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Well. Again this is YOUR experience. We should have started with a premise that comparing audiobus to facebook is absolutely misguided. They are two completely different platforms and to a large extent serve different purposes.
As far as FB political bias in my case have not got much to tweak as I could almost predict what type of material any of my associates are going to distribute. This is to an extent where it wouldn't matter whether I meet the person or read what their feed on FB. What you are talking about works for people who are indiscriminate lax in their profile policing. You're also forgetting that the whole internet is exposed to a considerable amount of propaganda that is bound to filter to any corner of the internet that allows for free expression between individuals. And yes, that will also include this forum.
So while you're feeling save and cosy browsing threads and joining conversations on this very forum, please be aware that you are not completely safe from propaganda.
The only advantage this corner of the internet has over others is its focus on iOS music, which more or less remains clean of 'other' stuff. However, as with any place frequented by openly thinking folk it also abounds with opinions and interpretations many of which are fed by....PROPAGANDA!
Also let us not forget that this forum, as any other product of global capitalist thread has a purpose of promoting products albeit in a more subtle and easily digestible way
...and there's nothing wrong with that
You seemed to have missed a rather important point in my post. Tracking. Was that intentional? Or you do concede this practice is wrong and potentially malicious?
They didn't tweak what people you follow posted, they allegedly tweaked the trending topics to make it seem like far more people were posting positive tags about Hillary than Trump. This is blatant manipulation if true. Even if it's not true, what's stopping them from doing it in the future?
Also, note that i didn't post anything about my experience. I posted facts that are relevant to anyone using FB. Trying to dismiss them as my subjective experience is not a valid argument
http://www.journalism.org/2016/05/26/news-use-across-social-media-platforms-2016/
6 in 10 americans get news through social media. I imagine that number is much higher for young people. This is dangerous because those news can easily be manipulated and again, because it promotes echo chambers. Not having your opinions challenged is bad in many ways
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jun/29/facebook-privacy-secret-profile-exposed
https://www.wired.com/2016/04/facebook-seized-media-thats-bad-news-everyone-facebook/
https://www.simplilearn.com/how-facebook-is-using-big-data-article
https://stallman.org/facebook.html
Finally, about the propaganda - here you have a wide variety of people from all walks with one common interest. That means you're much more likely to encounter someone who is completely opposed to you on any given subject. That's healthy and promotes healthy debate. The opposite of social media
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Also, you appear to be contradicting yourself. First you said Audiobus was the same beast, just dressed differently. Then you say that comparing them is misguided
If ever a thread cried out for a Rage Against the Machine theme song, it's this one.
I would like to apologize on behalf of my country, the good old U.S. of A, for our dumpster fire of an election cycle that's been taking place for the last year and a half. Most Americans I talk to are disgusted and sick of it, and I hate to think what it looks like from outside of America.
The good news is it will all be over in a couple of weeks. Hang in there, and don't give up on us!
Belated Po
Myspace is where its at
@Sebastian please close this thread, it is so irrelevant from the first post to the last, it hurts. Or maybe I just haven't slept needing to spend the night at the hospital with my 2 y.o. and feel it is going no where.
Mea culpa for getting involved.
Classy
I take it you can't counter any of my points
Oh and now you want the thread closed?
Wow, that's pretty low. It's not our fault you lack debate skills and critical thinking yet still jump in with sweeping statements about how we're all just using it wrong
Next time you should probably consider the possibility that you don't know what you're talking about before getting in the middle
PO yourself
There's no need to close the thread as long as you boys don't mix it up.
By the way, Sebastian isn't here all that frequently -- or at least he doesn't log in, check his profile. If you need a thread locked, ping @syrupcore.
I don't play chess.
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@telecharge I've been good friends with an American for decades, and have visited the states many times. I gave up on politicians of all stripes many years ago, but never on the people.
