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so there is lots of advice out there in other threads!
To summarize, is it safe to say that results will be best with Auria, even with just the basic app?
It seems like the trade off is the learning curve and that it feels more like "studio work" rather than the EDM star "good times making music" that you might get from using a more simple/ easy to use DAWs?
That's an interesting way to put it, but studio work is what I want from it. My whole album was mixed on it, it's streaming at shutterwax.com if you'd like to hear. Tracks were imported as stems from reaper, songs ranged from 18-40 or so tracks (including tracks run through sends into audiobus effects and recorded back in.
For what it's worth, I don't find auria very complicated to use (technically I mean, making good mixes is more than just knowing the daw and that I am eternally working on!) and the manual is excellent should you find yourself lost.
@Hmtx yes, the base app will likely help you produce better mixes. I mean, a tool is a tool and you have to learn it to get the most out of it. That is to say, Auria isn't a silver bullet or anything. But the quality of the included plugins, the ability to bus/group channels and extremely comprehensive automation means you've got a good shot at a good mix. I've never used Cubasis or Meteor so I can't really compare but I'd say Auria sonically compares very well with ProTools and Logic (though certainly doesn't come close to either in total features, natch).
It supports Audiobus and IAA so if you already have effects app, you can integrate them into your mix.
@mrufino1 said
wow, sounds like I need to crawl back into my Sony MDR-V6's and play around with Bebot (and leave the pro audio to others). ;-)
Really though, there is bound to be a day where I will have the space/ time/ need to dive into completing a song. I think I'll be glad if I have Auria when that day comes. Thanks for the input guys
Keep in mind the tracks are live players in a room, imported from my daw. I just did a electro pop type track as a demo for our upcoming sessions using nanostudio and am now in the process of transferring the tracks to auria. I'm on vacation so I don't have my laptop, meaning I'm mixing 1 track at a time, into pasteboard, into audio share, converting some to mono, then will import them in auria. That may be my mixing project for the plane ride tomorrow. In trying to create this track , I have gained a lot of respect for electronic producers.
That was a long post that meandered to say that if you can create good content then auria is the way to mix it that would be most comparable to doing it at a studio or on a computer. But, people have made amazing music on all sorts of platforms. But auria isn't hard to learn even though it may have more options than other apps. However, I think it's hard to use any tool well and that comes only with practice, effort, and time.
@mrufino1 Perhaps you already know but you can do a Mixdown of each mixer channel all at once in NS. (Manage->Mixdown->Output=Mixer Channels)
It'll store each mixer channel bounce to /Mixdowns. It will also copy up to 11 of them to the clipboard if you check the box but since the Sonoma Pasteboard doesn't work in iOS7, I'm not sure you can get at them all that way. You can go to a TRG pad and tap load. Navigate up to /Mixdowns/your-song and then you can copy them to the clipboard one by one to paste into Auria or Audioshare.
Oh , cool, I will do that then, didn't think if doing it from a trg. I still need to make some mono though. I did a mix of the first 12 channels and was going to save another copy of the song with those channels removed to get the rest. Either way, it's still going to take a little time! But it is a great tip , thank you.
It has been mentioned often that Auria is worth getting because of the quality of the plug-ins. Is there a complete list of the plug-ins available somewhere? I had no luck with Google and iTunes Store only lists 10.
Does automation work like for example in Tabletop or Gadget where it records all you doing with the parameters or do you have to draw it in?
Pretty good demo here from Anthony Alves which shows automation.
http://www.auriaapp.com/Products/auria#AuriaFeatureList shows features and some of the add-ons
@mrufino1 said:
Yeah. It's weird that NS has this nice file system but you have to kind of fake it to get to it, in this case via trg pad (or eden sample load... same thing). I've requested a few times there there be a generic link to it's file system from the manage page. Maybe in NS2.
Yeah, it's an ugh for sure. Audiobus is awesome but man what I wouldn't give for a 'copy multitrack to the clipboard' standard of some sort. The Sonoma clipboard supported 11 tracks and NS was one of the few apps that supported copy/paste of all 11 in one swoop; it was pretty sweet. Might be a little more seamless to paste them all into Auria first and then use the 'Open in audioshare' thing to convert the ones you need to convert.
