I just downloaded Navichord Lite and see that the full supports IAA and midi out, so either should work fine with JM.

    Yes, you can use NaviChord as input to JamMaestro. Took me a while to find the MIDI input enable for an instrument (Scroll down on instrument page). I know this is late @Tones4Christ, as you already pushed the button, but I was curious why I couldn't get it to work at first.

    You can do it this way, but specifying midi inputs for each individual instrument is more for when you have a midi sequencer and want to target specific instruments. If you just want to play Jam Maestro from a dedicated midi controller than you're better off going to Options, Midi, and Enable dedicated midi controller. If your controller is hardware too you'll probably want to turn listen for global midi messages on.

    @Jocphone said:
    Also, also @JamMaestro the built-in help is great but I suffered from an overloaded brain and wondered whether I missed the bit on setting how loud each note sounds?

    There is no velocity control in Jam Maestro per se (yet, maybe one day now that I have the new automation screen this could be extended to cover this). However you can obviously control the sound of the instrument via the mixer screen (top right button in the tab screen). If you wanted to control the sound of individual notes you could also go to the Automation screen, select 'Instrument Volume' as the automation type, and then adjust the sound of the instrument at the various points in the track that you want. Does that help? Bare in mind this isn't exactly velocity as velocity would specify a sound volume at the time when the instrument strikes that chord and maintain that volume until its rung out, where as modifying the volume in the manner I just described could adjust the volume of the chord after it was struck (not exactly possible in real life unless you're using an amp!).

    @Tones4Christ said:
    Ran JM thru Tonestack my my.....
    Just scratched the surface of this awesome app.

    Which soundpack are you using, Bright clean?

    @Tones4Christ said:
    If ready insta buy!
    Specially if it can do different styles and one can randomize them also. I never ever get a chance to hook up my acoustic or electric so on the road having realistic strumming tracks would rock!

    Never going to get truly realistic strumming, at least as far as electric guitar is concerned, until I learn to amp samples myself. Right now all the samples are recorded wet and so each string is mixed together after having the amping applied to each one separately. This is different from a real guitar where the signal from the guitar will be of all strings combined and then amped with their sound already mixed together. This is why Guitarism sounds so good at strumming on the electric as Rhism has saved the dry samples and is amping them using Jonathan Liljedahl's amping/stomp box modules. I would love to learn how to do this but honestly have no idea where to begin! Mixing on acoustic is generally better though as obviously no amping involved, which is probably what I would use anyway.

    @Jocphone said:
    Also @JamMaestro, while you are here.. Could you add feint vertical lines for beats in the Tab view, when you next do an update? Would just make it that little bit easier to place a note.

    Yeah... been meaning to this for ages, I thought maybe dots above the tab, or maybe lightly shaded note strips. Implementing this is actually more miserable than you might think though which is why I have been reluctant to do this so far.

  • @JamMaestro said:

    @Jocphone said:
    Yes, you can use NaviChord as input to JamMaestro. Took me a while to find the MIDI input enable for an instrument (Scroll down on instrument page). I know this is late @Tones4Christ, as you already pushed the button, but I was curious why I couldn't get it to work at first.

    You can do it this way, but specifying midi inputs for each individual instrument is more for when you have a midi sequencer and want to target specific instruments. If you just want to play Jam Maestro from a dedicated midi controller than you're better off going to Options, Midi, and Enable dedicated midi controller. If your controller is hardware too you'll probably want to turn listen for global midi messages on.

    I couldn't get it to work your way though :hushed: not sure why

  • @JamMaestro said:

    @Jocphone said:
    Also, also @JamMaestro the built-in help is great but I suffered from an overloaded brain and wondered whether I missed the bit on setting how loud each note sounds?

    There is no velocity control in Jam Maestro per se (yet, maybe one day now that I have the new automation screen this could be extended to cover this). However you can obviously control the sound of the instrument via the mixer screen (top right button in the tab screen). If you wanted to control the sound of individual notes you could also go to the Automation screen, select 'Instrument Volume' as the automation type, and then adjust the sound of the instrument at the various points in the track that you want. Does that help? Bare in mind this isn't exactly velocity as velocity would specify a sound volume at the time when the instrument strikes that chord and maintain that volume until its rung out, where as modifying the volume in the manner I just described could adjust the volume of the chord after it was struck (not exactly possible in real life unless you're using an amp!).

    As I'm sure you're aware, velocity can be used to trigger all sorts of effects in an external synth so it would be good to have this at some point, maybe?

  • @Jocphone really? So nothing responds when you do enable dedicated midi controller? Did you have the instrument you wanted to play selected yeah?

    You can already set the velocity for the external synths btw, you just can't moderate it per note. Just load a midi instrument, and in the play screen hit the midi button and adjust the velocity there.

  • @JamMaestro said:
    @Jocphone really? So nothing responds when you do enable dedicated midi controller? Did you have the instrument you wanted to play selected yeah?

    You can already set the velocity for the external synths btw, you just can't moderate it per note. Just load a midi instrument, and in the play screen hit the midi button and adjust the velocity there.

