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interesting points, regarding maintaining a certain level of quality. To be fair though, when an app like this falls a wee bit short, no big deal. There's so many great synths on iOS. What grinds my gears are the apps that come out with something innovative or new, or re imagine older concepts in the perfect interface and its boom, 9/10 right out of the gate, and yet they steadfastly refuse to update it with those often glaringly simple, no brainer features that would make it a solid 10/10. It's like "do you not want to complete the circle and achieve greatness?" Stuff like Figure, would it really break the apps usability to add two more instrument tracks? That type of thing.
And I have a suspicion that Korgs Japanese teams are the ones doing the higher quality work.
I second this observation and find it strange, too.
If there is an issue (not an obscure 'may be') it should be adressed, preferably in polite form...
(ok, I admit a personal hang to occasional sarcasm and playing Mephisto's advocate)
Anyway, if a synth is sold as an emulation of something, it should fulfill some expectations.
The Moog-15 seems to do this to quite some extent, according to sound snippets I've heard - the Animoog does NOT mimic a Mini, nor is it sold as one - perfectly ok.
Korg's Oddy app is less convincing (regardless how nice it may sound) in that context, even worse if there are operational and technical drawbacks.
we'll get there faster the more we grow the yaysayers and reward the devs who listen, we are so lucky to have Holderness Media, Igor Vasilev, Kymatica, Looptunes Peter Thom, Dhalang dev Joel Kivela Remixlive, Novation, the drum jam dev , sebastian & Michael, Alexander (sunvox), the geoshred dev, Geert, and the like
Yes it sounds very nice. Tweak it.
@kobamoto
Absolutely, nothing gives me more joy than to be able to give a 5-star rating, like with the iVCS3 i just bought. An app, where you can just see and feel the love, the incredible level of detail that went into it. We should all appreciate this level of dedication and skill, and reward it.
@db909
I think there are pretty brilliant people working at KORG, i have no idea about the structure of this company though, my suspicion is the contract/outsource the app development, and don´t do it inhouse. There are definite similarities between their apps, and my guess is a lot of recycled code. The analogue modeling that brings the great sonic results, apparently comes from the KRONOS workstation...
@Telefunky
The second most important point of an iOS synth is the user interface, because that is the strongpoint of iOS. I am personally convinced, that moog develops exclusively for iOS for exactly this reason, to have the touch interaction. If you look at the ODYSSEi GUI it is downright lazy, the faders are so bad to operate that people are actually using the iPAD Pro stylus for it. I don´t have an iPad Pro and even if i did, i´ll be damned if i pick up a bloody stylus to operate a synth on an iPad. This isn´t some charming tinkering with DIY synths, experimenting with a soldering iron. This should be polished, shiny, perfect products from one of the biggest electronic music companies of the world!
to be honest I frequently use (and enjoy) a simple $5 stylus.
I had to get one for the Fairlight CMI emulation to replace the lightpen.
But not all are created equal - the one that worked great on the iPad2 failed miserably on the Mini retina (to my own surprise).
Haha touche of course the fairlight how could i miss it. But it actually enforces my point, that was revolutionary technology in the 1980s, i have the same opinion as Steve Jobs on stylusses. And was of course laughing when Apple released one a few years after his death, albeit great new technology.
2b. It could be better, but I don’t feel I’m sucking anything up.
It’s a new synth app for iOS that sounds good and works to some extent in Gadget. Korg has made a good reproduction, which is what they’re selling. Like most iOS apps, it’s relatively inexpensive. Maybe Korg will improve it, but if they don’t, I’ll still get my money’s worth out of it.
I wonder why people buy an app if it just pisses them off. Is Korg misrepresenting anything in their description of it? Take the time to find out if it does what you need before buying it. If it has problems that can’t be overlooked, just pretend it doesn’t exist, and live happier. (Yes, you can also make suggestions to Korg.)
Regardless of what App Store reviews say (haven’t even looked at them,) Korg is a major player on this little platform, and I think they deserve praise for their overall work. I doubt they’re hurting their company by not devoting more resources to iOS apps than they already are.
I totally agree with you just not so much with the relevancy, this is another issue. Not about korg misrepresenting anything. The majority of the time it's users like Patric or Samu that find out things that were not possible to find out until after making the purchase, allot of times they even bring to light issues that the devs hadn't noticed. It's really these kind of users that are allowing the rest of us to find out if the app is a purchase we should make or not.
Now i remember the term i was looking for earlier. Shilling. You´re a shill. You refuse to even look at the App Store ratings, and reality. You´re a Korg fanboy and willing to accept anything they do, so the rest of us have to do so too. If you would even take the time to read the thread, unlike you i have the ability to distinguish between great products like the iWavestation, and poor products like the ODYSSEi, regardless of the brand.
You didn't even address specific problems, offer solutions, workaround etc. Your whole analysis was "sounds good, works to some extent in Gadget, so i´m golden."
And thank you so much for being so gracious and granting me the right to make "suggestions to Korg" really. I really appreciate it.
Your last sentence is so freaking dumb, when you cast iOS as "this little platform". You know what could elevate the platform further? Even better apps.
Pls stay out of my threads, thx.
Then, in that pioneer spirit, go forth and explore. With realistic expectations. An app may not be everything you want it to be, especially in its first offering. Is it necessary to make disappointments into a rant, publicly calling out Korg as being a deficient company, inciting the mob to grab their pitchforks? Just say what you’d like to see improved, and this place won't become a platform for drama queens.
