Kirnu - Cream Mobile

kinkujin

@OscarSouth said:

@JohnnyGoodyear said:

@OscarSouth said:
Thanks all for the positive feedback on the track!

@kinkujin said:

@OscarSouth said:
I’ve been digging Kirnu Cream lately! I used it heavily in combination with Laplace in this track:

http://udagan.bandcamp.com/track/t-kh

The unexpected killer feature for me is how the sequencer features such a simple integration for modulating CC values. Very powerful addition.

@kinkujin said:
Hi. Reviving this thread for a couple of what I hope are simple questions.

1) for some reason, I cannot change the tempo. Tap or sliding finger has no effect. It worked before so I’m wondering if I’ve got something locked. Tried soft boot of iPad to no avail.
2) are chords arpeggiated chords only? I assume so.

Thanks. Fun app. Making minor headway ...

With regard to no.2 — I don’t have an iPad with me so can’t check the name of the page but I believe that you can sequence any/all of the chord memory notes to sound any any time during the progression.

That track is marvelous! Spooky, creepy, haunting. Love the score. Please do tell more about the making of it. I love the narration, but couldn’t understand the dialog at around the 20 second mark.

Glad to hear that you enjoyed the track! We did our best to keep the vocal clear so I'll have a look at the session at the 20s moment to see if there's anything specific that I can fix the future work. was quite challenging in mixing/mastering actually, because the dynamic range of the track goes from speaking over ambience to massive electronic production and back a couple of times. If you'd like to see the lyrics in more detail, they are included in the track info on the bandcamp page.

In terms of 'making of', here the list of iOS apps involved:

Audiobus
Kirnu Cream
RuisMaker
Laplace Synth
Moog Model D
Photophore Synth
BeatMaker 3 Sampler
Reslice
Grind Distortion
Discord4
AUFX:Space

Mixed & Mastered with Harrison Mixbus (Linux)

I had my Mixbus machine (running in Debian based Linux) running and connected to an iCA4+ interface, with an iPad Air2 connected to the same device. I routed audio and MIDI between the two machines and tracked everything in Mixbus. Mixbus slaved very well to a MIDI clock when needed and the automatically calculated delay compensation was flawless.

@JohnnyGoodyear said:

@OscarSouth said:
I’ve been digging Kirnu Cream lately! I used it heavily in combination with Laplace in this track:

http://udagan.bandcamp.com/track/t-kh

By the by, this is exceptional. I really liked it, in all aspects. And what a voice she has. The ways some words are pronounced is mesmerizing. Did you find the vocal or write it?

Thanks! It's really nice to hear such great feedback! Saydyy was also very happy to read this!

The spoken word (story) is original and was written by Saydyy, based on old folk legends from her home place (the republic of Sakha).

The backing vocals were all improvised. The higher ones in the middle were more normal 'contemporary' improvisation and the lower BVs behind the second part of the narrative were a more traditional 'shamanic' style that is found in Sakha folk culture.

There are actually much more vocals than that too! Almost all the ambient wind/animal sounds you hear were recorded by Saydyy, using her voice. You can see a live example of this kind of vocals at around 2:20ish here:

Excellent background. Very generous of you. Lots to learn from there. I'm going to be brutally frank with you and say that the first 95% of the 'story' was so good and so powerful, and perhaps more than anything so professionally believable, that I was left hanging a little by the end. Seemed sudden and almost without resolution. I want more, either pathos, fear or understanding. But that's just one man's feedback. And I DO NOT mean to be churlish at all, it's a lovely piece. Next up I want her to work on something written in the first person wherein she is a private detective plying her trade between forest and ice.

Feedback is always appreciated, thanks very much!

We’ve been really amazed with the reception to the spoken word. It was a challenge in concept, composition and production, and certainly an experiment. Biggest take away for me is that a 6 minute track felt like a 2 minute ditty in terms of what we could fit in. I think musically it worked well and allowed for expressive development of the core elements without being repetitive. I also think we need to make more work with longer forms! Future tracks may be ‘part 1’ ‘part 2’ and we will definitely revisit the supernatural folklore of ancient Sakha.

Please do. It feels like you’ve happened upon something really special and I look forward to hearing more. Thanks for posting it.

kinkujin

Back to Kirnu Cream ...
I'm on this like a paper wasp. Feel like I'm understanding more than not. However, I am no closer to 'getting' the chord memory section. I spent last night with it ... set up a chord, play through all presets on the bottom right. Put down one note on keyboard, two notes, three notes, several notes ... can't find a rhyme or reason to how this is affecting the arpeggiated chords. I must be dense?

OscarSouth

@kinkujin said:
Back to Kirnu Cream ...
I'm on this like a paper wasp. Feel like I'm understanding more than not. However, I am no closer to 'getting' the chord memory section. I spent last night with it ... set up a chord, play through all presets on the bottom right. Put down one note on keyboard, two notes, three notes, several notes ... can't find a rhyme or reason to how this is affecting the arpeggiated chords. I must be dense?

I found that one of Kirnu’s official videos described that part quite well.

kinkujin

@OscarSouth said:

@kinkujin said:
Back to Kirnu Cream ...
I'm on this like a paper wasp. Feel like I'm understanding more than not. However, I am no closer to 'getting' the chord memory section. I spent last night with it ... set up a chord, play through all presets on the bottom right. Put down one note on keyboard, two notes, three notes, several notes ... can't find a rhyme or reason to how this is affecting the arpeggiated chords. I must be dense?

