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Yeah that's how I used it. The 3 loopers on right for sound pads and the left loopers for slider.
Has there been talk about state saving before?
I get the impression that Rob has developed this app as much for his own purposes, as much as anything. I think he very much knows what he's doing and I'm not surprised he's hacked off by incessant whinging.
I actually rally like the update. When I put it on auto it does everything like before automatically so I'm actually quite happy. Thanks Mr. developer!
I think perhaps many of the things people on the Audiobus forum like to do with apps might be quite a bit different from the larger audience for his app especially given the type of feedback he's received on his site. There can be a clash between what people who are using it for generating ambient music in a user friendly way versus those who want to have more control over what the app does.
I can see how people want to share their opinions about what they like/don't like about an app and how not every developer is going to be able to take it with a grain of salt.
I don't think the op did anything wrong by creating the thread and my suggestion is that if developers don't have a very thick skin, they might want to have someone else filter the feedback for them.
Had a nice play with the new update. I don't actually miss the extra 2 loopers much, and the new sounds are great. Overdubbing loopers works for me.
I personally don't care about the timer though, and the suggestion to be able to toggle on/off a 5 looper setup for those who want it, sounds like a great solution.
I'm ok with just IAA, and I'm not sure how link would work or benefit a soundscape anyway.
So, for me... if the dev can deliver on AudioShare import of samples instead of iTunes file sharing, I'll be set.
Agree!
I suppose it's now too late for the dev to see this, but this is the only place I will post my opinion on this. I do use this app a lot, and not for 'live' performance. I generally work out a fairly complete well-timed arrangement of what I want to do & hear, often with my own samples, and record this performance combined with other apps using AUM.
Although I can see the value of the new features, I do miss the extra loopers. I would use one for sliders, and one for left-side pads only. Like others here, I dL'ed too soon without reading about the update first, now I wish I could go back. There must be a compromise somewhere...maybe restore one looper, & sort out a way to put the timer function elsewhere...? I dunno, it's not my baby, but this will definitely change how (often) I use this app.
Think I will be sticking with the loopers as the timer wouldn't really be of any use to me, the other new tool sounds interesting but ultimately not a great trade off in terms of how I use the app.
To reference the great poet Joe Elliott - and since my apps auto-update anyway - this one has me feeling much more "Let It Go" than "High 'n Dry." Certainly well short of "Bringing On The Heartbreak."
That in aces !!!
From what I can see so far from the response for the update here, it differs to the mostly positive feedback the Dev said he's had personally - with a roughly 50/50 split of opinion, and many saying they wish they hadn't updated the app.
While it's obviously not the response he'd hoped, it's important (and free) feedback and unlike App Store ratings, feedback he can interact with.
Always good to listen and engage with your customers if you get the chance.
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Incessant winging? I thought it was peeps who had bought and supported the app expressing dissatisfaction.
Hi Folks...
On reflection, I think I owe the majority of you a measured response, and apology for letting certain remarks and participants on this forum get to me.
I think the best single piece of advice I've ever had from another independent developer before I embarked on this journey was "develop a seriously thick skin". That's something that clearly still needs some work
Moving on...
So... loopers recap. The quick and easy way for me to add 2 new functions without major UI re-layout work was to sacrifice a couple of loopers. I felt nervous about doing this, asked on the FB page, emailed a few of my users and the few that responded seemed to consider it a fair exchange for the new features - one of which is really popular. Sorry, I know you serious guys don't need a timer, but I was getting 2-3 emails a week for that. You'd be surprised how many of my users only use the app in auto-play mode as it helps them sleep, meditate and generally relax, etc., etc. They find a timer incredibly useful in that context. I can't say for sure, but I think that profile represents a significant proportion of my users. My guess would be 80%.
So... I thought I'd take the risk, release the new features with 2 loopers dropped and add a release note along the lines of "if this is a big deal - let me know and I'll work on a solution in a future release". I thought that seemed reasonable.
I guess the issue as I see it, is that every time I update the app, it turns into a discussion about what I didn't add. And more often than not, that gets heated, and due to my lack of the aforementioned thick skin - rather upsetting for me personally.
In summary, I have an interesting challenge with my apps relating to how I make / keep my users happy. From the feedback I get, I have the let's say 80% who really don't care about MIDI or Audiobus and probably don't even know / care what they are. They like the app because it's simple and they'd like it to stay that way. I had one user complain that adding additional moods was too complicated - this was back when the app only had "light" and "dark" moods. Then I have the, say 30% - let's call these people - "you guys"
and the iPad Musicians FB crowd. You guys want all the bells and whistles that you've come to expect from a "pro" music app and I don't think that's unreasonable.
So the challenge is that I have at least two very different kinds of users pulling the app in two very different directions. I also acknowledge that it's a problem of my own making with "you guys" in so much as I've been up-front and honest about features that are being considered for future versions of moodscaper. Several developers warned me it was a big mistake to do that and I'm inclined to agree with hindsight. It sets expectations and it means that every single release becomes a disappointment for someone because it doesn't contain a feature they feel they were promised. Then people get frustrated.
Sorry about that.
. I'm still not really sure about the best way to solve this problem, but I can assure you I'm spending a lot of time thinking about it. Peace.
PS. I'm also thinking about a way of having additional loopers restored. I've had enough feedback now to convince me that was a bad move.
@moodscaper
Hi Rob, thx for Your App And Your Work an it. Its Really Nice to have.
A win to have you here!
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FWIW. Nobody here is or ever has been against you or your excellent apps. Quite the reverse. Also, as we all know, it is oh so easy to read something written down, and take it the wrong way. We've all done it.
