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@yug, I just downloaded the Alchemy suite in MainStage; then to my surprise, Alchemy showed up as plugin in Live and DP.
One might want to really look into Logic Pro for themselves rather than go by what others say. It's probably not the best choice for everyone. My arranging/composing background, such as it is, is pencil and paper, and Logic works logically for me, right down to the difficult to learn but powerful score editor. The app is not that flashy, but the features available to make editing/arranging music in a more traditional way easier are deep. For those raised on computers and beat machines, I'd think Ableton Live would be attractive. If I had the time and wanted to spend the money, that's what I'd choose to try.
Logic Pro X and Live 9 Suite, I use both, there is some things that Logic do that i like and so does Live 9.
If you are a Mac user and want a DAW for money's worth , then Logic is the best at its price point of 199$ and lately Apple has been updating Logic on a regular basis. Logic just works with no stress on a Mac, down to how its UI auto adjust to your monitor.
Logic looks great to me although as a Windows user it's never been an option. The only thing that I don't like about it is that casual users abuse the ready made effects chains, loops and other easy to use 'drag and drop' elements in a way that's way too obvious to my ears. Makes musically interesting tracks into boring production cliches.
Yep, used to run the Performer sequencer on a little beige Mac Classic with a built in 9 in b&w bitmap display, and sync it to tape with SMPTE time code.
Before that I used a Yamaha hardware sequencer. When software sequencers came along, the mouse and screen thing was such a breakthrough!
Of course now with the iPad I'm back to the 9 inch screen.
Wow! Seriously? I thought the Mainstage plugins/instruments could only be used in DP by routing thru something like Soundflower or Jax?
But you're saying Alchemy works just like a standard third party AU?
up until recently all i used was ableton live but i switched to reaper and numerology and i aint goin back!
Yup!
Yeah got it and it is really good but i need an extra ipad to take advantage as i mainly have Studiomux and a selection of apps at the ready, tend to use the iphone version as a mixer
Does it have the full library that you could purchase before Apple bought it?
But just Alchemy, right? All the other Mainstage instruments only work in Logic and GarageBand ( unless you use the Soundflower work around) , right?
This video shows the workaround using Soundflower and ProTools.
http://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-page/2013/7/17/use-mainstage-3-in-pro-tools-11-10-and-9.html
(Note guy in video takes 3 min before he starts to show the actual method. )
This is the first time I've heard of any Mainstage plugin working directly in a non-Apple DAW!
If true, that is a major breakthrough!
Does not work for me. As far as I know, alchemy and other instruments are not available outside Logic/Mainstage. Maybe you have an older, pre-Apple version of Alchemy installed?
Interesting...need to know more
Still tempted to give Mainstage a try, even if it requires the Soundflower workaround. Whole lotta kit for the price. Alchemy alone seems worth it.
I get so distracted with iPad stuff I forget I've got a Mac full of Logic and Alchemy goodness. I'm going to whip it out and play with it, right away.
I have > @Littlewoodg said:
Exactly why I went with the software: got an Asus Flip Zenbook and this software seems made for it. I'm just so new to this DAW environment and I have only used Cubasis so far.
Yes to both. I've been buying Reason since it first came out but haven't used it since I started using the iPad and Ableton. It's not that I don't like it, it's just that I don't have time to use everything. But one of the smartest things Propellerheads did was create ReWire. When I use it again I can feed the audio into Live.
@DaveMagoo, it is my understanding that Apple released the full version of Alchemy; even more presets than the iPad version. I did not have Alchemy installed on my Mac until I downloaded it from MainStage. Previously, I had purchased all the extra Alchemy Mobile packs, but one, for the iPad.
What is neat about the Mac version is that it has MIDI Learn; so I can use my Korg Taktile 49 keyboard controller to manipulate various parameters in Alchemy. The X/Y pad on the Taktile 49 can control the 2x4 pad control in Alchemy. Other pots and faders can also be assigned.
@Lady_App_titude, tell me how it works out with DP as an AU? It should work fine. Are you using DP 9?
