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Modstep update v1.1.1

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  • edited June 2016

    I made a midi template with 8 tracks and named it "8 track midi" and saved it (midi assignments only)
    Then I started to add instruments in it and play. At the end of session, I named it Test No.1"
    And saved it. When I reopened 8track midi template, previous jam instruments are in...Why?
    what am I doing wrong?
    Shouldn't the renamed version leave the original template alone?

    In addition Sunrizer synth just hangs notes...unusable...the question is, is it MS or Sunrizer?
    How can I tell?....Anyone has problems of hanging notes with certain synths?

  • projects auto save as you go. Save the template as a new name before making changes.

  • @wim said:
    projects auto save as you go. Save the template as a new name before making changes.

    This. Took me a while to understand this.

  • @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @wim said:
    projects auto save as you go. Save the template as a new name before making changes.

    This. Took me a while to understand this.

    One of those things that can be so handy but out here on the lawn of What-I'm-Used-To I hate it.

  • At some point in the past I took a look at iOS development ... for about 30 minutes before I decided it wasn't for me. But during that time I think I remember Apple's design guidelines saying that everything should always auto save and users should never have to think about it. Totally not what anyone coming from PC Land or any decent DAW would expect, but in line with the iOS paradigm.

    I hate it too, but have re-trained my mind towards making sure I always have a saved starting point to go back to.

  • @wim said:
    projects auto save as you go. Save the template as a new name before making changes.

    that's exactly what I thought I did, except it didn't work that way...I know now what you mean....weird logic :#
    Thanks

  • @wim said:
    At some point in the past I took a look at iOS development ... for about 30 minutes before I decided it wasn't for me. But during that time I think I remember Apple's design guidelines saying that everything should always auto save and users should never have to think about it. Totally not what anyone coming from PC Land or any decent DAW would expect, but in line with the iOS paradigm.

    I hate it too, but have re-trained my mind towards making sure I always have a saved starting point to go back to.

    Now that I am back in PC land I find myself not saving at times. :no_mouth:

  • @wim said:
    At some point in the past I took a look at iOS development ... for about 30 minutes before I decided it wasn't for me. But during that time I think I remember Apple's design guidelines saying that everything should always auto save and users should never have to think about it. Totally not what anyone coming from PC Land or any decent DAW would expect, but in line with the iOS paradigm.

    I hate it too, but have re-trained my mind towards making sure I always have a saved starting point to go back to.

    I use Final Cut Pro X (Apples video editing software) every day. It saves everything you do so you can undo an entire project if necessary and you never have to save. Once you get used to it, it's pretty sweet. Sometimes I forget to save in other apps...

  • @soundklinik said:
    I made a midi template with 8 tracks and named it "8 track midi" and saved it (midi assignments only)
    Then I started to add instruments in it and play. At the end of session, I named it Test No.1"

    This is where you went wrong. You needed to save it as "Test No. 1" first, before adding instruments.

  • @soundklinik said:

    In addition Sunrizer synth just hangs notes...unusable...the question is, is it MS or Sunrizer?
    How can I tell?....Anyone has problems of hanging notes with certain synths?

    Maybe once a day Sunrizer occasions the Panic! button, but that usually resolves things.

  • @soundklinik I even get the stuck note problem with Modstep sending to hardware synths. Had an awful time yesterday with my Wavestation constantly requiring a restart because not even Modstep's panic button would stop the hung notes. Today, it did the same thing with my BassStation II and (though not as much) the Wavestation again. This was using an iconnectMIDI4+ and iPad Pro 12.9", by the way. Previously, it's had the same issue with the Microkorg.

    I mentioned it to the dev at the time but I don't think it was a priority.
    Shame because MS is SO close to being an essential hardware sequencing app!

  • @sleepless said:
    Shame because MS is SO close to being an essential hardware sequencing app!

    This is what winds me up about Modstep. What it does is AMAZING but it seems like it's not quite closed the last 2% gap that turns a beta project into a professional performance tool.

    That said, what this app can do and how much finesse it does it with is incredible. Even the built in instruments are unbelievable and could exist as stand alone instruments. The synth and chord function together are formidable and truly unique.

  • @sleepless said:
    @soundklinik I even get the stuck note problem with Modstep sending to hardware synths. Had an awful time yesterday with my Wavestation constantly requiring a restart because not even Modstep's panic button would stop the hung notes. Today, it did the same thing with my BassStation II and (though not as much) the Wavestation again. This was using an iconnectMIDI4+ and iPad Pro 12.9", by the way. Previously, it's had the same issue with the Microkorg.

    I mentioned it to the dev at the time but I don't think it was a priority.
    Shame because MS is SO close to being an essential hardware sequencing app!

    I am also still getting stuck notes , even after last update , with IOS synths & to hardware .
    I have been in contact with devs , sent videos showing problem with both Novation. SL37 & Emu XBoard61 , which both work perfectly with IOS outside of ModStep .
    Unfortunately the last I heard , devs can't reproduce problem to know how to fix.
    So many users seem to be working fine with ModStep, but how many are using external keyboards I wonder ?

