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poison 202 synth coming this fall

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  • @jimpavloff Great work and cool demo presets - instabuy. Nice range of sounds but I seem to be struggling with virtual MIDI so might need some more work here.

    I tried IAA in Cubasis but I don't see this listed as a MIDI destination and in Poison I don't see any virtual MIDI destinations listed only hardware ones.

  • @brambos said:

    @sirdavidabraham said:

    The devloper is a cool dude and knows what he's doing.

    GUI seems ready made for AUv3, I hope it's a smooth process for him. This thing begs to be multi-instanced and sonically it blends nicely with Ruismaker

    I've contacted him to offer support if he chooses to make it an AU.

    You're awesome @brambos !!

  • edited September 2016

    @Trueyorky said:

    >

    I tried IAA in Cubasis but I don't see this listed as a MIDI destination and in Poison I don't see any virtual MIDI destinations listed only hardware ones.

    When you're using IAA-Instruments in Cubasis you don't need to route the midi. It's done automagically :)
    Just add Poison-202 as IAA-Instrument, enable record and use the Cubasis built-in keyboard.

  • @Samu said:
    No issues loading it as IAA-Instrument in Cubasis.
    Track Freezing works fine but Cubasis really needs plug-in delay compensation that will hopefully come with the Cubasis 2.0 update.

    There is also no IAA Transport Bar at the moment but recording using Cubasis keyboard works just fine :)

    I have to say Poison-202 is very polished for 1.0 release!

    IMHO, it isn't complete IAA-Instrument support without the transport. Imagine Audiobus without a transport. The developer needs to get the transport in ASAP.

  • @Samu thanks I will give it another try later. Nice to see it worked in AUM so thanks for that.

  • edited September 2016

    @Audiojunkie said:

    IMHO, it isn't complete IAA-Instrument support without the transport. Imagine Audiobus without a transport. The developer needs to get the transport in ASAP.

    That's true, but treated as a 'sound-module' the transport-bar is not needed at all.

    In current state Poison-202 doesn't even transmit/send midi so the transport bar would be next to 'useless' anyway.

    It is also a matter of priority, AB and AUv3 are quite important too as is patch-export for backups.
    If the app is used with AudioBus there will be no use/need for the IAA-Transport panel at all...

    Give it time, it will grow :)

  • @sirdavidabraham said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    Is this a take on one of the Roland synths? Or just similar?

    It really does have some difference in character to many other iOS synths. Would love to see some more waveforms added in the future (yes greedy first day request).

    Nice interface. Very easy to use.

    Too late at night to hook up to my monitors to really test out though.

    I think it uses quite a bit of my Air2 ompff though, so while an AU would be welcome, I might not be able to run many.

    On the Facebook page the developer mentioned that it's a structural take on the JD-990. Looks like we are getting the Roland we need on iOS without Roland :)

    Sunrizer is based on the Roland JP-8000. Then there is the Roland Sound Canvas for IOS. The Poison-202 is a very welcome addition though:)

  • @jimpavloff said:
    Hello everybody! I am the developer, and I read this thread carefully. Thanks to everyone for your support! Feel free to throw me your thoughts, I will collect the info how to make this synth better.

    Great 1.0 release!! IAA support is not fully developed however, without the transport controls. Please add the transport controls! :smiley:

  • @jimpavloff said:
    Hello everybody! I am the developer, and I read this thread carefully. Thanks to everyone for your support! Feel free to throw me your thoughts, I will collect the info how to make this synth better.

    Jammed with it for a couple more hours this morning, lots of stuck notes particularly on the Power Saw patch.

    Great synth, enough to keep me temporarily distracted from the new Spectrasonics synth :#

  • >

    Jammed with it for a couple more hours this morning, lots of stuck notes particularly on the Power Saw patch.

    I've not had a single 'stuck note' yet?! (AIr 2, iOS9.3.5)
    Been using both onscreen keyboard and external iRig Keys...

  • @Samu said:

    >

    Jammed with it for a couple more hours this morning, lots of stuck notes particularly on the Power Saw patch.

    I've not had a single 'stuck note' yet?! (AIr 2, iOS9.3.5)
    Been using both onscreen keyboard and external iRig Keys...

