TF8 for iPhone is live!

skiphunt

@ccs2 said:

@skiphunt said:

@Kkani said:

@skiphunt said:

@oat_phipps said:

@o_imseng said:
Ha ha this absolutely smokes my iPhone 5, not a single patch can be played. Anyways. Bought it to support the developer. Awesome synth. Looking forward using it on my ipad.

Im on 5s and its constantly stuttery. Had to switch to the pixelated Air 2 version. Bummer

I think there may be a bug in TF8, beyond being too much for an iPhone 5 to handle. The stuttering, and harsh distortion I'm getting from the iPhone 5 is similar to the strange behavior I got from controlling this synth via external midi when using an ipad Air 2.

On the Air 2, when I control it via GeoShred, the output is extremely loud and distorted into clipping. It's fine if I turn the volume of TF8 almost all the way down. Controlling TF8 via TC-DATA is cool, but the volume level, contrary to the normal volume setting, the output of TF8 is very low.

Via the Air 2, I noticed other weirdness controlling it from external apps the frequently produced an output that was waaaaay too hot, distorted and clipping. Most of the time I could just adjust the volume in TF8 to compensate, but the inconsistency and the amount of clipping distortion produced, sounded similar to what you get using this on an iPhone 5.

I'm going to shoot this to the dev, but I'm guessing he already knows about it by this point.

Poly mode is too much for iPhone 5,use mono for smooth playback and fix might be in next update.

Likely, but that doesn't explain the similar issues using my iPad Air 2 when controlling via external midi.

I've already messaged the dev and he's already responded that he's looking into it, and that he hadn't tested with multiple devices and/or various apps.

I think the dev is called on the forum @Lppier (greetings) - sequencing tf8 with 'midisequencer', the velocity can be seen all the way up, turning it down to mitigate. The virtual port (source) seems to be defunkt, picked up Aum's virtual (destination) to receive arp midi out, which looks to be sending monophonic only.

Yeah, there are a few things that aren't quite right yet. I don't know if there's any correlation with the distorted performance on legacy iPhones, but I bet there is.

Still, a solid first version. Sounds very good and the arp is retry sweet. Would buy again knowing what I know now, but looking forward to some refinements and fixes.

Brain

@JohnnyGoodyear said:
Most excellent for the phone-folks and we don't want to hear any more about how you're all terribly marginalized etc etc.

But-but... we are.

The significant percentage of 'iPad only' pages that pop ip in an App Store search for the latest attests to that.
I have no clue as to what kind of coding is needed to achieve landscape mode on an iPhone, but it can't be the worst coding chore one has to deal with, can it?

JohnnyGoodyear

@Brain said:

@JohnnyGoodyear said:
Most excellent for the phone-folks and we don't want to hear any more about how you're all terribly marginalized etc etc.

But-but... we are.

The significant percentage of 'iPad only' pages that pop ip in an App Store search for the latest attests to that.
I have no clue as to what kind of coding is needed to achieve landscape mode on an iPhone, but it can't be the worst coding chore one has to deal with, can it?

[Adopts scarcely credible Thatcherite voice]: Sir, you have a perfectly nice little app here. Perfectly nice. Do please enjoy your nice app graciously. Be entertained with it. Look, here are some monkeys, please be like them...

skiphunt

A bit of glitchy buginess here and there... Overall this is a pretty impressive app. The sound is very good, and the ease at getting sweetly evolving, beautiful compositions using its arp is wonderful.

I hope a tone of people buy the IAP so the dev feels compelled to iron out a few wrinkles.

Enkerli

@gusgranite said:
Looks like 17.7 MB

Ha! Nice!
Was avoiding the IAP in part because of the fear of clogging my iPhone before the big upgrades. But that’s very reasonable, and so is the price.
The Arp features are the major selling point, for me. Haven’t been really into automatically-arpeggiated sounds, in general, but this one sounds very flexible and could work with other apps. Cool!

Enkerli

@oat_phipps said:
TF7 is an FM synth, TF8 is analog-modelled.

Important point (made upon release but lost in the further communication). Sounds to me like there aren’t that many FM synth apps out there and TF7 has come up in most of my searches. But there’s quite a few for Virtual Analog. And, obviously, there’s a lot of sample-based apps (including quite a few romplers). And then, there’s the odd app based on the other synthesis methods: single-cycle (Wavetable, Vector), granular, additive, physical modelling, etc.

In the end, the actual sound may be the most important thing for most people. But part of my own fun is in “collecting” apps using different sound producing methods.

