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  • Ableton Live 9 and Reason 7. I mainly use Live for tracking and Reason for some of the instruments. I don't use any of the DAW for MIDI sequencing. I do all my sequencing on my Elektron boxes and iPAD apps (Modstep, Gadget).

  • I'm on Mac. My DAW was Logic, but currently I learn Live + Push 2. Maybe I'll switch back to Logic + Maschine soon. Because using Logic is like coming home for X-Mas :)

  • edited August 2016

    Interesting how many people use DAWs other than what I call the big four (Live, Logic, Cubasis, and Reason). Seems to be some of the more experienced people on this forum. A few of the DAWs I've never heard of before.

  • @u0421793 said:
    Logic Pro X, but I’m now starting to think that’s the incorrect way of doing things.

    Hi,

    Why do you think so? I was just planning to go for Logic...

  • @zarv said:

    @MusicInclusive said:

    @TozBourne said:
    @richiehoop @MusicInclusive -- thanks that's good to know, gives me some confidence that I may not waste my time in figuring out yet another piece of desktop software.

    Tracktion is a bit different in the way it's laid out. If you are used to things like Logic, Pro Tools, S1, Mixbus, etc. etc. then Tracktion is different in its approach in a "similarly different" way as, say, Live is.

    Derek, would you mind to tell me something about the points of strength of Traktion? I see that 5 is free to dl (always a good thing) but I feel not sure about taking this new learning voyage ( I own Logic, Live, Reaper, Reason, but Logic covers almost all my presents needs)

    The main strength of Tracktion is its simplicity. Essentially everything is laid out in a "single page" onscreen. Some argue that it lacks sophistication and the power features of more major DAWs, but I find that its relative simplicity makes even me productive.

  • Ableton live 9

  • @jbvdb said:

    @mireko_2 said:
    FXpansions Geist2 and Reason 7

    How are you going about using the 2?

    Completely isolated from each other, I use one or the other, I sample from my iPad into Geist and use reason when I want to jam on my keyboard

  • @richiehoop said:

    ...

    The main strength of Tracktion is its simplicity. Essentially everything is laid out in a "single page" onscreen. Some argue that it lacks sophistication and the power features of more major DAWs, but I find that its relative simplicity makes even me productive.

    That's fine, but it's your personal preference (that I share, btw, so that I prefer Logic to Live). What I'm curious to know is which, if any, things Traktion does better. AFAIK it has no support for VST, am I wrong?

  • @mireko_2 said:

    @jbvdb said:

    @mireko_2 said:
    FXpansions Geist2 and Reason 7

    How are you going about using the 2?

    Completely isolated from each other, I use one or the other, I sample from my iPad into Geist and use reason when I want to jam on my keyboard

    Why not load you iPad sounds into multiple instances of Kong?

  • Cubase Pro 8.5 and Ableton Suite here

    though I still feel like only scratching the surface on both (a little bit further in Cubase) but I try to keep learning a little bit more almost every day

  • @AlexB said:

    @u0421793 said:
    Logic Pro X, but I’m now starting to think that’s the incorrect way of doing things.

    Hi,

    Why do you think so? I was just planning to go for Logic...

    There’s nothing intrinsically incorrect about going for Logic, in and of itself, but I’ve been ruminating over which parts of my music emitting over the decades have exhibited “flow”, and the answer is, none of them. However, the ones that have exhibited a motor of productivity winning over the airflow drag of technicality are generally not the 100% computer-based ways of working, for me.

    Four track cassette on a portastudio was fun, looking back fondly now, but wasn’t really considered fun at the time, more of a necessity given the budget. It really did slow down the forward motion or immediacy or spontaneity because of the careful consideration of what gets mixed to which, with all the layering, etc. I won’t want that way if I can avoid it. Half the reason I ended up with so many vintage synths was to avoid overdubbing sounds one at a time on tape, and in the end, the portastudio was only for guitar / vocals on three tracks with the fourth track for the sync tone. The whole song was then able to be dumped straight through the midi-mute mixer into the DAT, in one go, and any mistakes, I’d simply start it all again from the top. Nevertheless, I conceived of the ‘song’ as a whole self-similar entity then, and it shows in the music, I had very little differentiation between what is a verse or a chorus or anything else, and people used to say my stuff sounded like video game music because of my simplistic monolithic structure.

