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No he is not proto .that is not really true is it?
Yeah I'm sorry, lol. Can't stand people complaining about a rich sounding synth for only 2,99 and say it's rubbish/crap only checking a few presets. My mistake.:)
Thanks a little at least. Lol. I did not pick it up because of the weak demos actually though.
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Good thing you mentioned about the aliasing, it can really ruin a synth. I have seen it as a problem with few ipad synths. I think many people cant hear it since they arent using proper monitoring and therefore see some synth as good, even tho it has some horrible aliasing ruining the whole thing when listening with better monitors. Also its a lot easier to tell a good synth from a bad one when using proper monitoring. With bad monitors, some crappy digital synth can sound as good as some hardware moog for example.
I have noticed that people praising pretty much anything has become a trend. Tines for example has some pretty bad aliasing and in general sounds like crap(okay i can get some one or two decent tones out of it, and ofc the amount of aliasing with any synth depends on the patch), but yet people seem to praise it. Not sure if its because they use bad monitoring and cant tell crap electric piano from a good one, or if they just havent heard enough good electric pianos to really compare tines to anything properly.
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@ToMess @Looping_Loddar To turn this into a positive can you share what iOS synths sound great on your monitors? New thread maybe?
I use one of the smaller pairs of KRK studio monitors, and while Phase84 is certainly not the most inspiring synth I've ever heard, I don't hear any of the aliasing referred to here earlier. Although I did get some distortion when I played a richly voiced Gmaj7 using the "Warm Pad" preset, but that may have just been the limitations of my smaller monitors. Definitely worth $2.99, IMO. I have no hard evidence to back this up, but I suspect most people creating and/or listening to iOS produced music are not using high-end monitoring systems. Maybe headphones, ear buds, computer speakers, lower end studio monitors (like me), or even the build in speakers on the iPad or iPhone. I.E., systems that would not make evident the "negative nuances" that some iOS synths apparently display. I would be super interested in a thread where people listed the iOS synths and apps that sound terrific on high end monitoring systems.
The Casio Phase Distortion synths also 'suffered' from aliasing. And seriously - we're comparing two synths that use completely different techniques now? If you don't like digital synthesizers (or know how to use them) don't buy them.
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It's Phase Distortion. If you're using the filter you're doing it wrong. Play around with waveform and resonation modulation.
You probably just need to knock the volume down on the synth. Each note increases the amplitude. Add enough notes and it will distort.
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Sorry, there are LOTS of great and good sounding synth apps out there. It is very untypical that i get negative about a product or a synth. My last purchases: Samplr (its not a synth, but really great) and Troublemaker (yes: great).
Maybe the people who dont like my negative view for Phase84 should really hear the "perc" sounds of Phase84 and tell me if this is NOT a bad joke. Can you use sounds like this for your music??
Hey, and please dont even consider to compare Phase84 with a CZ synth. Yes, there are issues with the sound quality of a CZ hardware synth (noise, aliasing, etc.), but a CZ synth can offer you lots of interesting or even rich sounds. Phase84 is not able to do 1 percent of what a CZ hardware synth can offer. Phase84 is far sub standard and i would say most (!!) of the offerings of free VST synths (made with synth edit or such) have a better sound!! Just add the delay of Phase84 and the gate presets.
Sorry: Phase84 is pure crap (beside the delay fx, the pwm sounds and gate fx). It is NOT versatile. Clean your ears!
Hey, and show me your best music, which uses some of these EXTREMELY BAD "perc" sounds...
No, you cant. It is quite impossible. Try it if you like!
Harsh.
Well first i want to remind you that i did not say that this synth is bad or sounds bad, your response seem like i was bashing this synth. That other guy said that it suffers from strong aliasing and i said that aliasing is bad, and perhaps not audible in low end monitoring, hence many people wouldnt notice it.
I do like poison 202 a lot, even tho it also suffers from some aliasing(in certain patches more than others and obviously isnt audible in low notes). Another great synth is model 15, it can get a bit of aliasing as well, however its very minimal and only barely noticeable in some really high notes in high pitched patches. It does come a bit more apparent when you play more than one of those notes. I dont care to list all of the ones i like because there are so many of them.
Im starting to think that all software synths suffer from aliasing(all of the ones i now tested do), but some much more than others. And as i mentioned, its only audible on some really high voices.
@Looping_Loddar
Maybe the people who dont like my negative view for Phase84 should really hear the "perc" sounds of Phase84 and tell me if this is NOT a bad joke. Can you use sounds like this for your music??
I feel there's more to my musical life than percussion sounds.
Hey, and please dont even consider to compare Phase84 with a CZ synth.
You went off in a rant about aliasing and I pointed out that the CZ synths also had aliasing issues. Which seems, I dunno, relevant?
Yes, there are issues with the sound quality of a CZ hardware synth (noise, aliasing, etc.), but a CZ synth can offer you lots of interesting or even rich sounds.