Enkerli

@skiphunt said:
Still, a solid first version. Sounds very good and the arp is retry sweet.

Yep! There are other arp apps out there, of course, but this is the first one which makes me go: “hm! there’s something to this!”. Reminds me of “rings” in Sonic Pi. As with this arp, you can reverse them, randomize them and, basically, use them to great effect in performance (through livecoding).

In fact, it’d be really neat if @Lppier could add arp stuff to the already very long list of controls which can MIDI Learn. Sounds a bit crazy, maybe, but it could really work well with the arp mode (forward, backward, pendulum…). Switching between these creates a cool effect.

Also, the arpeggio patterns help showcase those neat sounds. For those of us who are pretty lousy keyboardists, it can be hard to really test out some presets. An arp like this can really help get an idea as to what a patch may sound like in different ranges, with different velocities and such.

Makes me want to try other arpeggio-based apps, now. Maybe @Alexandernaut apps will suit my needs after all? And they were just updated…

JohnnyGoodyear

@Enkerli said:

@skiphunt said:
Still, a solid first version. Sounds very good and the arp is retry sweet.

Yep! There are other arp apps out there, of course, but this is the first one which makes me go: “hm! there’s something to this!”. Reminds me of “rings” in Sonic Pi. As with this arp, you can reverse them, randomize them and, basically, use them to great effect in performance (through livecoding).

In fact, it’d be really neat if @Lppier could add arp stuff to the already very long list of controls which can MIDI Learn. Sounds a bit crazy, maybe, but it could really work well with the arp mode (forward, backward, pendulum…). Switching between these creates a cool effect.

Also, the arpeggio patterns help showcase those neat sounds. For those of us who are pretty lousy keyboardists, it can be hard to really test out some presets. An arp like this can really help get an idea as to what a patch may sound like in different ranges, with different velocities and such.

Makes me want to try other arpeggio-based apps, now. Maybe @Alexandernaut apps will suit my needs after all? And they were just updated…

Interested to see (or hear) what you make of Fugue Machine...

JeffChasteen

Sounds quite good running on both my 6s+ and ancient iPad 2.
A winner.

Enkerli

@JohnnyGoodyear said:
Interested to see (or hear) what you make of Fugue Machine...

Been seriously considering it. It’s featured so prominently in AB screenshots that it makes me believe it must be popular in that kind of setup.
The fact that it’s iPad-only is quite a bummer, though. But it would allow me to feed my inner-Schönberg…

Halftone

Does the arp send midi out ?

skiphunt

@Halftone said:
Does the arp send midi out ?

Yes

Halftone

@skiphunt said:

@Halftone said:
Does the arp send midi out ?

Yes

Ok thanks. Damn I guess I should get this ...

skiphunt

@Halftone said:

@skiphunt said:

@Halftone said:
Does the arp send midi out ?

Yes

Ok thanks. Damn I guess I should get this ...

I have no regret.

skiphunt

@Enkerli said:

@skiphunt said:
Still, a solid first version. Sounds very good and the arp is retry sweet.

Yep! There are other arp apps out there, of course, but this is the first one which makes me go: “hm! there’s something to this!”. Reminds me of “rings” in Sonic Pi. As with this arp, you can reverse them, randomize them and, basically, use them to great effect in performance (through livecoding).

In fact, it’d be really neat if @Lppier could add arp stuff to the already very long list of controls which can MIDI Learn. Sounds a bit crazy, maybe, but it could really work well with the arp mode (forward, backward, pendulum…). Switching between these creates a cool effect.

Also, the arpeggio patterns help showcase those neat sounds. For those of us who are pretty lousy keyboardists, it can be hard to really test out some presets. An arp like this can really help get an idea as to what a patch may sound like in different ranges, with different velocities and such.

Makes me want to try other arpeggio-based apps, now. Maybe @Alexandernaut apps will suit my needs after all? And they were just updated…

I think the arp in TF8 may be my favorite of the arps I have, dedicated or built-in. It's got plenty of control if you want it, but also so easy to get good stuff without a bunch of tweaking or tutorial demos. The presets are all good, and deviating out into the unknown is a blast with its random button on various parameters.

RJB

@skiphunt said:

I think the arp in TF8 may be my favorite of the arps I have, dedicated or built-in. It's got plenty of control if you want it, but also so easy to get good stuff without a bunch of tweaking or tutorial demos. The presets are all good, and deviating out into the unknown is a blast with its random button on various parameters.