    I've had 5 'stuck notes'. Although only part of the sound is sticking.

  • @Audiojunkie said:

    @jimpavloff said:
    Hello everybody! I am the developer, and I read this thread carefully. Thanks to everyone for your support! Feel free to throw me your thoughts, I will collect the info how to make this synth better.

    Great 1.0 release!! IAA support is not fully developed however, without the transport controls. Please add the transport controls! :smiley:

    Only place it would fit design-wise would be to overlay/replace the JimAudio/Poison logotypes :)
    The UI is quite crowded already even for smaller additions.

    The standard for the IAA-Tranport bar is far from 'standardized' regarding functions or graphics.
    Every developer seems to implement it in their own way :D

    Rec, Start/Stop, Rewind/FastForward and TimeCode/Song-Location etc.

    Wich functions would we need?

  • @Samu said:

    >

    Jammed with it for a couple more hours this morning, lots of stuck notes particularly on the Power Saw patch.

    I've not had a single 'stuck note' yet?! (AIr 2, iOS9.3.5)
    Been using both onscreen keyboard and external iRig Keys...

    I've only experienced it using external MIDI controller
    iPad Pro 9.7 iOS10 (public beta)

  • @brambos said:

    @sirdavidabraham said:

    The devloper is a cool dude and knows what he's doing.

    GUI seems ready made for AUv3, I hope it's a smooth process for him. This thing begs to be multi-instanced and sonically it blends nicely with Ruismaker

    I've contacted him to offer support if he chooses to make it an AU.

    Thank you sir!

  • I was looking for some prodigy type sounds few days ago for sunrizer and then this wild synth suddenly appeared, so i absolutely had to buy it, and it sounds REALLY nice, just what i was looking for. Now gieb AU plx

  • @BiancaNeve said:
    I do, sometimes when I buy a white chocolate mocha, my friends Caramel Macchiato just looks so much nicer oh and vice versa of course.

    The modern world in a nutshell, oh the agony of choice!

    Our favorite brunch spot has no less than three roasts available at any given time. I always get one of the other ones and compare, but what about the third?!?

  • @Samu said:

    @Audiojunkie said:

    @jimpavloff said:
    Hello everybody! I am the developer, and I read this thread carefully. Thanks to everyone for your support! Feel free to throw me your thoughts, I will collect the info how to make this synth better.

    Great 1.0 release!! IAA support is not fully developed however, without the transport controls. Please add the transport controls! :smiley:

    Only place it would fit design-wise would be to overlay/replace the JimAudio/Poison logotypes :)
    The UI is quite crowded already even for smaller additions.

    The standard for the IAA-Tranport bar is far from 'standardized' regarding functions or graphics.
    Every developer seems to implement it in their own way :D

    Rec, Start/Stop, Rewind/FastForward and TimeCode/Song-Location etc.

    Wich functions would we need?

    I wouldn't mind it being placed over the logotypes during usage. It can also fold up and hide away if needed like many apps do. I wouldn't need the fast forward and timecode/song-location. A small hide-able transport that does start/stop/rewind/record and returns to the host would be perfect! :smiley:

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:
    Ok I've only made 4 decent presets so far, but lots more will come. I just get this synths layout - it feels comfortable already! I can't say that about many synths within the space of a few hours lol

    Is there a mechanism for sharing presets?

  • @sirdavidabraham said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    Ok I've only made 4 decent presets so far, but lots more will come. I just get this synths layout - it feels comfortable already! I can't say that about many synths within the space of a few hours lol

    Is there a mechanism for sharing presets?

    Good question! :smiley:

  • I just got a return response from the developer:

    JimAudio: Transport bar for IAA will be developed in the next update.

    AWESOME!!! SUPPORT!!!

  • @Audiojunkie said:

    @sirdavidabraham said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    Ok I've only made 4 decent presets so far, but lots more will come. I just get this synths layout - it feels comfortable already! I can't say that about many synths within the space of a few hours lol

    Is there a mechanism for sharing presets?

    Good question! :smiley:

    There is no export of presets as far as I can see, so no way to share.

  • hey guys does this synth have a warm side?

