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  • @MonzoPro said:

    @lala said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @richardyot said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @richardyot said:
    When the government runs a surplus they are making us all poorer. They are taking money out of the economy, ie from all of us.

    When the government runs a deficit, they putting more money into the economy than they take out, which means more trade, more sales, more money for you and me.

    Doesn't seem to be working that way in the UK.

    The U.K. has been running persistent deficits for the last 15 years, which is why there is some growth. Despite the rhetoric this is also why Osborne couldn't deliver a surplus, because it would have crashed the economy.

    What growth? They might be doing well in the South East of England but the rest of the UK is fucked.

    if there would have been growth they couldn't have blamed the EU.
    It's so easy to blame the EU, it's never your own government that makes mistakes and says so.
    Hello children of the UK. You are not Europeen citizens anymore and everything imported is price up. How do you like it? ;)

    Well actually I am European - I'm eligible for an Irish passport so theoretically I can still enjoy the free movement thing when I travel.

    I think the irony in the UK is that many of the people that voted for Brexit are going to be the one's worse off as a result. The people I know who voted for it are getting hit by the price rises, job cuts, social issues and whatnot, and the shit has yet to hit the fan. The rich buggers who voted to remain might actually be better off when we leave.

    Me? I might bugger off to Ireland and leave them to it.

    I expect the same thing to happen in the USA.

  • @Tritonman said:
    The unemployment rate and those still unemployed are not the same. If you want to be serious at least get your facts straight.and again at a cost of ten trillion dollars! That is more debt than all presidents who came before combined correct?

    The important metric is the ratio of debt to the GDP. By that standard US debt is not particularly high in historical terms.

    US debt is also better than it seems because the US government is basically borrowing from itself (this is essentially what's going with quantitive easing).

  • @knewspeak said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @lala said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @richardyot said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @richardyot said:
    When the government runs a surplus they are making us all poorer. They are taking money out of the economy, ie from all of us.

    When the government runs a deficit, they putting more money into the economy than they take out, which means more trade, more sales, more money for you and me.

    Doesn't seem to be working that way in the UK.

    The U.K. has been running persistent deficits for the last 15 years, which is why there is some growth. Despite the rhetoric this is also why Osborne couldn't deliver a surplus, because it would have crashed the economy.

    What growth? They might be doing well in the South East of England but the rest of the UK is fucked.

    if there would have been growth they couldn't have blamed the EU.
    It's so easy to blame the EU, it's never your own government that makes mistakes and says so.
    Hello children of the UK. You are not Europeen citizens anymore and everything imported is price up. How do you like it? ;)

    Well actually I am European - I'm eligible for an Irish passport so theoretically I can still enjoy the free movement thing when I travel.

    I think the irony in the UK is that many of the people that voted for Brexit are going to be the one's worse off as a result. The people I know who voted for it are getting hit by the price rises, job cuts, social issues and whatnot, and the shit has yet to hit the fan. The rich buggers who voted to remain might actually be better off when we leave.

    Me? I might bugger off to Ireland and leave them to it.

    That's the spirit, thanks for the fish, and chips, I'm off. :o

    Don't.

  • @Fruitbat1919 : Yeah, I did a little. Being that I'm second generation holocaust survivor , the Hitler comparisons rile me a little. That said I would vote "YAY" on a COMPLETE BAN on discussing politics on here.

  • @ExAsperis99 said:

    Yes, our long national nightmare of a rebounding economy, historically low unemployment and universal healthcare is almost over.

    None of this is true. Don't get me wrong I wish it were, but what we got was the slowest recovery since the depression (by a considerable margin), a collapse in the working population, while the recovery has mostly been in part time low quality McJobs. The healthcare reforms made some things better, but they healthcare system is still horribly broken and expensive. And the US is forcing poor people to buy insurance that they can't afford to use.

    One of the reasons that the Democrats lost was that they believed their propaganda. Telling someone who's struggling that they've never had it so good - not likely to win you many votes.

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @richardyot said:
    When the government runs a surplus they are making us all poorer. They are taking money out of the economy, ie from all of us.

    When the government runs a deficit, they putting more money into the economy than they take out, which means more trade, more sales, more money for you and me.

    Doesn't seem to be working that way in the UK.

    The Tories are doing the opposite of this. Which unless the economy is booming causes debt to rise. Austerity doesn't work.

  • Is it supposed to rhyme with something else? Cuz.......it does. ;)

  • @cian :Despite my protests to posting about politics on here, I must give you a "like" on this one, being that your views are in such a miniroty arou d here. I agree 100%.

  • @ksound said:

    @firejan82 said:
    Wasn't @Patric_Bateman banned for like way less than this shit?

    He was banned for making personal attacks, no? Also, alt-right fanboys are overusing the snowflake thing.

    Doubleplus that!
    I think there is a great deal of projection at work with their accusations of "snowflake"
    They are the ones who seem to be particularly delicate. Or maybe they are just barking parrots? Who knows? Who cares?

  • edited January 2017

    @High5denied said:

    Is it supposed to rhyme with something else? Cuz.......it does. ;)

    I don't get it. If it's sleazy tell me. :D

  • @cian said:

    One of the reasons that the Democrats lost was that they believed their propaganda. Telling someone who's struggling that they've never had it so good - not likely to win you many votes.

    Right. Lie to them. Tell them they're only struggling because of people who look different and worship differently, and you're going to round up all these people and deport them as soon as you win, and then everything is going to be great, wonderful, the best.

    What could possibly go wrong?

  • @cian said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @richardyot said:
    When the government runs a surplus they are making us all poorer. They are taking money out of the economy, ie from all of us.

