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Modstep triggering elastic drums - Help not working

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  • edited December 2016

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @Littlewoodg said:
    @AndyPlankton
    It's weird, the only difference between our screen shots is that you have midi note and midi clock set as "Modstep" and I have it set as ED. If I set mine to Modstep, no joy. ??

    @Korakios weird again, ED has had a IAA panel since way back, its button is visible in @AndyPlankton last screen shot, you tap the white "IAA" in the upper right in the transport panel to switch between the host (Modstep) icon and its transport functions, and EDs tool/settings icon

    I cannot get any response if I use elasticdrums as the midi, only when using modstep as midi in both apps.

    So weird

    Is it the same if you have a midi channel in selected in ED? (In your screenshot you have ED set for Omni in)

    The only other difference I noticed in our set up is in Modstep I have ED selected in the settings page as a midi source (in the sources boxes)....that may be the thing, ima try your way. I usually don't touch those boxes and leave them as whatever modstep defaults to.

  • @Littlewoodg said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @Littlewoodg said:
    @AndyPlankton
    It's weird, the only difference between our screen shots is that you have midi note and midi clock set as "Modstep" and I have it set as ED. If I set mine to Modstep, no joy. ??

    @Korakios weird again, ED has had a IAA panel since way back, its button is visible in @AndyPlankton last screen shot, you tap the white "IAA" in the upper right in the transport panel to switch between the host (Modstep) icon and its transport functions, and EDs tool/settings icon

    I cannot get any response if I use elasticdrums as the midi, only when using modstep as midi in both apps.

    So weird

    Is it the same if you have a midi channel in selected in ED? (In your screenshot you have ED set for Omni in)

    The only other difference I noticed in our set up is in Modstep I have ED selected in the settings page as a midi source (in the sources boxes)....that may be the thing, ima try your way. I usually don't touch those boxes and leave them as whatever modstep defaults to.

    I'm not sending midi from ed to modstep so I turned them off, just to prevent any possible issues.
    Yes it is the same if I select a midi channel, it works as expected, have to send from modstep on whichever channel is selected in ed.

  • edited December 2016

    Ok, I just got notified of new update for ed, released on 18 Dec....installed it and now I see the behaviour that @monzo is describing, seems that update has changed something.

    Nope, I was wrong working again now after restarting both apps, the control movement I was seeing was due to automation recorded in ed

  • @AndyPlankton said:

    @Littlewoodg said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @Littlewoodg said:
    @AndyPlankton
    It's weird, the only difference between our screen shots is that you have midi note and midi clock set as "Modstep" and I have it set as ED. If I set mine to Modstep, no joy. ??

    @Korakios weird again, ED has had a IAA panel since way back, its button is visible in @AndyPlankton last screen shot, you tap the white "IAA" in the upper right in the transport panel to switch between the host (Modstep) icon and its transport functions, and EDs tool/settings icon

    I cannot get any response if I use elasticdrums as the midi, only when using modstep as midi in both apps.

    So weird

    Is it the same if you have a midi channel in selected in ED? (In your screenshot you have ED set for Omni in)

    The only other difference I noticed in our set up is in Modstep I have ED selected in the settings page as a midi source (in the sources boxes)....that may be the thing, ima try your way. I usually don't touch those boxes and leave them as whatever modstep defaults to.

    I'm not sending midi from ed to modstep so I turned them off, just to prevent any possible issues.
    Yes it is the same if I select a midi channel, it works as expected, have to send from modstep on whichever channel is selected in ed.

    Yep, de-selected ED as a source in Modstep and set Modstep as a source in ED, works just fine.

    Here's one for you: deselect ED altogether in the midi boxes in Modstep (not a source or destination of any type), and set "no port/IAA midi" for note and clock in ED. This also works nicely... I think that midi routing as such is actually taken care of by IAA altogether, though the other routings seem to work as well.


  • @Littlewoodg said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @Littlewoodg said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @Littlewoodg said:
    @AndyPlankton
    It's weird, the only difference between our screen shots is that you have midi note and midi clock set as "Modstep" and I have it set as ED. If I set mine to Modstep, no joy. ??