I found that one of Kirnu’s official videos described that part quite well.

Oh, ok, I'll look for that. Thanks Oscar.

JohnnyGoodyear

@kinkujin said:

@OscarSouth said:

@kinkujin said:
Back to Kirnu Cream ...
I'm on this like a paper wasp. Feel like I'm understanding more than not. However, I am no closer to 'getting' the chord memory section. I spent last night with it ... set up a chord, play through all presets on the bottom right. Put down one note on keyboard, two notes, three notes, several notes ... can't find a rhyme or reason to how this is affecting the arpeggiated chords. I must be dense?

I found that one of Kirnu’s official videos described that part quite well.

Oh, ok, I'll look for that. Thanks Oscar.

Let us know if you find it!!

OscarSouth

This is the one:

JohnnyGoodyear

Grazie @OscarSouth. Better than working.....

kinkujin

@OscarSouth said:
This is the one:

Appreciate that Oscar! Huge help - mysteries are being unlocked!

HotStrange

Anyone still using this one?

oat_phipps

Ah, Cream. For those who’ve been around for a while, would you agree that this is the biggest flop in iOS annals for such a hugely anticipated and ambitious app? It’s Hall of Fame (Shame) worthy for its notorious place in niche music-making history. I can still hear the collective wtf.

BiancaNeve

I think it says more about the short attention span of iOS users than about the quality of the product tbh, there’s always a new shiny just round the corner

oat_phipps

Disagreed. This one was a universal wtf and I cannot remember if there was a manual, but if there was, it was totally unhelpful due to language barrier or something. I love a good manual and am always willing to learn something. This was different.

u0421793

It was roughly about the time of Modstep, also initially incomprehensible and contrary in usability

echoopera

Ahh....Modstep...how I loved you and miss you...such a great app that changed the game for me...

I remember Cream Mobile being a rather ambitious port from the desktop...but it was a strange bird there too.

https://www.kirnuarp.com/cream

Fingolfinzz

Fuck I wish modstep didn’t die

echoopera

It’s all good. We have Drambo now.

HotStrange

@oat_phipps said:
Ah, Cream. For those who’ve been around for a while, would you agree that this is the biggest flop in iOS annals for such a hugely anticipated and ambitious app? It’s Hall of Fame (Shame) worthy for its notorious place in niche music-making history. I can still hear the collective wtf.

I do remember the big letdown when it first came out. Curious how it is now after some updates. Definitely don’t NEED this one though. I’ve just heard some decent things about the desktop version.

Aud_iOS

@BiancaNeve said:
I think it says more about the short attention span of iOS users than about the quality of the product tbh, there’s always a new shiny just round the corner

I found the GUI small to work with - short of that, one of the most crash-free apps. The synth is a gem. The desktop version could be good for jumping in since it's easier to see. I think someone mentioned back then on this forum that the App didn't really need any updates, sort of a completed app - ButterSynth is in active development too, I think signup is on the Kirnu website forum. @BiancaNeve good point, seems the case here from what I remember.

HotStrange

@Aud_iOS said:

@BiancaNeve said:
I think it says more about the short attention span of iOS users than about the quality of the product tbh, there’s always a new shiny just round the corner

I found the GUI small to work with - short of that, one of the most crash-free apps. The synth is a gem. The desktop version could be good for jumping in since it's easier to see. I think someone mentioned back then on this forum that the App didn't really need any updates, sort of a completed app - ButterSynth is in active development too, I think signup is on the Kirnu website forum. @BiancaNeve good point, seems the case here from what I remember.

I don’t have a desktop at the moment but I may give it a shot. Especially since I have an Apple Pencil. It looks super interesting.

I’m on the beta for butter synth and I love it. It’s gonna be a killer for sure.

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JohnnyGoodyear

There was someone a good while back (I think he owned a noodle shop) who was very clever and helped us with Cream, but then I think they got a little impatient with us and left town.

tk32

I don't want to disparage this ambitious app in any way, but I will say that the Kirnu dev must have learned a hell of a lot of good lessons about designing apps tailored to the iOS ecosystem, touch screens, and UX since releasing this desktop port.

The upcoming Buttersynth manages to get all the things right that possibly didn't quite hit the mark with Cream. A developer that watched, listened, and learned from past experiences. For Cream fans, you might also be pleasantly surprised just how deep ButterSynth's own built-in arpeggiator is.

Plus this new one has a great manual too

NeuM

@tk32 said:
I don't want to disparage this ambitious app in any way, but I will say that the Kirnu dev must have learned a hell of a lot of good lessons about designing apps tailored to the iOS ecosystem, touch screens, and UX since releasing this desktop port.

The upcoming Buttersynth manages to get all the things right that possibly didn't quite hit the mark with Cream. A developer that watched, listened, and learned from past experiences. For Cream fans, you might also be pleasantly surprised just how deep ButterSynth's own built-in arpeggiator is.

Plus this new one has a great manual too

Is there a definitive answer as to whether or not Buttersynth will work as an AU on desktop M1 Apple Silicon computers?

tk32

@NeuM
Yes. ButterSynth works well on M1 macs.

And there are a few minor UI tweaks due that will improve it even further.

NeuM

@tk32 said:
@NeuM
Yes. ButterSynth works well on M1 macs.

And there are a few minor UI tweaks due that will improve it even further.

Thanks for that!