  • @Wally said:

    @sleepless said:
    @soundklinik I even get the stuck note problem with Modstep sending to hardware synths. Had an awful time yesterday with my Wavestation constantly requiring a restart because not even Modstep's panic button would stop the hung notes. Today, it did the same thing with my BassStation II and (though not as much) the Wavestation again. This was using an iconnectMIDI4+ and iPad Pro 12.9", by the way. Previously, it's had the same issue with the Microkorg.

    I mentioned it to the dev at the time but I don't think it was a priority.
    Shame because MS is SO close to being an essential hardware sequencing app!

    I am also still getting stuck notes , even after last update , with IOS synths & to hardware .
    I have been in contact with devs , sent videos showing problem with both Novation. SL37 & Emu XBoard61 , which both work perfectly with IOS outside of ModStep .
    Unfortunately the last I heard , devs can't reproduce problem to know how to fix.
    So many users seem to be working fine with ModStep, but how many are using external keyboards I wonder ?

    Strangely enough I get no issues whatsoever with my Korg volcas. Tested with a bass,a keys and a sample simultaneously. And I use 2 Keith McMillan K-boards with modstep too. I'm actually using a novation remote zero SL mk1 to send the midi to the volcas. Which is basically the same as your keyboard without the keys. No issues for me though.

  • God damn it's not AU. Every iOS music app has an Audio Unit. What you're talking about are AUX, Audio Unit EXTENSIONS. I really wish Apple would have called those something else...

  • @Sebastian said:
    God damn it's not AU. Every iOS music app has an Audio Unit. What you're talking about are AUX, Audio Unit EXTENSIONS. I really wish Apple would have called those something else...

    Too much Red Bull?

  • @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @Wally said:

    @sleepless said:
    @soundklinik I even get the stuck note problem with Modstep sending to hardware synths. Had an awful time yesterday with my Wavestation constantly requiring a restart because not even Modstep's panic button would stop the hung notes. Today, it did the same thing with my BassStation II and (though not as much) the Wavestation again. This was using an iconnectMIDI4+ and iPad Pro 12.9", by the way. Previously, it's had the same issue with the Microkorg.

    I mentioned it to the dev at the time but I don't think it was a priority.
    Shame because MS is SO close to being an essential hardware sequencing app!

    I am also still getting stuck notes , even after last update , with IOS synths & to hardware .
    I have been in contact with devs , sent videos showing problem with both Novation. SL37 & Emu XBoard61 , which both work perfectly with IOS outside of ModStep .
    Unfortunately the last I heard , devs can't reproduce problem to know how to fix.
    So many users seem to be working fine with ModStep, but how many are using external keyboards I wonder ?

    Strangely enough I get no issues whatsoever with my Korg volcas. Tested with a bass,a keys and a sample simultaneously. And I use 2 Keith McMillan K-boards with modstep too. I'm actually using a novation remote zero SL mk1 to send the midi to the volcas. Which is basically the same as your keyboard without the keys. No issues for me though.

    I don't have any hardware synths or drum machines, I have only 2 controllers (SLMKII and PCR300) and a sequencer BeatStep pro, that sometimes causes hang notes if sequencer stopped on a note "on."
    My main problem was with Sunrizer which had a continuous hang note. Would play, just can't stop...last note always on.

    @OscarSouth said:
    @sleepless said:
    Shame because MS is SO close to being an essential hardware sequencing app!

    This is what winds me up about Modstep. What it does is AMAZING but it seems like it's not quite closed the last 2% gap that turns a beta project into a professional performance tool.

    That said, what this app can do and how much finesse it does it with is incredible. Even the built in instruments are unbelievable and could exist as stand alone instruments. The synth and chord function together are formidable and truly unique.

    +100000000
    Yes, the final touches...that it needs

  • @soundklinik said:

    @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @Wally said:

    @sleepless said:
    @soundklinik I even get the stuck note problem with Modstep sending to hardware synths. Had an awful time yesterday with my Wavestation constantly requiring a restart because not even Modstep's panic button would stop the hung notes. Today, it did the same thing with my BassStation II and (though not as much) the Wavestation again. This was using an iconnectMIDI4+ and iPad Pro 12.9", by the way. Previously, it's had the same issue with the Microkorg.

    I mentioned it to the dev at the time but I don't think it was a priority.
    Shame because MS is SO close to being an essential hardware sequencing app!

    I am also still getting stuck notes , even after last update , with IOS synths & to hardware .
    I have been in contact with devs , sent videos showing problem with both Novation. SL37 & Emu XBoard61 , which both work perfectly with IOS outside of ModStep .
    Unfortunately the last I heard , devs can't reproduce problem to know how to fix.
    So many users seem to be working fine with ModStep, but how many are using external keyboards I wonder ?

    Strangely enough I get no issues whatsoever with my Korg volcas. Tested with a bass,a keys and a sample simultaneously. And I use 2 Keith McMillan K-boards with modstep too. I'm actually using a novation remote zero SL mk1 to send the midi to the volcas. Which is basically the same as your keyboard without the keys. No issues for me though.

