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Apple going down - it's time to think of the future

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  • Why is everyone so obsessed with "investing" in hardware? They're not collectors items, they're tools. Their real worth should be measured by the joy and practicality they give you. The only reason vintage hardware has shot up in price is due to the collector mentality. It's a fad. 10 years ago you couldn't get anything on the 2nd hand market for, say, an Akai S900....who knows what will happen in another 10 years. It is not a certainty.

    This is why you see endless YouTube videos of people with plenty of disposable income fiddling with their prize 303s, 909s, 808s, etc, without having the first clue about how to make them sing.

  • @Korakios said:
    Apple seems to forget the tiny music and art designing market that kept the company alive on hard times. (Before i-devices came)
    If they re-focus to that market soon ,meaning no more incompatible forced updates ,stable OS, meaningful hardware updates ,they will gain that small but stable incoming profit again.

    Yes, I'm sure they'd rather have that than the $10.15 billion net profit they've still made in Q2. What a baffling post.

  • well i don't know how long it takes you guys to learn a new instrument, but i need several years. and even if i can run an app still after 6 years that's fine but i would love to be able to run it after 15 years, too... and if possible on whatever is the hardware of the day then

  • @MrNezumi said:
    I don't think they abandoned the iPod. They still make them and most of the newer models include a phone with them.

    Indeed!

  • The future is Android. If only for its late n see. er....wait never mind.

  • edited April 2016

    It's nothing. Just a natural cycle.

    There are many out there (like myself) who are using near-legacy gear because they don't really have a compelling reason to upgrade. My laptop is a 2012 model, but with max'd RAM and a fast SSD upgrade... it still does everything I need it to. It also still runs the latest OSX and all of my software.

    Same goes for my iPhone. I'm still using an iPhone 5 because I don't want a large screen... I like one-handed use and smaller, more pocketable form factor... and it still runs all my apps and the latest iOS.

    My iPad Air 2 still has plenty of life in it too.

    But, what's going to happen is that after another major iOS/OSX upgrade or two, my gear will no longer be supported and virtually obsolete. One could argue that this is intentional soft-ware based planned obsolescence, which it likely is and I believe there's been proven evidence to that in the last couple of years.

    Point being, this is just a temporary plateau. I think there a many users out there just like me, who's gear still runs fine and they don't have to upgrade quite yet. But, that will change and there will be a big spike in sales when all of us are forced to upgrade.

    Just a temporary, natural product cycle plateau.

  • edited April 2016

    @fauxen said:

    @lala said:
    Seriously lol

    If southpole76 wants out and prefers to invest in older hardware synths, good luck.

    Huh? I'm laughing about the stock market.
    It's totally absurd and hasn't much to do with reality.

    if you don't make more than last year your dead, lol
    If you make the same cash as last year your dead
    If Apple makes a few million less this year they are dead,

    HAHAHA
    What a milkmaid calculation. Rofl
    tldr Never listen to stock & tec analysts, they know nothing.

  • Seriously when you get to a certain age, you worry more about body parts still working in ten years than you do about apps :p

  • I want some of that stuff south is smoking!

  • @skiphunt said:
    It's nothing. Just a natural cycle.

    There are many out there (like myself) who are using near-legacy gear because they don't really have a compelling reason to upgrade. My laptop is a 2012 model, but with max'd RAM and a fast SSD upgrade... it still does everything I need it to. It also still runs the latest OSX and all of my software.

    Same goes for my iPhone. I'm still using an iPhone 5 because I don't want a large screen... I like one-handed use and smaller, more pocketable form factor... and it still runs all my apps and the latest iOS.

    My iPad Air 2 still has plenty of life in it too.

    But, what's going to happen is that after another major iOS/OSX upgrade or two, my gear will no longer be supported and virtually obsolete. One could argue that this is intentional soft-ware based planned obsolescence, which it likely is and I believe there's been proven evidence to that in the last couple of years.

    Point being, this is just a temporary plateau. I think there a many users out there just like me, who's gear still runs fine and they don't have to upgrade quite yet. But, that will change and there will be a big spike in sales when all of us are forced to upgrade.

    Just a temporary, natural product cycle plateau.

    I agree here. My air 1 is running perfectly and I've yet to hit a wall with it, and likely won't for a while. My 2007 MacBook stopped turning on, could be the power button, but in the last 7 months or so since it happened, I haven't felt a need for a replacement. I have a netbook that I use to do my day job work (running Linux), a Mac mini for syncing my iPad and phone that the whole family uses, and an IBM laptop running win 7 that I use to record via Ethernet from a Yamaha m7cl at my sound gig, which I then either mix in reaper on there or on auria on iPad. No need for computer upgrades right now.

    I did get an iPhone 6s when my 4s was starting to have many problems, but I got tons out of that 4s. I am thinking about giving my daughter the 6s and getting the new one when we're ready for her to have a phone, mainly because the 6s is not very comfortable in the pocket of my jeans. I loved the size of the 4s.

