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If Reaper doesn't excite you, maybe you need to look at how you are using it?
@richardyot @theconnactic Since I seem to recall you both being guitarists, check out this post from earlier today by Gibson Brands "Chief Magic Officer" Craig Anderton.
http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3502329
i use it at work and it works well enough. At home i tend to use samplitude more, except for a couple things. They all have their stengths and weaknesses. The more the merrier to me. Why use only one tool...
Doesn't Bitwig do clip launching as well? And as far as know you don't need to ever use it, it's like it's basically an extra feature on top of a full featured DAW.
Yep, Bitwig does both, on regular desktop setup they can be used side by side in the same screen.
Bitwig has the clip launcher but managed to keep the focus on the linear DAW. Live's the other way around. When in Bitwig, I do what I do with Garageband iOS: just use what I need.
@telecharge, I was talking about the Session View, yes. About Live's arrangement view, I found it a little more cumbersome to use than Logic or ProTools, reminding me of Sonar, which I also dislike.
Also Bitwig
I have a Surface Pro 3 and use Studio One as my main DAW.
I used to use Reaper and Cubase Pro, and miss things about them, but S1 suits me well.
IMHO, Reaper is good if you are the engineer, recording and mixing. Cubase and S1 are better for writing while recording. Things like the chord track in Cubase and arranger tracks in both, scratchpad in S1.
I would still be using Cubase, but the dongle is a PITA on a laptop.
PC based DAWs are so much more powerful, especially if you do a lot of editing of you audio or midi tracks.
Yes, you can get the same end result on the iPad, but you could probably do a lot of edits 10 times faster using a mouse and keyboard modifiers or keyboard shortcuts.
You might also check out Tracktion.
I love Auria, but I've been doing more work of late on my desktop daw, and obviously almost any desktop program will have tools and plugins nothing on iOS can currently match. But whether the desktop is 'better' for music making is completely subjective. If you consistently find yourself creating a higher volume of interesting music on your iPad using it's often smoother and less expensive, but more restricted toolset, it's better for you. Full stop.
I've been working hard of late to smoothly integrate both into my workflow, and I like aspects of both.
And embracing a desktop DAW will almost certainly involve piles of money compared to mobile. If you're able to stick with the extensive built in plug-ins that come with apps like Studio One or Logic, it's not too bad. But I don't know many who are able to resist the siren call of plug-in sales, which can easily add up over the years. "Of course I need a 5th optical compressor, it's 75% off!"
True this, not to mention the trail that leads from PC DAW into the deep woods of ridiculously good free vst, like the 10 (free) amazing (free) synths taught in a tutorial app now available for iPad- 110$ for MTS and 10 free synths will get you quite a ways...
IMHO one of the reasons I like my PC DAW is I don't have to live within Apple's limitations. I have 32 GB RAM, quadcore and as much hard drive space as I want. I have two large monitors. As you are a computer animator, I assume you probably have this kind of firepower, so I don't know why you would want to limit yourself to your Surface.
I downloaded all the available DAW demos this summer and did a lot of research. I ended up buying Sonar. The reason is they do major updates every month. Take a few minutes and look at what they do in their updates here and decide for yourself. http://bit.ly/2dVzZ5o Nearly everything I love about the program today is a relatively recent addition. I can only imagine what it will be a few months from now.
I agree 1000% with @tovakas that spending time with a PC DAW will get expensive, and also with @Littlewoodg about the ridiculously great free synths and plugins available everywhere.
By the way, @littlewoodg what is the tutorial app you're referring to?
Fwiw I bought a surface pro 3 for Design and illustration and I thought it would be a good platform for audio...I use Ableton Live on my Mac, but after running it on my SP3, all I can say is that it is horrible. I end up making music on my iPad Pro and 2012 MacBook Pro.
Now I only have an Ableton PC experience...so take it for what it is...I don't use another type of DAW on the desktop.
I love my SP3 for photoshop and design work...but hate it for music production.
One artist to another ;^)
-policarpo
www.policarpo.us
Good'un.