ISTM, the solution is straightforward, if you can find the time. Develop a separate Pro version, with all the features IOS musicians have been requesting. I for one would happily stump up the cash for that.
Welcome back, and no hard feelings.
Thanks guys, much appreciated. Looks like I've a few bugs / "features" to sort out this weekend - oops. I'm going to see if I can do something about the loopers too. So there'll probably be a v1.9.9a out soon.
The pro version was pretty much the original idea from the early days when moodscaper was iPhone only, but I don't want to upset existing users who were expecting some of this stuff as free updates as I'd promised. Maybe a compromise would be a "modest" IAP for the pro stuff. Still not sure about that so suggestions most welcome.
Anyway, I'd like to get some quick fixes / tweaks out in the meantime, which should hopefully address concerns about the missing loopers if I can figure out a reasonably simple approach without complicating the interface too much.
Thanks guys
Fair play for coming back with a perfectly reasonable response to why you reacted the way you did. I went from "I love this dev" to "He's a jerk" (She? Hey, I dunno could happen) to "I'd totally pay for a modest IAP for some geeky features" in record time.
Being a developer of software I understand how difficult it is to please a broad userbase and I wish you well finding a compromise.
Great app btw, top manual too. There are very few I enjoy reading from start to finish. It's hard to inject some lightness into such a dry subject but you did it well.
Whatever works for you, financially.
Pro version;
AudioBus 3
Link
Import .wav from AudioShare
AU
Midi in and out
If I could get Moodscaper accompanying other apps via AUM, perhaps in multiple AU instances, that sounds marvellous in my head. I feel sure others here will have constructive suggestions, and be happy to buy functionality.
I'm probably on both groups you mentioned. The timer is really good to have although not a must for me as I got used to using the iphones alarm after what happened to me. After a hard day at the office going back home on the metro train I literally passed out so relaxed with moodscaper. It truly helps me get home renewed that I missed my train stop. So having a timer would help. But again no biggie if it's removed or if it's made as an option in settings.
Either watt we are extremely grateful for all your hard work and time spent on making this app even better!
Wishing you a great and prosperous new 2017!
@moodscaper Nicely done mate, whatever your development choices are (for they are your choices
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Hi Guys, please share your thoughts on this possible revision. You'll probably have to read the full description for it to make sense. I promise not to take any comments personally
@moodscaper
yes that looks very good and is the kind of thing I was imagining (doubling up some buttons).
Would be happy with that personally.
To confirm, both effects could still function at the same time yes? It is not one or the other.
All for a "pro features" IAP.
@moodscaper Thank you for coming back and explaining to us where you were coming from with the app.
My opinion is that you'd be better off focusing on one set of customers at a time and it sounds like the current app has found an audience among those who are interested in using it with a minimum of setup for the purpose of listening to relaxing music rather than people wanting to use it in a music creation workflow.
I think trying to please both sets of customers even via an IAP or trying to compromise the GUI to satisfy both needs will be an exercise in frustration. You'd be better off getting feedback on what musicians would want to do with the app and see if that's something you'd like to take on or not by developing a new app. With an IAP you could risk alienating your existing users if they decide to buy the IAP only to discover it's too complicated nor anything they'd really want to use. An IAP to add new sounds would make more sense in this context rather than adding musician controls.
I think the video would have been more informative if you'd added narration about what you were doing as you did it (this could still be added).
Fair comment, but I disagree on this.
What advice would you offer him?
Here's what I suggested:
My 2 cents...
Leave the current version of Moodscaper as the "pro" version. No charge for "pro" IAPs. Maybe raise the price a little. Then, release a version that is slightly more stripped down than current version. A "lite" easy, version, without the complicated custom stuff, but don't call it "lite" so that it doesn't sound like an inferior version. Give the new, meditation, relaxation, mood, easy-use version a creative name... something along the lines of "Moodscaper Lavender" or something like that. You get the idea.
Charge around $5 for the "Moodscaper Lavender" version, and charge in the $8-$10 range for "Moodscaper Professional" version. Only don't gouge us early adopters.
Offer an upgrade from "Lavender to Professional" in the form of a bundled discount for those who later decide they want more "pro" control and complexity.
This approach gets you early adopters feeling like they got in early on a more expensive app, singing your praise, and continuing to spread the word to new users. This also gets you more revenue from the current "Pro" version in the form of a higher price. This also gets you more revenue from those who just want the relaxing, meditation sound generator with a simpler interface as a second app to sell.
What Skip said!
A very nice solution.
I agree with your disagreement.
The nature of any IAP, if that is the route chosen, can be made clear. Few are going to accidentally buy something if it's features are properly explained.
A full on Pro version in the App Store would instantly separate the fun app from a music making tool, if Rob has the time and inclination.
Perhaps I'm too pessimistic about human nature and paranoid some stressed out person would buy the app, decide they want even more relaxation, buy the IAP assuming it's more of the same, become confused, angry, and write a bad review about how the IAP is a money grab with features that don't work which will turn off potential customers who read said review and instead buy the music relaxation app which doesn't have reviews dragging it down.
On the other hand, people who like the app may be encouraged to support and defend the developer by posting good reviews to counteract the bad ones. The current version of the app has only one review and it's negative citing the removal of two of the loopers and recommended skipping the update. The reviewer could have read the update text which detailed the looper reduction and avoided it before updating and given the developer direct feedback rather than a negative review but didn't despite taking the time to post a review after updating. The people who requested the clock feature haven't posted a review thanking the developer for adding it nor has anybody thanked him for the new Sympathetic keys control either.