    I think Apple will be fine, although I do think the "it just works" is fading as they make iTunes worse and worse, and I'm not liking el Capitan very much at all. Oh well , time to go to work.

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:
    Seriously when you get to a certain age, you worry more about body parts still working in ten years than you do about apps :p

    Absolutely , Im certain my copy of iMS20 will carry on working for far longer than I will lol

  • @southpole76 said:
    Apple stocks in free fall ... plus, experience shows they have no intention to support old devices ...
    two reasons iPad apps are not future proof, at all.
    it would be a shame to loose all that great musicmaking software.
    how can we save it for posteriority?
    anybody working on iPad emulators already?

    The way tech is going you will be able to run these apps on your toothbrush.

  • Sonic Pi is pretty cool though. I met the creator at Ableton Loop November last year. Very inspiring dude.

  • I'm reminded of other music forums' threads about how:

    A) Apple have abandoned Logic Pro X (despite the fact they keep adding incredible free updates), and;

    B) Logic Pro X is just GarageBand Pro (presumably a notion started by people who never bothered to select the "advanced" options).

    It's just the internet talking.

  • Apple won't go down the pan. Sure they may of made some mistakes.......& taken some ruff n Tumbles...... who doesn't? Even Microsoft had made some boo boos from time to time. They will brush themselves down, get up & start again with more innovations. Maybe they need to take a bit more notice in what people want in the iPad Pro series?....... We will see anyway.

  • They might just have shifted focus to their iCar.

  • Actually Apple success was determined by the fact that they gave to the public something to want rather than what the public was asking for. And innovation is just that. Consumers won't innovate, it's not their role.

  • Good read. Much appreciated

  • One thing I know for sure: Apple is thinking of the future.

    That hideous Apple Watch may have been uglier than the first iPhone, but its the future and I might actually be interested by version 4 or 5. Or maybe not...

    There's plenty of innovation left at Apple is my point, and it just takes time to grow. iPhone and iPad seem to be tapering off, but no doubt there will be more Apple-yness for everyone to love.

  • @southpole76 said:
    it won't be as long as you live because you can't change the battery ... i was thinking the same with my iPod 3, just to run Filtatron... now the battery lasts about 5 minutes

    You can get a replacement battery kit that includes the tools to pry open the case for less than $3 on Ebay.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Replacement-Battery-for-Apple-iPod-Touch-iTouch-3-3G-3rd-Generation-Tool-Kit-/321552062481?hash=item4addff1811:g:gSIAAOSwcwhVQObw

  • @lala said:

    OMG, so many levels!

  • edited April 2016

    @southpole76 said:

    just to point out, the stocks thing was just clickbait - i really want to talk about future proofing the iPad software.
    i don't doubt Apple will be with us for quite a while, because i don't see the US forcing them to pay taxes anytime soon.

    (but if we have to talk stocks, i would never invest in Apple or Amazon, for moral reasons - unless it's indirect via some ETF or other index fund)

    Oh so now you explain....
    I've just thrown my ipad and phone down the toilet. At least my ipad didn't flush. I will retrieve it now. BUT you owe me an iphone!(imo;)

  • look guys, thanks for your interest, and let me ensure you, i am over 40, too, my investments are doing well, and i have decades of experience with troubles arising from software EOL, and with the longterm value of old instruments. i am also not smoking anything. not right now at least.

    so, once again, my intention was to find out wether anyone is working on porting iPad software to another platform, or on providing such a platform.
    thanks

  • @funjunkie27 said:
    They might just have shifted focus to their iCar.

    If it runs my music making apps I'm in!

  • Apple expects you to use your iPhone or iPad for 3 years:
    http://www.cnet.com/news/apple-expects-people-to-use-their-iphones-for-3-years-on-average/

    The home button on my iPad Air 1 is starting to activate Siri with just a short press, super annoying :/

  • @wim said:

    @funjunkie27 said:
    They might just have shifted focus to their iCar.

    If it runs my music making apps I'm in!

    I hope so too, I'll be looking forward to the future development of TrafficJam.

  • @knewspeak said:

    @wim said:

    @funjunkie27 said:
    They might just have shifted focus to their iCar.

    If it runs my music making apps I'm in!

    I hope so too, I'll be looking forward to the future development of TrafficJam.

    Even the Apple TV doesn’t even run iOS apps! The UI is fundamentally different: no touch, but a remote control instead, with the gyro in that.

  • @southpole76 said:
    look guys, thanks for your interest, and let me ensure you, i am over 40, too, my investments are doing well, and i have decades of experience with troubles arising from software EOL, and with the longterm value of old instruments. i am also not smoking anything. not right now at least.

    so, once again, my intention was to find out wether anyone is working on porting iPad software to another platform, or on providing such a platform.
    thanks

    If that was your original intention, then that's what you should have asked originally. What you did, instead, is make me think you're a paranoid fool. That opinion remains unchanged.

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