In the hands of someone who knows what they're doing, sure. Though careful with the filter on the CZ series, I hear it's not up to your high standards (joke).
Phase84 is not able to do 1 percent of what a CZ hardware synth can offer. Phase84 is far sub standard and i would say most (!!) of the offerings of free VST synths (made with synth edit or such) have a better sound!! Just add the delay of Phase84 and the gate presets.
This is stupid and makes me wonder if the problem here is that you just don't know how to use a Phase Distortion synth. Yes Phase84 is not able to do certain things that a CZ could do (it has fewer oscillators, sort of), but it can also do a bunch of things that the CZ couldn't do (LFOs! Groove gate! Unison mode! Way More modulation!). Having not used a CZ I couldn't say if these differences make it 30% less capable, or 30% more capable. Mostly these just seem like things that would make them different.
Hey, and show me your best music, which uses some of these EXTREMELY BAD "perc" sounds...
Again with the perc sounds. We get it - this isn't the drum machine you were looking for.
@Looping_Loddar
You only talk about the 9 percussion presets, but what about the stabs,leads, basses and chords etc (the other 90 presets). I dont think this synth is made to create percussion sounds at all, but its very good for creating phased strings,leads and fat bass sounds. You also try to compare a cz hardware synth to a 2,99/10 dollar app and only talk about the 9 percussion presets ( and yes they do suck) which is not completely fair. Personally i dont use/buy synths to create percussion sounds at all because i like acoustic drum sounds. At the end its all about personal taste and what you want to achieve using a synth.
Actually on some 'digital' synths it gives them a character that some musicians now like. It sounds bad with 'analog' sounds. Depending upon what you're after it can be bad with 'digital' sounds. In much the same way that distortion can be a problem, or exactly what you're looking for.
It's hard to avoid entirely. Oversampling and clever programming can help. But there's a tradeoff between resources and how much you let through. The synthesizers that do the best job also tend to bring your computer to a halt. The toughest problems for programmers are things like modulation/sync.
In practice it probably doesn't matter most of the time as noone listens to a synth in isolation. A little bit of aliasing probably won't make it through the mix.
I should add to the last bit - particularly if you low cut, or brickwall, the synth.
Would it be fair to say, that this synth engine is a really good one, with lots of sound sculpting possibilities, a great sounding phase distortion engine, outstanding filter, fast and powerful envelopes, no crackling and aliasing at all, lots of fun and more than 1000 fascinating, great sounds?
Sorry, it would be a bad lie.
1) They are about 10 percent of the presets. This is quite a lot. I think, usually, percussion sounds are a good test for a synth engine. Really. This engine is not capable to offer percussion or drum sounds - and the offerings are quite ridiculous. It is not a sign for a good synth engine when such extremely poor sounds are part of the presets.
This says to us: This synth is not capable at all, when the developer is in need to add presets like this...
2) No, sorry, i have a different view: Even the string sounds suffer. Have you played a c4 or c5 (or such) notes with these sounds? They dont offer anything useful for me, sorry. I hear aliasing in a very ugly way. And, sorry, where did you hear "fat bass sounds"??? And yes, some of the lead sounds are useful (even without the delay), especially with usage of the gate presets. But, sorry, they are not special and even the useful sounding presets sound cheap and without personality.
Just like an ugly free synthedit synthesizer. This is the best, this thing can offer.
3) My opinion: Someone has to have a really bad taste if he tested this synth intensively and then he thinks that it is a good and useful one. Sorry. For less money you will get the addictive microSynth and it outcompetes Phase84 in every aspect.
Dont buy this crap!
Whoa there hoss. No one's claiming it to be a world beater, but for $10 you get a solid, pretty good synth. I'm almost drunk enough to take you up on your 'use the perc sounds in a song' challenge. Maybe I'll get there, maybe I'll nap. Zzzz
Just pulled it out, think I can do a really cool Days of Thunder soundtrack outtake with this
@Looping_Loddar
Amen and now go buy some expensive hardware synths and stop complaining about your wasted 2,99 dollar. You hate it and i like it a lot. Peace.
10 dollars again now. Still would not be a bad price if it sounded better really. I may have heard worse for sure. But not tempted with it given the price bump.
@Looping_Loddar was looking for a synthesizer with good presets and this is not that synthesizer. (S)he does not know how to program PhaseDistortion synths, got mad that stuff that works with a subtractive synth didn't work out. If you're looking for a conventional synthesizer, or a preset machine, do not buy it.
My own take:
If you want a Casio style Phase Distortion synth it's reasonable, but be prepared to work at it. There are more useful synths I'd buy first. And I don't think it's up to Olly Larkin's emulation of the CZs.
@Looping_Loddar I am guessing that while your English is very good, perhaps it is not your mother tongue and thus your opinions on this are coming across a little more violently/vulgarly than you intend.
Loosing it now. Lol