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Korg iWavestation is out!

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  • skiphuntskiphunt

    @vpich said:

    @skiphunt said:
    Please don't get the pitchforks and torches out... I ask this in complete ignorance, but what the heck is all this fanaticism with these Korg synth sounds? They all sound really dated to me. That last demo posted by @nrgb sounds kool, but most of them I hear just sound like throwbacks to a vague time I barely remember.

    That's not to say they sound bad. They do sound interesting, if not somewhat reminding me of old Tangerine Dream, Ultravox, Kitaro, Vangelis, etc. but I don't get the general enthusiasm about emulating those sounds.

    Maybe it's how they're being played in some of the demos and not the synth itself? Because I do like synths in pretty much all Cure stuff. And I know NIN uses a lot of creative synth sources. Also dig ENO and The Orb, M83, etc. so maybe it's just the material being played that sounds kinda cheesy and not so much the synth itself?

    What is the main attraction beyond nostalgia for these synths?

    I'm like Mulder "I want to believe" ;) but they just aren't resonating at a fever pitch for me like they obviously are for many/most of you all.

    I honestly didn't get it with the Moog Model 15 either, but now that I have it... I kinda sorta get it, I guess.

    Since I'm relatively new to iOS sound apps (about a year now) and before that I didn't know anything about any synthesizer at all. I liked some synth stuff in the past, but never paid much attention and I'm not a musician. Never have been. Not really one now either, but I do like to at least try to compose structure somewhat rather than complete random chaos. That's more sound design I think and not really "musicianship".

    So, is the main attraction to some of these synths that sound kinda of dated and slightly cheesy... that they emulate a sound you loved from your past when the only way to get it was with expensive hardware? Or, is it really and purely all about the sound itself?

    Well the im1 and wavestation sound dated for sure. But the ODYSSEY, moog, ms20 are used by all those guys you like. If i recall correctly the m83 dude uses the ms20 a lot.

    Before I recently bought the RF-1 and RP-1 apps... I checked out the dev's site and they list the MS20 as their favorite synth.

  • Peter321Peter321

    I think a lot of it is nostalgia, many of us grew up with these but did not have the money to buy them. Now we can get them, in even better versions, for the price of a few beers.

    That said, there are so many classic sounds there and I also think the excitement for KORG is they seem to be the only hardware company serious about iOS. They are really putting out a lot of good stuff and it seems they put a lot of work into their apps, instead of just porting PC stuff (just compare iWAVESTATION to the PC version).

  • CarnbotCarnbot

    Everything is ripe for reinterpretation, even old classic cheesey style sounds can be manipulated into something new, with a new perspective and fresh ears (or combined with other stuff). That's my own interest in this app. I generally wouldn't be interested in these types of sounds either. But I like a wide palette to experiment with. :)

  • skiphuntskiphunt

    @MonzoPro said:

    @skiphunt said:

    That's not to say they sound bad. They do sound interesting, if not somewhat reminding me of old Tangerine Dream, Ultravox, Kitaro, Vangelis, etc. but I don't get the general enthusiasm about emulating those sounds.

    Old Tangerine Dream used modular synths and Moogs - interestingly that stuff doesn't sound dated to me, but the later stuff they did with plinky 80/90's synths does.

    I'll need to hear a few more demos, but I'm guessing this aint for me.

    I remember Tangerine Dream, but from like when I was in middle-school. I remember I liked them, but had to refresh my memory on them recently when the midisequencer dev referenced an effect in one of their albums "Phaedra" so I listened to it off YT, and you're right.. I think that sound still holds up very well.

  • skiphuntskiphunt
    edited November 2016

    @AudioGus said:

    @skiphunt said:
    I'm definitely not buying anything new at the moment after all the purchases I've already made over the last week. And I don't want to get on the Gadget train and become obsessed with iAPs (I know I would) ;)

    But, given the acts and stuff I've said I like in general, ie. more edgy, or weird soundscape sound design stuff (not tunes)... if you were going to just have one stand-alone Korg synth app, which one would it be?

    Shoom. ;)

    Oh dear gawd I love that app. :) The dev had said he had a lot more plans for it too, but doesn't seem like anything ever came of it.. ie. midi, etc. Hopefully he's still working on it in his laboratory. :)

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton
    edited November 2016

    @skiphunt said:
    I'm definitely not buying anything new at the moment after all the purchases I've already made over the last week. And I don't want to get on the Gadget train and become obsessed with iAPs (I know I would) ;)

    But, given the acts and stuff I've said I like in general, ie. more edgy, or weird soundscape sound design stuff (not tunes)... if you were going to just have one stand-alone Korg synth app, which one would it be?