    I don't have any hardware synths or drum machines, I have only 2 controllers (SLMKII and PCR300) and a sequencer BeatStep pro, that sometimes causes hang notes if sequencer stopped on a note "on."
    My main problem was with Sunrizer which had a continuous hang note. Would play, just can't stop...last note always on.

    @OscarSouth said:
    @sleepless said:
    Shame because MS is SO close to being an essential hardware sequencing app!

    This is what winds me up about Modstep. What it does is AMAZING but it seems like it's not quite closed the last 2% gap that turns a beta project into a professional performance tool.

    That said, what this app can do and how much finesse it does it with is incredible. Even the built in instruments are unbelievable and could exist as stand alone instruments. The synth and chord function together are formidable and truly unique.

    +100000000
    Yes, the final touches...that it needs

    sounds like its more of a sunrizer problem or the beatstep pro. since i've tested with laplace, gadget, isem, viking, lorentz, moog model15, terasynth, mersenne, im1, thumbjam, hardware volcas, Xfer Serum(in ableton using studiomux server), Kontakt(same as before) all without issues.

  • I don't understand why sometimes Viking AUx has no preset system, sometimes it shown behind Modstep keyboard.

  • edited June 2016

    Modstep, as many other apps, has its pros and cons. I find that after the last upgrade the .mid import is more consistent. I use it mainly for its internal sounds that I find very peculiar and often useful e.g. in minimal projects.
    If you push it hard, however (and you are not a MIDI wizard like Kaikoo2, and I definitely am not), crashes and glitches are still aplenty. Now, I think that an app has the first duty to be reliable, if it has to be inserted in any serious workflow.
    Do you want an example of a vanilla use of Modstep that results in an effective, though a bit weird, result? Go look at this video, and forgive its poor visual quality. I find this simple music endearing, but, OFC, these are my tastes.

  • edited June 2016

    @Sebastian said:
    God damn it's not AU. Every iOS music app has an Audio Unit. What you're talking about are AUX, Audio Unit EXTENSIONS. I really wish Apple would have called those something else...

    Sebastian, do you use tabs or space bar ? :smiley:

    In case you didn't know what I'm refering to, you might enjoy this
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2575988/

  • @Sebastian said:
    God damn it's not AU. Every iOS music app has an Audio Unit. What you're talking about are AUX, Audio Unit EXTENSIONS. I really wish Apple would have called those something else...

    But people understand the concept of AUs being the Apple equivalent of VSTs so it's natural to call them AU on iOS, even if technically they are AU Extensions. If they called them something else then they would have to explain what they were and developement of them would have been even slower.

  • @zarv Well, as someone who has been using MIDI sequencers for over 20 years, and is not even remotely pushing the app hard, I'm still of the opinion that Modstep is fundamentally broken in some areas.

    So far, my attempts to use MS purely outputting MIDI note data have provided unpredictable results. One minute, everything can be working. But, return to that project a few hours later and things will often have gone wrong.

    Occasional frustrations include a newly added track's MIDI port selection being greyed out (switching between different editing screens eventually sorts this out), sloppy timing (it can be tight one session, messy the next), stuck notes (I'm sure this is either a MIDI feedback loop being created where it shouldn't, ie according to my MIDI settings within MS, or a bug with Note Off messages)...

    I don't even use it as an IAA or AUX host, as that brings a whole raft of other issues....and, to be fair, I think that's expecting too much of an iOS app anyway. If the MIDI side was ironed out (and we're talking about a 35 year old protocol here), it would be amazing.

    Apologies for this long-winded post....even I've forgotten what point I was making when I started it....

  • wimwim
    edited June 2016

    @Sebastian said:
    God damn it's not AU. Every iOS music app has an Audio Unit. What you're talking about are AUX, Audio Unit EXTENSIONS. I really wish Apple would have called those something else...

    OK then. Why AUX, not AUE?

    (Genuine question. I'm not just being a smart-ass this time.)

  • @Kaikoo2 : That is a bug we have already fixed in a beta for the upcoming beta. @All: it is actually not easy for us to reproduce MIDI problems; if you have any issues with hanging notes or other things, please describe them as detailed as possible including the used devices and a screenshot of the Settings in modstep and drop us a mail to [email protected] Thanks!

  • Thank you, Ben.

  • @crony said:

    @Sebastian said:
    God damn it's not AU. Every iOS music app has an Audio Unit. What you're talking about are AUX, Audio Unit EXTENSIONS. I really wish Apple would have called those something else...

    Sebastian, do you use tabs or space bar ? :smiley:

    In case you didn't know what I'm refering to, you might enjoy this
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2575988/

    This made me spit my coffee....
    I would suspect he's a total tabs guy. :)

  • Lol, I agree, but AUX and AU have a real difference....Sebastian explained (and I understood !!! ) it in an other post...

  • I'll learn that later. But we can agree that Kaikoo is Jared?

  • edited June 2016

    @ExAsperis99 said:
    I'll learn that later. But we can agree that Kaikoo is Jared?

    ??? :o :|

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