    The most productive was when I composed in grabbed and snatched moments of time on public transport using my QY20. The thing is, I didn't think about the song at the actual time, but had to pre-plan what the song actually should look like, and then in the short bits where I actually did the work on the train or tube, etc, I would focus on a much smaller aspect than the song, for example, a riff, and everything became patterns. The patterns would much later get hooked together to form a song, almost as a separate administrative formality and mostly at home, in a different frame of mind.

    I now see the continuous noodling approach I had on tape was a weakness in that I excused my lack of discipline with the notion of being ‘experimental’ and capturing a live performance. I see this in current-day “synth jam” sessions on YouTube, where they start at one end with a bunch of synced gear and keep going through some journey of tweaking until the time is arbitrarily felt to shut the thing down. I don’t think there’s anything particularly sinful in this, but if the aim is to construct a song, this way doesn’t make songs, or if it somehow does, they suffer because of it.

    Logic Pro X, which I’ve been using on the Mac for some time, when the time for song making is nigh, is for me more like a tape paradigm than a QY paradigm, and for all the weak points of the QY approach, the ability to dissociate the musical phrasing from the rhythmic and melodic phrasing is quite refreshing. Riffs and motifs and rhythms and sections need not have the chordal structure as part of their creation, but in LPX, they indeed are part of how you made it, and altering at a late stage that is not natural to LPX.

  • @zarv said:

    @richiehoop said:

    ...
    That's fine, but it's your personal preference (that I share, btw, so that I prefer Logic to Live). What I'm curious to know is which, if any, things Traktion does better. AFAIK it has no support for VST, am I wrong?

    It has full VST support.

    I'm not claiming it does anything better than the big-name DAWs, I just prefer it because of its simplicity. It's cheap, too. See: https://www.tracktion.com/products/t7-daw

  • @bsantoro said:

    @DaveMagoo said:

    @bsantoro said:

    @Lady_App_titude said:

    Wow! Seriously? I thought the Mainstage plugins/instruments could only be used in DP by routing thru something like Soundflower or Jax?

    But you're saying Alchemy works just like a standard third party AU?

    Yup!

    Does it have the full library that you could purchase before Apple bought it?

    @DaveMagoo, it is my understanding that Apple released the full version of Alchemy; even more presets than the iPad version. I did not have Alchemy installed on my Mac until I downloaded it from MainStage. Previously, I had purchased all the extra Alchemy Mobile packs, but one, for the iPad.

    What is neat about the Mac version is that it has MIDI Learn; so I can use my Korg Taktile 49 keyboard controller to manipulate various parameters in Alchemy. The X/Y pad on the Taktile 49 can control the 2x4 pad control in Alchemy. Other pots and faders can also be assigned.

    Thanks i was hoping that wouldnt be the case as im now gonna buy mainstage just for Alchemy ☹️

  • Can you still purchase Alchemy for iPad?

  • I am on Logic Pro X and have loved the 3 times or more per year updates its been getting.

    I've got a template which loads 80 tracks, all in the off position, and each track is saved to a different preset section for each of the instruments I like playing with. For example, I have different Alchemy tracks, one set to Bass, another to Synth, another to guitars, all based on having that category within Alchemy preselected so I can focus on those presets easier. I also have the track for each alchemy set to the most playable/favorite for me in that category.

    So I have everything set to go go go! Even in the off position, if you have the track selected, it will still play, so I can easily rifle through until I find something which catches my mood for that day.

    I've definitely said this before, but I am someone who's moved from the iPad back the computer in terms of focus, and have found I do prefer working with midi controllers and my mouse over the iPad's touch.