Thanks @thinds. So I can automate multiple instances of Turnado and WOW... I guess I should purchase while the sale is on.
Yea, both record and draw works. And yes, automating multiple instances is Turnado is pretty sweet. Especially with a DAW like Auria that allows really, really fine and detailed editing of things like automation.
Edit: Here's a list of the currently available plugins (IR Packs, GOG packs, Loop packs, video addon etc not included).
@ChrisG I have the Micro, Pro-Q, Saturn, Timeless and Volcano along with the other standard issues, anything in the rest of the list you would consider 'must have'?
@JohnnyGoodyear said:
I find Drumagog pretty useful, as well as Pro C and Pro L (Pro L has to be treated gently though, because it can really push things very far).
Overloud is good as well, nice tones and great for reamping guitars or even synths. I also like Old Timer and Microwarmer for compression, and finally Pianoverb for it's sheer strangeness.
Micro warmer, old timer
Micro warmer without a doubt, old timer is not "must have" in that there are already compressors in the channel strip that are great, but old timer is different.
I don't have pro-c though, that may cover all bases (basses too) by itself. I also have channel comp, which I like as well ( the bias knob does something very cool to the sound) even though the gain reduction meter is still not working. But had pro c existed first I might be saying the same about that.
Depending on your needs, drumagog is great too. I used it to replace or bulk up some less than stellar drum tracks I recorded years ago. I didn't have to use it on more recent mixes because the drummer we now have could make cardboard boxes sound incredible with one mic on them 50 feet away. So rather than drumagog, hire Frank. Since he's not on the plugin list though...
@JohnnyGoodyear said:
What are you missing when you record or mix in Auria?
@mrufino1and @richardyot Thanks for the responses. Food for thought.
@suyrupcore Great question and one I ask myself just about every time I mix. I am the man stood before an abstract piece of art with a confused look on his face muttering "I may not know much about art, but I know what I like...."
Having watched some of the YT pieces on the Auria plugs, I am in awe of what they can do in more experienced (or subtle or patient) hands than mine.
My original question was based on the fact that blindly working by feel with the ones I have already produced stuff far better and more interesting (law of unintended consequences and all) than I can do without and this leads me to worrying I might have missed an essential option that's right there in front of my nose.
And a good trance gate (most of what I'm working on right now is trying to find out what happens when Iceland meets old school Texan honkytonk guitar).
Overall, I know: Hire Frank. My new synonym for that pixie dust that's surely just around the next corner...
@JohnnyGoodyear said:
There are far more knowledgeable people here when it comes to mixing and mastering, but if we are speaking mixing related plugs, I would add one of the compressors (unless you find the PSPs built in channel strips does the job you need of course). Compressors/expanders all have their own flavor to them. I like PSPs small OldTimer comp, altho FabFilters compressors have far far more options and controls etc. Also, Pro-L can really work some magic on raising levels quite aggressively while still keeping the mix transparent, fluffy etc. But again, if you find that the built in brick wall limiter in Auria is good enough for your needs, it might be a lot of cash to throw away (but really, the pro-L is pretty amazing:). If you need a better gate/expander then the one provided in the channel strips, the Pro-G obviously does an amazing job here.
I really like the 3 DCAM dynamics processors. They can get pretty aggressive, squashy, slammy etc really easy, which I like. The transient sculpting dcam is a good tool to have around.
I think the above advice, that asking yourself what, or if, you need this or that is a really good advice. If you ask me, I'm just gonna go "grab'em all" 'cause I'm a plugin-oholic and a appoholic.
Edit: I forgot about MicroWarmer. It's just a really great plug, that will spice up anything, single channels or entire mixes, in really subtle ways or aggressive. It's just one of those saturation/ dynamics plugs that will work on any material. I don't think anyone that's bought it is disappointed with that one.
Good stuff @ChrisG. I have a feeling we may be 'brothers under the skin(ful)' when it comes to this Christmas morning of available apps we currently find ourselves living amongst.
Along with rocket cars, if you'd have mentioned to me back in 1976 when I was first set free from suburbia by the possibilities of punk that my future would involve being excited about 'transient sculpting dcam'.....well, I would have been pleasantly puzzled, I guess...
