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So what's the deal with it mostly doing major chords? Can you not set the scale or map the notes yourself? Are we talking natural minor; does it Dorian etc?
Thanks but Thumbjam doesn't appear in chordmaps destination settings all other apps no problem .
@musikmachine the app has 10 views called maps. Each view has a preset set of chords mapped on the GUI. There's a dedicated row of buttons that appears on all maps that allows you to switch between major keys. Three of the maps allow you to switch between minor keys. Looks like the minor mode is harmonic minor. HTH.
@livemike I hate to ask but did you start TJ first? Won't show up in Chordmaps2 otherwise
Yep done that also couldn't get it to work with Animoog either other apps alchemy m3000 the iFretless apps no problem
I made a nice discovery using his iPhone app, ChordMapMidi. (I much prefer noodling on my iPhone while out and about).
It only does 1 map of Major Keys. With lots of 'out of scale' chord options to the left and right of the main map.
However I like to work in minor keys.
But, I realised that the second chord in any major scale is a minor chord. Eg second chord in C major scale is Dm. So I just thought sod it, let's just pretend I'm in the key of Dm. Then I just played around seeing which other chords on the C major map 'worked' to my ear with Dm being used as the root. Some sound in scale, some don't. But that's cool with me. There are lots to choose from. It will also play accompanying bass notes.
I recorded some progressions into Gadget (set to a scale of Dm) and there we are. Some interesting chords resolving to Dm as a start to my track. All on an iPhone.
It's not as complex as the iPad version and it doesn't do melody. But it works pretty well for what I need.
That's why i was asking about Dorian, you could just transpose to the relative ie C Major to A Minor i guess. Does it sync up well with Gadget like navichord? Thinking about getting the iphone version myself.
I've been struggling with ChordMapMidi on my iPhone SE, it was last updated in 2012, doesn't fully fit my screen, and I've found the harmonic voicing is a whole lot messier and much more of a struggle to use than the iPad version.
As much as I am a wholehearted fan of ChordMaps2, I'd recommend avoiding ChordMapMidi.
I quite like the messiness of it. There's a lot of chords on that small page.
And it syncs with Gadget on iPhone just fine.
I like the physical layout very much.
The messiness I didn't like is the way the chord progression voicings strayed quite a distance away from Common Practice Harmony.
No matter what or how or where I touched the screen, to me it just sounded pretty bad, nothing like I wanted and so very different from ChordMaps2.
This might be stating the obvious, but rather than using the second chord as your harmonic root, surely it's better to use the sixth chord. In any major key the sixth chord is going to be the relative minor, so both keys will share the same chords.
So for C major, the vi chord is A minor, and if you assume your track is in A minor the map will work with all the displayed chords.
Thank you.
. Not stating the obvious to me.
But now I think about it... I guess it is pretty obvious.
Do all the chord inversions and variations work too? I guess they would.
This is really useful.
As a side note I've noticed that the minor keys in the iPad app are the Melodic minor, not Aeolian. That's a bit annoying to me.
Yes they do. The relative minor shares all the same notes and chords as the original major.
Cool. Thanks.
So am I right that:
VI = I
VII = II
I = III
II = IV
III = V
IV = VI
V = VII
Or is it not that straight forward?
It is that straight forward yes......however.....progressions that work in the major key won't necessarily work the same in a minor key
Very often the Vth degré of the minor scale (IIIrd degre of the relative major scale) has a major 3rd instead of a minor 3rd and the natural minor scale becomes an harmonic minor scale
In the key of C major the E chord (IIIrd) is minor, but in A minor harmonic you'd play a E major chord (more tension)
please ignore this comment if you find it confusing ^^
Yes indeed, there are 3 named minor scales, Natural, Harmonic and Melodic, it is the Natural minor that is the relative of the Major
so C Major = A Natural Minor
Yeah, you can basically use any of the chords from the Natural, Harmonic and Melodic for the minor scale. Plus the V and the (less often) I from the major scale.
Yep. I'm ok with that. AKA 'aeolian'. I tend only to use that (for simplicity) and not the harmonic or melodic. But maybe I'm doing my music a disservice because of this.
Thanks. I just about get this. But as I say, I don't ever really do it. Maybe I should. But I have found that normally when apps say 'minor' they mean the natural minor so for everything to stay synced up scale/key wise, I have always stuck to the natural minor. It also makes switching from major to relative minor a bit easier for me to get my head around.
Harmonic and Melodic minor (which confusingly is the same as Harmonic Minor when you descend) tend to give you better melodic options. So choosing the right chord often comes down to how you need to harmonize the melody.
The reason you use the major V chord (or more often the V7) is that it's a dominant chord, and so it gives your chord progression somewhere to go. i -> v doesn't have the same kind of power as i -> V or I -> V
Interesting. Thanks. I'll try a compare and contrast and get a feel for it.
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I’m still in love with this midi control app!
Great shit ;-)
This is "THE" best app for chords. I would be lost when I'm making track without it. I've tried getting the Dev from XferRecords to make Culthulu Vst to come & make an iOS version.. But he's too busy unfortunately.
iPhone version not updated since 2012... buyer beware!
I've checked on the website but can't find any info so I'm sure it probably can't - can it be routed into an iPad daw like bm3 in order to record chords generated from the app either as midi or audio ?
@triton100 I just checked it going from CM2 straight into Cubasis and it recorded the MIDI fine. You just have to open Cubasis (or any other DAW) then in CM2 set the destination to Cubasis.