    The iM1S20polystation... :)

  • Matver61Matver61

    IWavestation seems compatible with all kind of IPad.

  • RUST( i )KRUST( i )K

    I got it.

    I never used real one so this is all new.

    Looks complicated as opposed to the other Korg apps.

    Or am I mis reading this?

  • RulesOfBlazonRulesOfBlazon

    @skiphunt said:
    I'm definitely not buying anything new at the moment after all the purchases I've already made over the last week. And I don't want to get on the Gadget train and become obsessed with iAPs (I know I would) ;)

    But, given the acts and stuff I've said I like in general, ie. more edgy, or weird soundscape sound design stuff (not tunes)... if you were going to just have one stand-alone Korg synth app, which one would it be?

    I love love love Korg. But when I hear "edgy," "weird," and "not tunes," and we're here in iOS land, I'm thinking you do not want to go with a Korg stand-alone synth app. You certainly could use one for that and get good results, but why not just go with something from apesoft or Vasiliev or something like that? To me, they approach sound creation and design from a different angle than Korg, and they are tailor-made for the type of stuff you seem to like best.

    Just my two cents.

  • CrawlingwindCrawlingwind

    I think a lot of people weren't around when those sounds got used up the first time. I have the legacy Wavestation - never used it much - this one looks like MUCH more fun for sure - but it's those sounds again...

  • skiphuntskiphunt

    @RulesOfBlazon said:

    @skiphunt said:
    I'm definitely not buying anything new at the moment after all the purchases I've already made over the last week. And I don't want to get on the Gadget train and become obsessed with iAPs (I know I would) ;)

    But, given the acts and stuff I've said I like in general, ie. more edgy, or weird soundscape sound design stuff (not tunes)... if you were going to just have one stand-alone Korg synth app, which one would it be?

    I love love love Korg. But when I hear "edgy," "weird," and "not tunes," and we're here in iOS land, I'm thinking you do not want to go with a Korg stand-alone synth app. You certainly could use one for that and get good results, but why not just go with something from apesoft or Vasiliev or something like that? To me, they approach sound creation and design from a different angle than Korg, and they are tailor-made for the type of stuff you seem to like best.

    Just my two cents.

    Yeah. The Korg stuff might not be for me. I have all of the stuff you recommend and I freakin' love it all. My entry stuff that got me hooked was Igor's stuff. And I now have all of his apps, as well as all the apesoft and amazing noises stuff. Even recently ponied up for the IAP in the free Gliderverb.

    I think I'm just succumbing to "me too"-itus. I saw all of the over-the-top fanaticism for ARP Odyssei while I was traveling in Mexico and couldn't wait to get home to buy. Then, I listened to a few demos and realized it might not be for me.

    Maybe I'll grab one before the sale is over Jan. 5th if I get anymore iTunes cards as gifts. I'd likely just get one and preferably universal, so that narrows it down considerably.

  • kobamotokobamoto
    edited November 2016

    @skiphunt said:
    Please don't get the pitchforks and torches out... I ask this in complete ignorance, but what the heck is all this fanaticism with these Korg synth sounds? They all sound really dated to me. That last demo posted by @nrgb sounds kool, but most of them I hear just sound like throwbacks to a vague time I barely remember.

    That's not to say they sound bad. They do sound interesting, if not somewhat reminding me of old Tangerine Dream, Ultravox, Kitaro, Vangelis, etc. but I don't get the general enthusiasm about emulating those sounds.

    Maybe it's how they're being played in some of the demos and not the synth itself? Because I do like synths in pretty much all Cure stuff. And I know NIN uses a lot of creative synth sources. Also dig ENO and The Orb, M83, etc. so maybe it's just the material being played that sounds kinda cheesy and not so much the synth itself?

    What is the main attraction beyond nostalgia for these synths?

    I'm like Mulder "I want to believe" ;) but they just aren't resonating at a fever pitch for me like they obviously are for many/most of you all.

    I honestly didn't get it with the Moog Model 15 either, but now that I have it... I kinda sorta get it, I guess.

    Since I'm relatively new to iOS sound apps (about a year now) and before that I didn't know anything about any synthesizer at all. I liked some synth stuff in the past, but never paid much attention and I'm not a musician. Never have been. Not really one now either, but I do like to at least try to compose structure somewhat rather than complete random chaos. That's more sound design I think and not really "musicianship".