You probably checked out the YouTube stuff...
theres a learning curve but it's not terribly steep. Fun will happen soon!
Every time I spend some time in Bitwig, I wonder why keep the iPad? But then there are those apps that only exist in the iPad realm, so I just go back and forth...enjoy both, I say
Yes. DP 9. I have rolled back to 9.02 for the moment while 9.1 issues get sorted, but still using 9.1 for testing.
My main DAW is Tracktion 6. I also have FL Studio, Live Lite and Reason 7, but I only ever seem to get productive with Tracktion. I'm sticking with version 6 for now, until I understand it well, before moving to version 7 (or 8).
My iPad is mainly for producing snippets and stems for further development in Tracktion.
My #1 Go-To DAW is Studio One Pro 3 (been using S1 since 2010 - when I moved over from Cubase and Pro Tools).
However, I still use Pro Tools, Logic Pro, Live, Reaper, Cubase and Ardour
And, now, of course, Tracktion 5 too
@richiehoop @MusicInclusive -- thanks that's good to know, gives me some confidence that I may not waste my time in figuring out yet another piece of desktop software.
Tracktion is a bit different in the way it's laid out. If you are used to things like Logic, Pro Tools, S1, Mixbus, etc. etc. then Tracktion is different in its approach in a "similarly different" way as, say, Live is.
FL Studio is my main DAW. Wish it had Ableton Link. Also have Ableton Live..
Logic. I also own live, but use mostly Logic. Just found new ways of incorporating GB on iPad (via AB), then getting it onto the Mac and into Logic to mangle ad infinitum, using the great Logic Remote. Cheers, twobeers
Too many! Tracktion 7, Studio One 3.2, Reaper 5, occasionally even Samplitude Music Studio. As with iOS apps, each have their strengths and weaknesses: in the end they're all mainly VST delivery systems for a large collection of (expensive) plugins and synths purchased over many years that I rely on. That's the main reason I want to find a workflow where I can integrate my iOS apps with my desktop: it would be great to have the best of all worlds.
What we can do on our mobile devices these days is astonishing. In the way back days before DAWs, I started with a buggy midi program called EZ Midi Pro, that controlled my Kawai K4 Synth sending sounds into my Yamaha 4-track. I remember the thrill of working with my first DAW: N-Track in 96 or 97. It didn't support midi In the beginning, so I used Cakewalk for that. It took me about 10 minutes to remember that my first 'virtual instruments' were soundfonts played by my Soundblaster 32! And yet, music still got made. Considering the array of DAWs and amazing synths I have on my iPad, I really have no excuse for not dwarfing the musical output of those early days... But for some reason that's not happening. Perhaps too much of a good thing?
Derek, would you mind to tell me something about the points of strength of Traktion? I see that 5 is free to dl (always a good thing) but I feel not sure about taking this new learning voyage ( I own Logic, Live, Reaper, Reason, but Logic covers almost all my presents needs)
Ableton Suite for me, I just grokked the workflow straight away, and adding a Push 2 added another level of immediacy to proceedings. When I first got Ableton it was all about the session view and clips, then I went 100% into the arrange view and refused to use the session view. Now I've come right around and like to mix and match to fit my creative needs. It's one of the most beautifully designed (in terms of UI & workflow) apps I've ever used, though they do take it to extremes on the piano roll - srsly guys, there are ways to add in important features like note cut and scale folding without breaking the UI!
I also have Logic Pro X, which I use occasionally just to shakes things up. I tend to produce different music in it, usually I end up with lots more acoustic parts and less electronic-y songs overall.
I also have Reason 6.5 and FL Studio from another previous life. I'm somewhat ambivalent on Reason these days, though I loved it when I first started on it at version 2.5, nothing else came close back then. FL studio is a mixed bag of good and bad, I've been dipping into the OS X alpha version, which is coming along quite nicely, and I'll probably use it occasionally when it's done.
I have briefly tried others, but did not bond with anything