    @Korakios weird again, ED has had a IAA panel since way back, its button is visible in @AndyPlankton last screen shot, you tap the white "IAA" in the upper right in the transport panel to switch between the host (Modstep) icon and its transport functions, and EDs tool/settings icon

    I cannot get any response if I use elasticdrums as the midi, only when using modstep as midi in both apps.

    So weird

    Is it the same if you have a midi channel in selected in ED? (In your screenshot you have ED set for Omni in)

    The only other difference I noticed in our set up is in Modstep I have ED selected in the settings page as a midi source (in the sources boxes)....that may be the thing, ima try your way. I usually don't touch those boxes and leave them as whatever modstep defaults to.

    I'm not sending midi from ed to modstep so I turned them off, just to prevent any possible issues.
    Yes it is the same if I select a midi channel, it works as expected, have to send from modstep on whichever channel is selected in ed.

    Yep, de-selected ED as a source in Modstep and set Modstep as a source in ED, works just fine.

    Here's one for you: deselect ED altogether in the midi boxes in Modstep (not a source or destination of any type), and set "no port/IAA midi" for note and clock in ED. This also works nicely... I think that midi routing as such is actually taken care of by IAA altogether, though the other routings seem to work as well.


    Yes..for sure when loaded as an IAA it should be using IAA for midi and not anything else.

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @Dchild said:
    Ruismaker drum apps work the best in modstep. And they sound great!

    Yeah, they're on my Xmas list :)

    They are working not so great. You can not Save your own presets and They not Save the state in project. So you are allowed to use only factory presets

  • I just tried it with latest version of ED and I'm getting same behavior as MonzoPro. Are you using latest version of ED, @Littlewoodg?

  • @AndyPlankton said:

    @Littlewoodg said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @Littlewoodg said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @Littlewoodg said:
    @AndyPlankton
    It's weird, the only difference between our screen shots is that you have midi note and midi clock set as "Modstep" and I have it set as ED. If I set mine to Modstep, no joy. ??

    @Korakios weird again, ED has had a IAA panel since way back, its button is visible in @AndyPlankton last screen shot, you tap the white "IAA" in the upper right in the transport panel to switch between the host (Modstep) icon and its transport functions, and EDs tool/settings icon

    I cannot get any response if I use elasticdrums as the midi, only when using modstep as midi in both apps.

    So weird

    Is it the same if you have a midi channel in selected in ED? (In your screenshot you have ED set for Omni in)

    The only other difference I noticed in our set up is in Modstep I have ED selected in the settings page as a midi source (in the sources boxes)....that may be the thing, ima try your way. I usually don't touch those boxes and leave them as whatever modstep defaults to.

    I'm not sending midi from ed to modstep so I turned them off, just to prevent any possible issues.
    Yes it is the same if I select a midi channel, it works as expected, have to send from modstep on whichever channel is selected in ed.

    Yep, de-selected ED as a source in Modstep and set Modstep as a source in ED, works just fine.

    Here's one for you: deselect ED altogether in the midi boxes in Modstep (not a source or destination of any type), and set "no port/IAA midi" for note and clock in ED. This also works nicely... I think that midi routing as such is actually taken care of by IAA altogether, though the other routings seem to work as well.


    Yes..for sure when loaded as an IAA it should be using IAA for midi and not anything else.

    Just had a thought about something I should let you in on...when I am using IAA's that allow it i send midi to them via their virtual ports instead of IAA....this means if/when I want to host it in AUM or Cubasis the midi routing in Modstep is already set up. And I can switch host back and forth quite easily.....do the same with AUv3 if they allow it.

  • edited December 2016

    @lukesleepwalker said:
    I just tried it with latest version of ED and I'm getting same behavior as MonzoPro. Are you using latest version of ED, @Littlewoodg?

    I am indeed, in fact I deleted and redownloaded the app, just to be sure I wasn't testing with the beta. My set up is as shown in the two screen shots to @AndyPlankton: using IAA, using C1-F-1 for note data, chromatic scale, Air 2, iOS 10.2...its running in the bg as I write this. The switch in ED for "same controller for all instruments" can be on or off from what I'm testing, no difference.