+1
They have a free, older version, too. No idea how it is on a touch screen.
https://www.tracktion.com/products/t5-daw
10 Free Synths Plugin Course by ASK Video
https://appsto.re/us/7aUrfb.i
I third the reaper opinion. I use it to do live recordings constantly, it almost never crashes and basically is an open platform for anything you'd want to use. It doesn't come with a ton of instruments and such, but it's $60, so there's lots of money left for other types of programs you'd need. I don't feel restricted at all mixing with just reaper, some free plugins, and the computer magazine plugins, technically not free but with one issue you get about 100 plugins, including lots of instruments. It's not touch enabled as far as I know, but I think it's fantastic. I not sure what people find confusing about it, I think things make sense but to each their own.
When I switched to it from protools (back in protools version 7 land, when you still needed their hardware) I was very happy. Actually, I've been using reaper since before version 1, but full time at reaper 3 I think. I didn't buy a license for 5 yet because 4 still does everything I need.
As a bonus, read Justin Frankel's (the developer) history, it's pretty cool. He's quite the programmer.
Those of you using Starlight, did you opt for the ultimate version with vst support and if so, how is it working for you? I looked at the free version and it seems perfect for a Windows tablet. I'm looking at getting a cheap tablet use with this.
@richardyot - Studio One is really great, I did some stuff with it. It is user friendly, intuitive, has no great learning curve (compared to other DAWs) and lots of options. But for me I like iPad much better to work with, don't really understand why. I think with PC I get too much involved in technical stuff and not with making music. iPad feels better accessible for me. (probably bad English) But for you it might be different. Anyway, if you want a good PC DAW then Studio One is a great option, and I think the sound quality is better than ios. You ask is it going to be better then iPad? Depends on how you define "better". Options? Workflow? Quality of sound? General 'feel' when working with it? There are may angles to approach the word 'better'.
I add - reading studioAB's post - an advice: you could (probably thought of this yourself) get a free version of any DAW and try to be aware of how it feels to work/make/record music with a PC. Studio One has a free version: http://www.presonus.com/press/press-releases/Studio-One-3-Prime .
Agree. With the iPad my hands are in the lungs of it and they may not breathe as cleanly, but I can feel them, the life that's in them, they're my lungs, spluttering as I may.
Really? I'm definitely a Reaper fan but I wouldn't say it excites me. Reaper is a great tool but then so is Excel, you know?
I think you mean Stagelight.
I've been with them since v1 when it was $10 for everything and I got grandfathered in. The VST support has worked well for me.
I must admit, I'm not too crazy about their app model. It's like a freemium game. If you're not careful, you'll spend too much.
I hadn't heard of stagelight until this thread. On the site, I couldn't find anywhere that laid out what was not included or how much those IAPs cost. Seems you can only see the store content and pricing via the app's in-app store. Feels kinda shady/sneaky to me. Pass.
There is a reason for that, I do own two desktop computers with six cores each and 32GB RAM, multiple monitors, KVM and that jazz, but I sit in front of them all day for work. I really don't want to spend my evenings and spare time with them as well, which is what drew me to the iPad for music and fun.
Noted, thanks
Yeco with Ableton Live seems to be coming along nicely
Noted too. Maybe I will check out the demo of studio one and see how it feels to me.
To be honest I really don't feel like I'm missing much with Auria. The instruments in Logic do tempt me, but I don't have a Mac so that's not really viable. The one thing I do like the look of in studio one is the arrangement track, and maybe also the comping/grouping for vocal takes.
I'm pretty sure I don't want Ableton style clip launching, but then again maybe I need to try it before writing it off.
FYI
I am thinking about grabbing Suite from Ableton at Sweetwater on sale for $499
Yes it feels like an instrument and you can create wherever you are and when you feel like it with an iPad and that's pretty special. That's why I'm favouring an iPad to pc workflow. Sketch and jam on iPad, arrange and edit on a computer. Depends on the complexity of a project of course but editing on an iPad feels for me a bit like doing Brain surgery with boxing gloves
But then I think the iOS daws that have been developed all have roots in the non touch screen world. We'll eventually get more ideas of what a touch screen daw could become. They will evolve.
For me too, that's why I've gone back to recreating a different studio setup away from my work stuff which integrates my iPads and involves a touch screen and other hardware. I think the difference is whether it's for work or leisure. If music is your work you'll always need to use real computers somewhere in the production.