Agreed. One of the reasons I abandoned Digital Spy was the bias toward political correctness and the demonising of anyone who wouldn't tow the line. Too many people didn't seem to understand that national pride is not the same as racism. At least until I played the black and Jewish cards. Apparently it's fine in PC land for an Israeli to be proud of his heritage, and an African-American to identify with his ancestry. But being proud to be English was wrong.
Sorry to hear about your child's health issue, and I wish him/her a speedy recovery. But please don't use this to stifle debate. You're better than that.
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Since I've wasted my po in this case, I might just as well explain in short why I reacted as such. I've realised that it has become a tactical game of arguments between two people who have no desire to agree on the subject but simply to keep check mating each other to death. Since I had no desire to continue I tried to bail out in a rather clumsy way.
Having said that, it was not my intention to use my daughter as a pawn in a game. I mentioned it simply to explain my reluctance in continuing this ever so meticulous exchange. If we were at a bar I'd give you an option of a fist fight outside. Since we are not I'm offering an olive branch. Good night.
I'm on Fb, but rarely participate in any groups because in the past FB would broadcast posts to the general feed. Many of my friends would have no idea what "audiobus" is but I don't trust that facebook would prevent my posts in such a group from being thrust in their faces.
I've seen some of my friends post context-sensitive information in their high school re-union group unaware that it's being broadcast to everyone in their feed.
Forums are best outside of FB
If we were at a bar I'd give you an option of a fist fight outside. Since we are not I'm offering an olive branch. Good night.
I must admit to being disappointed. I'm trying to have a perfectly civil conversation, as are most people here, and you suggest offering me physical violence because we have different views. Is that what you'll be teaching your child; don't like what someone says, punch them down.
In future I shall not waste my time responding to any of your posts.
You keep bringing this up, hard to tell if you're joking or just dumb. Facebook collects big data while also manipulating people en masse, they are not concerned with individuals. They are pretty much like every other big publicly traded company: looking for further markets to exploit at the expense of communities and cultures. It's the 21st century version of the 20th century American export that is currently in the process of steamrolling the rest of the world, causing chaos both within it's borders and out. This is not right wing or left wing, just reality. They toss that right and left wing stuff out there as a distraction, to divide and conquer, and it works stunningly well.
Unfortunately this has led youth to believe that capitalism is somehow bad as they are unable to distinguish between greed and capitalism for whatever reason, which in turn has the naive turning towards socialism and communism, which in turn plays right into the hands of the aforementioned steamrolling whose end game is centralized corporate control. They need dumb consumers, and so they are producing them as best they can.
"And as I've mentioned, we've all been quite content to demean government, drop civics and in general conspire to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry. The unawareness remains strong but compliance is obviously fading rapidly. This problem demands some serious, serious thinking - and not just poll driven, demographically-inspired messaging."
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3599
Yes and sadly it's spread to universities where the kids are so cuddled they need trigger warnings and safe spaces. What happened to being challenged and using critical thinking?
The current situation creates echo chambers where everyone is patting everyone else on the back for having the 'right' opinions and social media is promoting this
It's detrimental to society
I was taught that religion and politics have no place in polite conversation. Perhaps this thread is for impolite conversation?
Yeah that's right, I'm dumb.
anybody on Friendster? you can friend me ......oh never mind
I'll tell you what else I don't like – bloody LinkedIn. Ridiculous goody-goody best-behaviour place, where everyone pretends to be civilised and well mannered, for fear they won't get a job. There are no jobs. All it does is promote a sterile annoying imbecilic area of the internet, and to make people think that's normal. As soon as I heard it was bought by the microsofts, I got out of there the same day. It did nothing for me.
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Correct. I dabbled with LinkedIn, and found it utterly useless. All it does is promote itself.
Yeah, we're always hearing about the "talent shortage" here in the U.S. I'm in agreement with those who believe it's just a hoax perpetrated by large companies to get cheap labor. Of course, the media loves covering it.
God forbid you have an in-demand skill set and use Linked In. "Recruiters" will be in touch.
I'll stick with being anti-social.
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You might be on to something there. The anti-social network.
Lol....it would only have a dislike button.
No followers either, just the occasional cyber stalker.