    So, is the main attraction to some of these synths that sound kinda of dated and slightly cheesy... that they emulate a sound you loved from your past when the only way to get it was with expensive hardware? Or, is it really and purely all about the sound itself?

    I think the main attraction is the type of music people like to listen to, I'm not sure if that constitutes nostalgia or not, for example if you like soul music and listen to marvin gaye would that be nostalgia or just you listening to marvin gaye? At least for me when it comes to music I only focus on what I'm interested in today and the thought of what I used to listen to does not really come into play. for me it's the same with the instruments/apps I like.

  • knewspeakknewspeak

    Now how many apps use VA algorithms Saw, Pulse, 12dB 24dB.... and you never have enough, but this pops up, its out-of-date because it's old? How many synths could wave sequence and vector? Still a classic.

  • Gaia.TreeGaia.Tree

    @yowza said:

    @Gaia.Tree said:
    Can someone who owns this app let me know if they see a global tuning option?

    Yes there appears to be a place to set the global tuning in the settings menu

    Great, Thanks! I was hoping so, since iM1 has global tuning this would too. I am a pads and atmospheres junky and I hear this is the synth for those, come on Christmas and gift cards!

  • skiphuntskiphunt
    edited November 2016

    @kobamoto said:

    @skiphunt said:
    Please don't get the pitchforks and torches out... I ask this in complete ignorance, but what the heck is all this fanaticism with these Korg synth sounds? They all sound really dated to me. That last demo posted by @nrgb sounds kool, but most of them I hear just sound like throwbacks to a vague time I barely remember.

    That's not to say they sound bad. They do sound interesting, if not somewhat reminding me of old Tangerine Dream, Ultravox, Kitaro, Vangelis, etc. but I don't get the general enthusiasm about emulating those sounds.

    Maybe it's how they're being played in some of the demos and not the synth itself? Because I do like synths in pretty much all Cure stuff. And I know NIN uses a lot of creative synth sources. Also dig ENO and The Orb, M83, etc. so maybe it's just the material being played that sounds kinda cheesy and not so much the synth itself?

    What is the main attraction beyond nostalgia for these synths?

    I'm like Mulder "I want to believe" ;) but they just aren't resonating at a fever pitch for me like they obviously are for many/most of you all.

    I honestly didn't get it with the Moog Model 15 either, but now that I have it... I kinda sorta get it, I guess.

    Since I'm relatively new to iOS sound apps (about a year now) and before that I didn't know anything about any synthesizer at all. I liked some synth stuff in the past, but never paid much attention and I'm not a musician. Never have been. Not really one now either, but I do like to at least try to compose structure somewhat rather than complete random chaos. That's more sound design I think and not really "musicianship".

    So, is the main attraction to some of these synths that sound kinda of dated and slightly cheesy... that they emulate a sound you loved from your past when the only way to get it was with expensive hardware? Or, is it really and purely all about the sound itself?

    I think the main attraction is the type of music people like to listen to, I'm not sure if that constitutes nostalgia or not, for example if you like soul music and listen to marvin gaye would that be nostalgia or just you listening to marvin gaye? At least for me when it comes to music I only focus on what I'm interested in today and the thought of what I used to listen to does not really come into play. for me it's the same with the instruments/apps I like.

    That's a very good point and true. I don't like just one kind of music. I like stuff from every era and every genre. Not wild about rap, but there's some of that style I like as well.

    This reminds me of a thought I've had off and on for the last few years and here I am being guilty of the same mentality, ie. that of art becoming irrelevant just because of it's creation date. All part of our "throw-away" culture. If it wasn't made "on-trend" yesterday, then it's not worth appreciating at all.

    I wonder when that happened. Doesn't seem like it was always that way. I used to appreciate everything on it's own merits without regard to when it was created. But, that's changed somehow it seems.

  • TritonmanTritonman

    Yes, while not purchasing today, I will be before the new year and can see myself easily spending more than one afternoon in sonic heaven while watching snow pile up outside.

  • db909db909

    Well I just got it and took a quick peak. Definitely need a manual, looks like there's quite a bit of stuff you can do.

  • kobamotokobamoto
    edited November 2016

    I think it might have something to do with our habits for example I have some nieces that will not and by that I mean simply cannot listen to anything that does not come out of a radio, They know all of the stations and probably more about the stations than the people working at the stations but I can't get them to listen to anything else to save their lives. Contrast that with my own habits .. I make hiphop music, have collected all kinds of music for many years, have not listened to the radio in at least 5 years, and have enough music that Is personally worth listening to for at least 5 more lifetimes without the radio. so I think what our habits are and how we came up contribute to how it all plays out. Before I listened to hiphop I was listening to only rock music but then hiphop opened me up to everything.