    I also am an advocate of iPad apps moving to the Mac as AUs. I hope that someday in the future Animoog finds its way over. I'm so happy to have Sunrizer in Logic. I'd like Nave too, but 149.00 € is madness which I'd almost always rather spend on something else.

  • edited August 2016

    @jjkjjk said:
    Can you still purchase Alchemy for iPad?

    No. You can probably expect some of it to come to iOS garageband though.

  • @u0421793 said:

    @AlexB said:

    @u0421793 said:
    Logic Pro X, but I’m now starting to think that’s the incorrect way of doing things.

    Hi,

    Why do you think so? I was just planning to go for Logic...

    I now see the continuous noodling approach I had on tape was a weakness in that I excused my lack of discipline with the notion of being ‘experimental’ and capturing a live performance. I see this in current-day “synth jam” sessions on YouTube, where they start at one end with a bunch of synced gear and keep going through some journey of tweaking until the time is arbitrarily felt to shut the thing down. I don’t think there’s anything particularly sinful in this, but if the aim is to construct a song, this way doesn’t make songs, or if it somehow does, they suffer because of it.

    Logic Pro X, which I’ve been using on the Mac for some time, when the time for song making is nigh, is for me more like a tape paradigm than a QY paradigm, and for all the weak points of the QY approach, the ability to dissociate the musical phrasing from the rhythmic and melodic phrasing is quite refreshing. Riffs and motifs and rhythms and sections need not have the chordal structure as part of their creation, but in LPX, they indeed are part of how you made it, and altering at a late stage that is not natural to LPX.

    I occasionally look to see whether a new DAW or update has popped up which will check off all of these experimental boxes, along with polyrhythms and polytempos, but it just isn't happening for whatever reason.

    You really have to have a composer's mindset to take full advantage of Logic, meaning you basically have to have the harmonic structure of the entire song in mind, and then use various tricks to achieve the experimental side of things. Logic without humanizing sounds way too rough to me.

  • edited August 2016

    @zarv said:

    @MusicInclusive said:

    @TozBourne said:
    @richiehoop @MusicInclusive -- thanks that's good to know, gives me some confidence that I may not waste my time in figuring out yet another piece of desktop software.

    Tracktion is a bit different in the way it's laid out. If you are used to things like Logic, Pro Tools, S1, Mixbus, etc. etc. then Tracktion is different in its approach in a "similarly different" way as, say, Live is.

    Derek, would you mind to tell me something about the points of strength of Traktion? I see that 5 is free to dl (always a good thing) but I feel not sure about taking this new learning voyage ( I own Logic, Live, Reaper, Reason, but Logic covers almost all my presents needs)

    Ah, well, don't mistake my expression of enthusiasm that it's free with a die-hard desire to use it :smiley: I mainly use S1 as I said above, followed by Pro Tools and Logic. I haven't used Tracktion enough to warrant being able to give anything more than a passing thought here.

    So. Hmmm. Well, it has this "linear track view" approach, where everything to do with a track is visible left-to-right across the page. As opposed to having say, a track view and a mixer view where the inserts / sends are in the mixer view, everything's there all visible. That takes some getting used to.

    Also, it has a "one-window" multiple tab approach. I find that less than helpful personally because I have multiple monitors and I'd like to splat things around the desktop more.

    Here's a quick view showing a simultaneous recording of MIDI and Audio from Animoog running through an iConnectAUDIO4+ into Tracktion running on Linux.

    You'll see after the audio that I added a delay, chorus and reverb - and that they end up inline with the track.

    The bottom pane shows the settings for the current item in focus - a bit like Live.

    Also, here's a closeup of the MIDI editing, and you can see the channel pressure from Animoog recorded there as one param in addition to the notes.

    Further you can also treat each recording as a clip and drop plugins in (a bit like clip plugins in other DAWs).

    If you like the tuti-fruiti-80s Amiga-ish look and feel of the GUI and the above approach, then you'll feel right at home :smiley:

    Oh, there are no buses to speak of. You can route tracks to other tracks and / or use the rack filters to create buses internal to an effect chain. You see I opened the rack filter for the delay I chose there to show you a bit of the detail.