    When the government runs a deficit, they putting more money into the economy than they take out, which means more trade, more sales, more money for you and me.

    Doesn't seem to be working that way in the UK.

    The Tories are doing the opposite of this. Which unless the economy is booming causes debt to rise. Austerity doesn't work.

    The only austerity measures being applied in the U.K. are ones directed at the worse off, and public services such as the NHS and education. The wealthy have never had it so good.

  • @InjectorGadget said:
    It is kinda hilarious to see threads get closed, people get banned when someone from the right takes over the discussion. As long as the narrative of the thread aligns with the leftist mainstream, @Sebastian seems to be fine with it.

    Well, I think he objects to ad hominem attacks and bigotry, mostly.

  • edited January 2017

    @InjectorGadget said:
    It is kinda hilarious to see threads get closed, people get banned when someone from the right takes over the discussion. As long as the narrative of the thread aligns with the leftist mainstream, @Sebastian seems to be fine with it.

    That's not true. Threads are closed when they get personal, and nasty. Most of us are able to talk through our differences in a civilised manner - we can learn a lot from others with opposing views.

    It's the 2% that spoil it for everyone else. Nothing to do with 'left' or 'right'.

  • @InjectorGadget said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @InjectorGadget said:
    It is kinda hilarious to see threads get closed, people get banned when someone from the right takes over the discussion. As long as the narrative of the thread aligns with the leftist mainstream, @Sebastian seems to be fine with it.

    Well, I think he objects to ad hominem attacks and bigotry, mostly.

    I'm pretty sure he explicitly asks to resort to facebook for political discussions. (If the left side is losing the discussion like the election)

    Again, attacking the person rather than the argument.

  • edited January 2017

    @InjectorGadget said:

    It is kinda hilarious to see threads get closed, people get banned when someone from the right takes over the discussion. As long as the narrative of the thread aligns with the leftist mainstream, Sebastian seems to be fine with it.

    Gee you have strange views of the world.
    You don't need to have any political agenda to call shit shit.
    That's not left or right wing, it's general human decency.

  • @ExAsperis99 said:
    @InjectorGadget said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @InjectorGadget said:
    It is kinda hilarious to see threads get closed, people get banned when someone from the right takes over the discussion. As long as the narrative of the thread aligns with the leftist mainstream, @Sebastian seems to be fine with it.

    Well, I think he objects to ad hominem attacks and bigotry, mostly.

    I'm pretty sure he explicitly asks to resort to facebook for political discussions. (If the left side is losing the discussion like the election)

    Again, attacking the person rather than the argument.

    +1

  • not that I really mind it, it's always interesting to hear other people's thoughts, but at the end of the day the question is still "why the Audiobus forum"?

  • @DD829 said:
    .

    Why don't you just not read the thread? Did he attack you personally?

  • edited January 2017

    @Telstar5 said:
    What both Beathoven , firejan82 , (as well as Tritonman's funny snowflake comment) said. We come here as a respite from this political garbage on Facebook. Besides I'm the son of holocaust survivors. If you're comparing Trump to Hitler, you're cheapening the holocaust and know nothing about it. . Musicians talking about politics is akin to politicians talking about misic. Besides , Trump is a huge fan of Auria Pro and Modstep.

    Agree. But there should be no problem discussing politics. The problem is that most people don't listen anymore to each other, or even worse they are shouting without any arguments. And go even a step further and think they have the right to riot and kill for a certain cause #polarization

    @db909 said:
    not that I really mind it, it's always interesting to hear other people's thoughts, but at the end of the day the question is still "why the Audiobus forum"?

    Forums are just hangouts. People chit-chat. We are a community of people from all over the world and some are just curious. As said in earlier response, no problem as long as discussions and responses are not aggressive.

  • **The unshakeable belief, that you, and only you have the moral highground, and everything you do is justified.
    **

    Inspector Gadget: Do you have a mirror handy, by any chance?

  • @InjectorGadget said:

    The dangers of Islam are real, and have to be addressed. You truly believe in your "cause" and would willingly import a fascist ideology named Islam, that would erase all of the freedoms you enjoy today.

    Buddy, you are way out of line with that ugliness. Over the line, really. Not sure where you hail from, but here's you a red card/game misconduct/ejection.

  • Not meant to be clever, just a way of giving pause. There's a lot of talk among the left of adopting the Tea Party tactic of never compromising, which I find as dangerous as it is appealing.

  • @InjectorGadget said:
    The dangers of Islam are real, and have to be addressed.

    The dangers of Islam :tired_face:
    So you are afraid of mad men hiding behind religion and you blame religion,
    how very clever of you.

  • @InjectorGadget said:

    Coming from someone with an Avatar that would do well in the circles of ISIS, i'm not all that concerned.

    I think you might want to brush up on your Texas history before you start knocking our old flags, unless you WANT people to think you're ignorant as well as intolerant.

  • @DD829 said:
    Homo

    Good for you! Hetero, myself.

  • @InjectorGadget said:
    It is kinda hilarious to see threads get closed, people get banned when someone from the right takes over the discussion. As long as the narrative of the thread aligns with the leftist mainstream, @Sebastian seems to be fine with it.

    @InjectorGadget said:
    It is kinda hilarious to see threads get closed, people get banned when someone from the right takes over the discussion. As long as the narrative of the thread aligns with the leftist mainstream, @Sebastian seems to be fine with it.

    @InjectorGadget said:
    It is kinda hilarious to see threads get closed, people get banned when someone from the right takes over the discussion. As long as the narrative of the thread aligns with the leftist mainstream, @Sebastian seems to be fine with it.

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