  • RUST( i )KRUST( i )K

    My first impression is actually good.

    Way better than the ARP for me.

    This is so rich and clean textures that are missed by the granular and fx abundance I am accustomed to working with.

    I just wish I had a clue on programming it.

    I still have issues with a simple patch on im1............................LOSER

  • jmp909jmp909

    Could anybody tell me what "interoperable" means here please? Can you export patches for the hardware?

    Thanks

  • CarnbotCarnbot

    Patches designed in the main app show up in Gadget like iM1.

  • CrabmanCrabman

    does it have the resonance filter added in the pc version?

    It's quite tempting...i skipped the arp (although it's very high on my list) but while we already have a lot of"virtual analog"synths on ios the wavestation concept is kinda unique on.Yes,some (or many) sounds might be dated but i would be interested to build wavesequences (instead of using"single"sounds).Still,i love the iProphet and maybe i should just stick with this one.But the gadgets are always a killer argument...This time it doesn't seem to be an intro price,at least the store description doesnt mention it.

  • skiphuntskiphunt
    edited November 2016

    Looks like of the stand-alone (no Gadget required) Korg apps that are also universal... the choices are ARP Odyssei, iWavestation, iKaossilator, and iDS-10

    Which of these would appeal most to someone more interested in more experimental sounding stuff? And, has a good set of builtin controls to tweak out some extra weirdness?

    From what I've seen from demos, of the universal apps listed above it's looking like iWavestation would be the best fit?

  • oddSTARoddSTAR

    @Fruitbat1919 said:
    Not much that doesn't sound dated to some degree these days. Maybe a sign of old age on my part. Can't remember the last time I heard something and thought WOW that's totally new.... :p

    For me, maybe dubstep...for a minute.

  • Ivan_DjIvan_Dj

    @Crabman said:
    does it have the resonance filter added in the pc version?

    It's quite tempting...i skipped the arp (although it's very high on my list) but while we already have a lot of"virtual analog"synths on ios the wavestation concept is kinda unique on.Yes,some (or many) sounds might be dated but i would be interested to build wavesequences (instead of using"single"sounds).Still,i love the iProphet and maybe i should just stick with this one.But the gadgets are always a killer argument...This time it doesn't seem to be an intro price,at least the store description doesnt mention it.

    I can see two filters mode: Exciter and Resonance:)

  • ReidReid

    Yeah, a lot of apps in the store are recreating the sounds that many people on this forum played decades ago. Nostalgia definitely plays into it. If Yamaha put up a DX7 I would buy it.

    On the other hand, the cliche sound of 2016 is Output's Signal and Exhale, and Heavyocity's Gravity. But so many people make music with presets from these "engines," that it makes the results often sound similar. I like these synths/samplers, but I can recognize the patches in movie soundtracks and commercials all the time

    What gets buzzed about more is the music from "Stranger Things" :) What's old becomes new again.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @skiphunt said:
    Looks like of the stand-alone (no Gadget required) Korg apps that are also universal... the choices are ARP Odyssei, iWavestation, iKaossilator, and iDS-10

    Which of these would appeal most to someone more interested in more experimental sounding stuff? And, has a good set of builtin controls to tweak out some extra weirdness?

    From what I've seen from demos, of the universal apps listed above it's looking like iWavestation would be the best fit?

    I don't have the iWavestation yet, but for experimental stuff I'd say the Odyssei works best, as it's a more tweakable synth. The iDS-10 doesn't do much for me, it's like a stripped down version of Gadget.

  • cl516cl516

    Holy cow this thing is deep deep deep, I never had a wavestation before. I do think if one is just gonna scroll thru presets then yes it does sound kinda dated. But if you really program it, say a few hours on a plane or something, you can really get some nice unique results outta this.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    Some SoundCloud samples of your creations?

    @cl516 said> Holy cow this thing is deep deep deep, I never had a wavestation before. I do think if one is just gonna scroll thru presets then yes it does sound kinda dated. But if you really program it, say a few hours on a plane or something, you can really get some nice unique results outta this.

    @cl516 said:
    Holy cow this thing is deep deep deep, I never had a wavestation before. I do think if one is just gonna scroll thru presets then yes it does sound kinda dated. But if you really program it, say a few hours on a plane or something, you can really get some nice unique results outta this.

  • Rich303Rich303

    Right now it's Korg O' Clock and I'm about to check it out.

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