    One thing to note, the dials seem to jump as the sequence plays because the instrument displayed in ED as a sequence plays changes with the note triggered in Modstep. In other words when C1 is hit by Modsteps sequencer, ED displays the C1 dial settings instantly then changes instantly when E1 is triggered and shows the E1 instruments settings and back and forth...

    EDIT: weirdly now the display isn't jumping between drums, which is better for tweaking automations....

  • @Littlewoodg said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:
    I just tried it with latest version of ED and I'm getting same behavior as MonzoPro. Are you using latest version of ED, @Littlewoodg?

    I am indeed, in fact I deleted and redownloaded the app, just to be sure I wasn't testing with the beta. My set up is as shown in the two screen shots to @AndyPlankton: using IAA, using C1-F-1 for note data, chromatic scale, Air 2, iOS 10.2...its running in the bg as I write this.

    Yes. After I restarted the apps and checked the midi routing it all worked fine again, not sure what happened with the update, perhaps it reset some midi routing, I wasn't paying enough attention to remember if I had to change anything back to what the screenshots show.

    One thought, is ed remembering some sort of midi learn ? It is a clean install for me with little or no messing, just the midi routing for modstep.

  • Gremlins - fresh reinstall mysteriously sorts out so many things.

  • edited December 2016

    @Littlewoodg said:
    ......................
    @Korakios weird again, ED has had a IAA panel since way back, its button is visible in @AndyPlankton last screen shot, you tap the white "IAA" in the upper right in the transport panel to switch between the host (Modstep) icon and its transport functions, and EDs tool/settings icon

    Forgot Link enabled. Must be disabled ,to see IAA panel. Thanks :)

  • The issue must be ED on my end because I can't get C1 to trigger a sample when I load ED as IAA in AUM.

  • @Littlewoodg said:
    Gremlins - fresh reinstall mysteriously sorts out so many things.

    @Littlewoodg said:
    Gremlins - fresh reinstall mysteriously sorts out so many things.

    Does it fix the ModStep triggering issue?

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @Littlewoodg said:
    Gremlins - fresh reinstall mysteriously sorts out so many things.

    @Littlewoodg said:
    Gremlins - fresh reinstall mysteriously sorts out so many things.

    Does it fix the ModStep triggering issue?

    @lukesleepwalker said:
    The issue must be ED on my end because I can't get C1 to trigger a sample when I load ED as IAA in AUM.

    Fresh reinstall made ED display stop flipping between drums as they triggered, ED display went back to staying on selected drum so I could program automation on the fly...the actual triggering of notes by Modstep was already working. Mind you this was a fresh reinstall of ED. You may want to try fresh reinstall of Modstep, it may be retaining cc programming somehow.

    @lukesleepwalker - in my tests and the screenshots I'm using ED as IAA in Modstep directly, no AUM involved.

  • @foxal said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @Dchild said:
    Ruismaker drum apps work the best in modstep. And they sound great!

    Yeah, they're on my Xmas list :)

    They are working not so great. You can not Save your own presets and They not Save the state in project. So you are allowed to use only factory presets

    That's not, good, I'll wait until that's fixed then.

  • I just got two samples triggering right around C2. The rest still don't play. This is why I give up on Modstep. Too much fiddling, not enough music making.

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @foxal said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @Dchild said:
    Ruismaker drum apps work the best in modstep. And they sound great!

    Yeah, they're on my Xmas list :)

    They are working not so great. You can not Save your own presets and They not Save the state in project. So you are allowed to use only factory presets

    That's not, good, I'll wait until that's fixed then.

    Sorry, state saving works

  • @lukesleepwalker said:
    I just got two samples triggering right around C2. The rest still don't play. This is why I give up on Modstep. Too much fiddling, not enough music making.

    I think it's Elastic Drums.

  • @cian said:
    I think it's Elastic Drums.

    I think so too and not fair to blame Modstep therefore. But it is often the case that I run into this sort of thing when working with Modstep at the center of a workflow.

  • I find anything involving midi on iOS like this.

  • Yes, here's hoping AB3 helps!

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