    Well I don't have it with me, but I tried a few of the different general MIDI settings with NaviChord and nothing came through until I enabled it for an instrument.

  • @Jocphone said:

    @JamMaestro said:
    @Jocphone really? So nothing responds when you do enable dedicated midi controller? Did you have the instrument you wanted to play selected yeah?

    You can already set the velocity for the external synths btw, you just can't moderate it per note. Just load a midi instrument, and in the play screen hit the midi button and adjust the velocity there.

    Well I don't have it with me, but I tried a few of the different general MIDI settings with NaviChord and nothing came through until I enabled it for an instrument.

    When you get a chance try enabling the dedicated midi controller it in the midi options and then selecting an instrument and then try. Should work.

  • @JamMaestro said:

    @Jocphone said:

    @JamMaestro said:
    @Jocphone really? So nothing responds when you do enable dedicated midi controller? Did you have the instrument you wanted to play selected yeah?

    You can already set the velocity for the external synths btw, you just can't moderate it per note. Just load a midi instrument, and in the play screen hit the midi button and adjust the velocity there.

    Well I don't have it with me, but I tried a few of the different general MIDI settings with NaviChord and nothing came through until I enabled it for an instrument.

    When you get a chance try enabling the dedicated midi controller it in the midi options and then selecting an instrument and then try. Should work.

    Ok, tried it again and it works. Not sure where I went wrong last time :blush:

    On another tack. Have you thought about organising songs by section (verse, chorus, middle 8, fade to end, etc..)? Is songwriting the main focus here or more towards making backing tracks?

  • songwriting is really the main focus. Didn't want it to be an app where you put things together into sections like that though as that stops you doing variations in drums etc if you have set patterns.

  • @JamMaestro said:
    songwriting is really the main focus. Didn't want it to be an app where you put things together into sections like that though as that stops you doing variations in drums etc if you have set patterns.

    Yeah I can understand that. Even with chords it's nice to put in little variations to change the mood of similar passages I guess.

  • Are there plans to perhaps add maybe two more layers to the drum samples? Like in Drumperfect Pro, if you hit the drum softly you get a softer sound and middle hard and then hardest. Right now all the hits are at the same level. Maybe someday?

    @JamMaestro said:

    songwriting is really the main focus. Didn't want it to be an app where you put things together into sections like that though as that stops you doing variations in drums etc if you have set patterns.

  • I'm still learning how to use the app. I know zip zero about notation, so real time recording is what works for me. That's why having premade drum patterns help me a lot cause as a guitar player, drums have always been the hardest to program to get anything sounding realistic or at least cohesive. I bought this app because I love guitar most and foremost, I've yet to see how it will help me make complete songs. Although I'm super enthusiastic of the prospect.

    @JamMaestro said:
    songwriting is really the main focus. Didn't want it to be an app where you put things together into sections like that though as that stops you doing variations in drums etc if you have set patterns.

  • @Tones4Christ said:
    I'm still learning how to use the app. I know zip zero about notation, so real time recording is what works for me. That's why having premade drum patterns help me a lot cause as a guitar player, drums have always been the hardest to program to get anything sounding realistic or at least cohesive. I bought this app because I love guitar most and foremost, I've yet to see how it will help me make complete songs. Although I'm super enthusiastic of the prospect.

    You don't have to program drums in JamMaestro now that it has Link.

  • @Tones4Christ said:

    Are there plans to perhaps add maybe two more layers to the drum samples? Like in Drumperfect Pro, if you hit the drum softly you get a softer sound and middle hard and then hardest. Right now all the hits are at the same level. Maybe someday?

    Don't really have the luxury of doing this as I didn't record the drum samples myself, I found them free on the internet. So if I make it velocity sensitive it will likely only be based on volume modulation only!

  • @Tones4Christ said:
    I bought this app because I love guitar most and foremost, I've yet to see how it will help me make complete songs. Although I'm super enthusiastic of the prospect.

    The capabilities are all there - just needs your creative input :smiley:

  • @JamMaestro Thanks for the thoughtful reply. Yeah, entering chords in ‘auto step’ mode would be a total bear and probably not worth implementing. Honestly, that was me trying to cover enter chords but the auto-step mode thing is really about speeding up entering arpeggios or things like hi-hats. And apologies for trying to be clever and mashing up Jocophone’s strum-and-go idea with that chord entering hack. They’re really two very different use cases for auto-step.

    One other idea is if you could switch the mode of the fretboard in the tab screen between normal, arp, and strum mode, where strum mode only input notes when the string has been rung out on the strum layer on the right. This way you could finger the frets in your chord as you would in the play screen. I worry this might just confuse the average user though if they accidentally switch modes without realising.

    I like where that’s heading!

    As far as tab space, something like pressing Left+Right at the same time could work to turn it on. Or a little button between them. Long press on either to set the step time? Or the sidebar.

    Speaking of tab space and the sidebar… what do you and your admirers think of putting the AB panel on the left? :)

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