I answered your poll. I shouldn't be surprised you made another drama out of it.
I've ignored you the last time, this time i wasn´t in the mood to let your stupidity slide.
You´re not even attempting to address a specific point. Your dull generalization of "Korg should be praised, because they release iOS Apps and Gadget is soooo coool" is embarrassing. I´ve outlined specific issues, and you are not able to address a single one of them. Why are you wasting my time?
ok bowing out until you guys find a cure for the cooties
don't forget it's christmas, or thismas, or thatmas ....
Understandable, sorry. I took the bait, i accept the blame.
hey I've taken the bait and served it no worries but unfortunately in this regard iOS is an uphill battle so we gotta focus on the issues...
gonna lurk and chill a bit, Happy Holidays to both of you.
Thx man, u2!
Sea lion.
I agree that Model 15 has raised the bar. My one complaint with Moog is that Animoog should be packaged universal so that the IAPs across iPhone/iPad aren't a double whammy. All I can do is vote with my dollars. So I'll buy Animoog if it becomes universal.
It's not all gripes and nit picking from me though. Praise to Imaginando for DRC, which shipped with a lot of working features, has been fixed quickly where bugs arose, and whose dev continues to set a path for improvement with open communication. Special mention to apeSoft for iVCS3. Going universal AND making it AU, just wow! The bar just keeps getting higher!
Anyways, I do like the sound of the ARP ODYSSEi in demos, so I do hope it gets a right proper polishing. Fingers crossed
Shill!!!! Stay out of my thread!!!! You have been banished!!! Hahaha. Maybe a bit much.
Anyhoo i do want everything to get better and hopefully korg listens. But for me and my uses in ios the most important 3 things are universality, sound and ease of use. That for me is gadget. It is rock solid. Everything just works. All the time. And within gadget the best analog synth is ODYSSEi so if i could only have one synth in all of ios it would be ODYSSEi. works and sounds great in gadget. Sync and other issues keep me from doing much sequencing elsewhere and gadget is so easy and fun to program that i don't know why i keep looking for other ways to do it. other synths i just play live into auria once i have exported my gadget session.
But i could mix in my macbook, my one desert island ios app company is korg. So count me as another shill. Peace bro.
I do like the sound too, that's why i'm not ready to give up on the ODYSSEi :-) You´re absolutely right the bar gets raised by stuff like the iVCS3, and not always by the big names. Honestly, i almost think the AUv3 Filter alone is worth 15 bucks
Man, i´m laughing at myself right now for losing it like that, but that guy triggered me good.
I just don´t get that line of thinking, that you should just be gracious for a company supporting "our little platform", i want things to get better too. And i´m sure the CEO of KORG, whoever that is, wants it too. As a businessman, if you have customers that are passionate about your product and provide you with detailed feedback, (for free) that´s a great thing.
The workflow you describe eliminates most of the issues, the user interface is different in Gadget too. I think it´s fair to leave Lexington out of it, since it shouldn't be assumed, that every ODYSSEi user even owns or uses Gadget.
Nah, i could never call a fellow BoC fan a shill :-) Peace
At leash you can select MIDI channel on this unlike iwavestation which is even more frustrating!
You´re totally right! I use the iWavestation on a dedicated old iPad with a hardware controller attached, so i didn´t notice that before, just that external clock is available. At least iWavestation offers external clock option, which is important for the wavesequencing.
They seem to neglect MIDI and it sucks!
sorry Patric, but that was more than 20 years ago... may still apply to small business, but in the league of Korg or the like they play it very(!) different today
it doesn't matter anyway, because you made a big mistake (so did I with missing research for background info)
That synth is made by ARP and Korg allowed them to use their CMT modelling for the analog sound emulation.
Even if ARP is a business section of Korg (dunno), it's an independent developer, probably new to the game (which explains some deviations in app handling)
That doesn´t make any sense. ARP (a hardware company from the 70s) is developing iOS Synths, and using KORGS modeling technique, and then release it under the KORG brand, with KAOSS Pads and Gadget integration?
that makes perfect sense, since it's about the brand, not the (old) company
You can buy Akai MPC alikes, which have nothing in common with the original devices except their look and label. Someone bought the brand (or the company to get the brand).
A US company bought just the name 'Telefunken' and now builds replicas of the original microphones, determined to achieve the same class.
Which is the unusual part of it - typically one aquires a famous name to increase profit on cheap gear.
Funny thing: Telefunken never ever built a single microphone, all their stuff was OEM by Sennheiser, Siemens, AKG and Neumann.
Yes, in this case it is KORG buying the IP and brand name, developing the App. Where does ARP come in, in your theory? It is KORG, the KAOSS Pads, Gadget Integration, textbook Korg.
Well, come Christmas morning, I'm going to have an iTunes gift card burning a hole in my pocket. After flicking through this thread, I'm still unsure of whether to grab this synth.
It won't run on my iPad 4, so I have an iPhone 6s Plus that will cater for that, but my eyes struggle more and more now and the fiddleyness might be a problem. Also, I don't use gadget much and that would limit its use.
The sound examples do tempt me though.
I guess, on my part, it's just a case of being addicted to buying analogue emulations and not really needing them.
look at the label and text section below this video, where 'ARP' mentions Korg in 3rd person