  • @kobamoto said:
    hey guys does this synth have a warm side?

    Use the EQ :)

  • @kobamoto said:
    hey guys does this synth have a warm side?

    I haven't got it but some of the presets sound quite rich, so it's not just for trainee firestarters. I am quite tempted by this, despite having too many synths already.

  • edited September 2016

    @Samu said:

    @kobamoto said:
    hey guys does this synth have a warm side?

    Use the EQ :)

    Or put a Model 15 or Filtatron filter in the IAA effect chain.

    EDIT: or WOW

  • If you listen to the wave forms on their own. Poison has a little fizziness to them. Very similar to Roland digital.

    Tastes vary. I like them better than Magellan, but DRC Oscs seem more akin to analog. Well that's my opinion.

    Don't get me wrong. You can make 'warm' patches, but in the same way you can with a Roland digital, not really in the same way people describe analog 'warmth'.

    Imagine though Poison as an AU in AUM. Making some nice Roland Jupiter 80 like sounds then putting some better quality fx on the lot.

    Maybe I'm talking shit. Just opinion though.

  • @kobamoto said:
    hey guys does this synth have a warm side?

    Not really, but the beauty of it is that not every synth is supposed to be analog-like. We iOS users are privileged to have Moog supporting the iOS platform, and they are currently the kings of warm analog sounds. As mentioned above, DRC is also very analog-like. I got this synth, not for analog-like sounds, but for the 90's vibe. The key thing to remember is that the analog/digital debates are pretty much over. It's been discussed to death on other forums, and it basically comes down to this: neither is better, they are just different. If the sound is pleasing and non-analog, that's great! I personally try to find instruments that sound different but pleasing, so that I can have as large a sound palette as possible. :wink: This one seems to capture that 90's music vibe well. That's what I like about it--even if it doesn't have a warm side. :smile:

  • @Fruitbat1919 said:
    If you listen to the wave forms on their own. Poison has a little fizziness to them. Very similar to Roland digital.

    Tastes vary. I like them better than Magellan, but DRC Oscs seem more akin to analog. Well that's my opinion.

    Don't get me wrong. You can make 'warm' patches, but in the same way you can with a Roland digital, not really in the same way people describe analog 'warmth'.

    Imagine though Poison as an AU in AUM. Making some nice Roland Jupiter 80 like sounds then putting some better quality fx on the lot.

    Maybe I'm talking shit. Just opinion though.

    Yeah, Magellan... That's an interesting beast. There was something about the sound that I just didn't like. It didn't sound......."rich" enough--for lack of a better word. The sad thing about that app, is that the developer threw the whole kitchen sink into the app--I mean, it supported everything, and it supported it correctly. Midi, Audiobus, IAA, etc. It just works flawlessly. It even has features other synths don't, like random patch creation. It had a great step-arp. It could be treated as an effects unit--granted I didn't like the effects much (even though I do like the effects of ToneStack). I suspect if a Magellan 2 came out, it would be great! I just didn't care for the original.

    On the other hand, I really like Moog's Model 15 and DRC! They are two of my favorites! :smiley:

  • edited September 2016

    actually I'm not interested in emulating any particular analog, a better description would be fake analog or digital warmth I'm looking for.... i just like warm sounds, read somewhere that they had some devo-esk sounds... and devo were able to get some really warm sounds from non-analog equiptment etc.......
    so no worries I have no interest in debating sounds because sound is subjective.... now if you wanna debate sampling tools then that's a different story :)

    but if you weren't interested in the 90s vibe at all would you still get it?

  • Me? Probably. I get just about everything. Hahaha!!! :-)

    When Roland sponsored Devo, they went almost totally Roland. However, before that, it was, as you already know, a lot of MiniMoog. They had an Obie 2-voice, and Prophets as well. Lots of true analog stuff, really. Even the Roland instruments at the time were mostly analog (until they started with the D50 and S50).

    I guess what I'm saying, is that I don't know that Poison-202 is the best instrument for Devo-esque sounds. I'm sure it can probably do some, but I would, as many have mentioned already, consider it more of a 90's sounding synth. Think Prodigy. Listen to the demo youtube sounds. It's great for that stuff! :-)

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