Micro warmer is amazing. I wish they made the full vintage warmer available for auria (multiband version with some other cool options).
But, even with my long statement about the plugins, auria does come with everything you'd need to make great mixes (except the talent and work ethic, I'm waiting for those in the next update).
And yes, hire Frank. A good drummer changes the whole session, in a cooler way than a bad drummer does. When I mix his tracks (shameless plug, the album is streaming at shutterwax.com) I have to do very little to them. A good drummer hitting good drums (ok, a great drummer in this case) will work every time.
Frank and pixie dust... Was just listening to a Frank Black (of ... Pixies fame) record last night.
They recorded most (all?) of the FB and the Catholics records live to two track in the studio. Absolutely no post mixing. They sound incredible.
Sounds to me like you have most of the leaning-towards-creative vs leaning-towards-problem-solving Auria plugins. There's also PSP Echo which sounds great and Turnado (if you get it, get the stand alone app which will make the auria plugin available for free) if you want more of that action.
I do find myself using a micro warmer or two on just about every mix but I've always had a chubby for its desktop counterpart and it is now a filthy crutch. Closest thing to fairy dust up there if you ask me!
Chubby and the Filthy Crutches
I know, there's a band name born every minute, but those guys would be huge in Austin...
I almost pulled the trigger on Auria the last time this sale rolled around, but didn't. (I was talked out of a Auria LE by enough people and after seeing that it is the same size but doesn't have things like track freezing, I now see why). I know there are plenty of threads indicating that it will work on iPad2 if you properly manage things. But...
I'm not a very complex user. 8-tracks are sufficient for most of the guitar & band type stuff I do, or EDM stuff with synths and drum machines just to mess around.
In terms of just recording and assembling raw tracks, I don't feel as if there would be any discernible difference between doing that in Auria versus MTDAW.
Most of the advantages related to Auria seem to be from its extensive library of plug-ins, which are both expensive, and precisely the type of thing that would cause an iPad2 to crap out.
Am I wrong here, or is this something I would really benefit from? I have no problem with $25 for something I would regularly use. My concern is that it won't work well and will end up a deleted "sunk cost" until I buy a new iPad someday.
If you're happy with what you're doing (or mostly) keep at it. The Grand Control Experiment would be to take one of your mixes and have a (good) friend run it up in Auria and see whether you're even happier thereafter. For all my interest in the pixie dust, for most of us it's the doing / flowing / making which matters most...
@syrupcore said:
Ah, then definitely visit our website to hear our cover of monkey gone to heaven, although that's our singer/ guitarist on drums, before we knew Frank. It was also pre-auria, I think I actually mixed it in ardour on Linux. So pre-Mac for me too. Recorded on a fostex vf160 (I think that's the name of it) and transferred to computer via SCSI jaz drive. How's that for vintage?!
@StormJH1 said:
It is great with what is included out if the box, so for mixing it will be the most capable potentially when used well. However, if mt daw does what you need, or any other app, then no reason to switch just to do it.
@StormJH1 said:
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Still, half off is half off. Even if you did buy it now and couldn't use it, it'll be waiting for you when you're ready.
That said, I don't even try to use it on my ipad 2. Not necessarily because I couldn't, more because my ipad 2 is like a junk drawer for software, packed to the gills with apps I haven't opened in months.
I would say at this price it would be worthwhile simply as a learning tool. Auria makes it lots of fun to learn about and to do mixing/mastering. Great mixes forever after can be thought of as a bonus. The guys at WaveMachine Labs are also very friendly and helpful.
"The guys" being Rim. He's awesome.
Rim is awesome. Chris was very helpful a couple of days ago. Just a great team of professionals. And the panel strips that come with the app will work fine with iPad 2, it's more the add-ons that can cause an iPad 2 grief. Even most of the add-on plugs work fine here, especially Pro-Q and Pro-C. I use Drumagog on everything lately. The Pro-L not so much but I can do without that most of the time anyway.
And convolution reverbs will be a no-go on iPad 2. Use AudioReverb, Ad 480 or Space via IAA instead and all is right with the world until it's time to upgrade.