    There's more - this is just a taste.

    If you are happy with your current DAW, Tracktion is more of a curio IMO :wink:

  • @mkell424 said:
    Interesting how many people use DAWs other than what I call the big four (Live, Logic, Cubasis, and Reason).

    I would say the big four are more like pro tools, logic, ableton and fruity loops.

  • @ToMess said:

    @mkell424 said:
    Interesting how many people use DAWs other than what I call the big four (Live, Logic, Cubasis, and Reason).

    I would say the big four are more like pro tools, logic, ableton and fruity loops.

    I'd say the big four are Studio One Pro, Pro Tools, Logic and Live. But then we could have this discussion all day :smiley:

  • BTW: Here's the MIDI editing data that shows that Tracktion nicely captures the per-note aftertouch from something like Animoog.

  • edited August 2016

    Synthtopia did a poll:
    http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2016/01/01/the-10-best-desktop-daws-of-2015/

    This has to do with most used, or purchased; not neccessarily the most powerful, or feature rich.

    For instance Digital Performer is one of the most mature, powerful and feature rich, but is only at 7% with this survey.

    http://motu.com/products/software/dp

  • FL Studio was my DAW to go, but nowadays I use Ableton more and more. Plays nice with Ableton link iOS apps :)

  • lol I can't believe I forgot about Pro Tools. That would replace Reason in my top 4 most popular.

  • edited August 2016

    @bsantoro said:
    Synthtopia did a poll:
    http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2016/01/01/the-10-best-desktop-daws-of-2015/

    This has to do with most used, or purchased; not neccessarily the most powerful, or feature rich.

    For instance Digital Performer is one of the most mature, powerful and feature rich, but is only at 7% with this survey.

    http://motu.com/products/software/dp

    The poll was seriously flawed; people were apparently able to vote more than once. It was interesting to watch the Live figures jump, err, live, if you will. Another example: it is seriously questionable that DP has more install base than Reaper even, or S1. (I'm not knocking DP, it's an excellent DAW - not one I use, but good nonetheless). If you look at the counts of users on the various FB sites for Pro Tools, S1, Logic, Live, Reaper it tells a very different story. Of course, others then point out that the higher user counts mean something different, and so it goes on :smiley:

  • @MusicInclusive said:

    @bsantoro said:
    Synthtopia did a poll:
    http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2016/01/01/the-10-best-desktop-daws-of-2015/

    This has to do with most used, or purchased; not neccessarily the most powerful, or feature rich.

    For instance Digital Performer is one of the most mature, powerful and feature rich, but is only at 7% with this survey.

    http://motu.com/products/software/dp

    The poll was seriously flawed; people were apparently able to vote more than once. It was interesting to watch the Live figures jump, err, live, if you will. Another example: it is seriously questionable that DP has more install base than Reaper even, or S1. (I'm not knocking DP, it's an excellent DAW - not one I use, but good nonetheless). If you look at the counts of users on the various FB sites for Pro Tools, S1, Logic, Live, Reaper it tells a very different story. Of course, others then point out that the higher user counts mean something different, and so it goes on :smiley:

    Of course, the best DAW is the one you use the most :wink:

  • The top 2 most popular might be Live and Logic because 80% of Computer Music articles are about them.

  • The most installed is probably GarageBand (it might also be the least used).

  • I stopped recommending DP to people. Imminently deep and powerful, but only if you're willing to crack that Gutenburg bible of a manual and figure out all the tricks. I'd guess that most of that poll's 7% DP users make their living using it, since it excels at things like automating stage shows and composing film/TV scores.

  • The more professional music world uses Macs a lot of would pros use also Macs this explains the populairty in all the mags about Logic. Still I think FL Studio has a gigantic userbase that probably is n time as much than Logic and Ableton together. Only most of those users you won't hear, probably also loads of them not getting into polls, etc. If you look at this forum you also see that FL Studio is used more than expected.

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