My thoughts exactly, point it at iWAVESTATION and watch the fur fly.

JohnnyGoodyear

@RJB said:

@skiphunt said:

I think the arp in TF8 may be my favorite of the arps I have, dedicated or built-in. It's got plenty of control if you want it, but also so easy to get good stuff without a bunch of tweaking or tutorial demos. The presets are all good, and deviating out into the unknown is a blast with its random button on various parameters.

My thoughts exactly, point it at iWAVESTATION and watch the fur fly.

Oooooh. Now there's trouble. Thanks for the nudge....

Tarekith

Really nice sounding app, though I have to admit I was coming here to see if I was missing something with the knobs. Sideways only seems weird on a vertically laid out GUI. I kept trying to drag up and down to change the values. Other than that (major) wish from me, I think it's really great sounding and pretty simple to use.

(please fix the knobs though, this is a PITA to adjust as it is now)

aaronpc

I'm only really interested in getting this for the phone, and all the crackling of poly patches makes it pretty much a non starter.

skiphunt

@Tarekith said:
Really nice sounding app, though I have to admit I was coming here to see if I was missing something with the knobs. Sideways only seems weird on a vertically laid out GUI. I kept trying to drag up and down to change the values. Other than that (major) wish from me, I think it's really great sounding and pretty simple to use.

(please fix the knobs though, this is a PITA to adjust as it is now)

Ha! So it's sideways, not vertical! No wonder it seems messed up. I don't have a problem with sideways, now that I know that's how they work. To be honest, I'm now thinking I might actually prefer it this way.

Audiojunkie

@db909 said:
ok so the presets sounded great so I bought the IAP. But the knobs are screwed! Terrible! Can barely get them to move in the direction I want wtf? No 3D Touch on either. Anyone else?

EDIT: left and right movement for the knobs. Sigh. These are not very good knobs folks

Some of the stuff is enabled with the $2.99 IAP purchase. I really like the app, except that it needs the IAA transport controls added.

Enkerli

@skiphunt said:
I think the arp in TF8 may be my favorite of the arps I have, dedicated or built-in.

Good to know. Have yet to really explore arp apps, but the way this one is set up really makes sense in my mind. Especially once the 4x4 grid system has started to sink into my mind.

Now that @Sebastian has confirmed that StepPolyArp will be a MIDI filter in AB3, it’s interesting to think of all sorts of possibilities for treating MIDI signal into patterns. Like @RJB, will surely have fun driving iWavestation through a flexible arp. That app has its own performance features, but it’s particularly well-suited for being driven by a good MIDI source.

As for TF8 as a synth, it does sound pretty good on its own. And it’s interesting that some presets are tied to arpeggio patterns. Guess Lim experimented quite a bit with diverse combinations. The “Rhythmic” section makes for interesting discoveries.

With all the Virtual Analog synths out there, Pier Lim was able to find a feature which warrants further exploration.

db909

Knob tip: move slow. If you swipe quickly as you can do in other apps, the knobs move less. I told the dev about the knobs. Nice dude

eustressor

I bought it. I dig it. Love rolling the dice on a nice synth/arp

ecamburn

Like others I'm digging the quality of the synth sounds.

I was expecting that the key signature set on the Morph screen would lock the scale in the arp. It doesn't. What am I missing?

JonLewis

I really, really love this synth. I made a really nice Discipline/Remain in Light lead patch and just could not stop playing it for playing's sake. The fretboard-like key layout, with the four courses of chiclet keys spaced by fourths, is perfect for me and I love the full step vs vibrato key bend options. Also, if you turn off the key bend, you can do amazing strum-like moves across the four key courses. This is so great to perform on.

As others have said, it sounds great. And the arp which reminds me of Magellan's in some ways and DM1's grid in others.

A+ Instant Favorite.

BiancaNeve

@ecamburn said:
Like others I'm digging the quality of the synth sounds.

I was expecting that the key signature set on the Morph screen would lock the scale in the arp. It doesn't. What am I missing?

A manual

But maybe selecting one of the diatonic options on the arp settings does it, not sure

Halftone

@BiancaNeve said:

@ecamburn said:
Like others I'm digging the quality of the synth sounds.

I was expecting that the key signature set on the Morph screen would lock the scale in the arp. It doesn't. What am I missing?

A manual

But maybe selecting one of the diatonic options on the arp settings does it, not sure

i just watched the "What you get" video for tf8 and he said that the diatonic options keeps the notes in scale.

BiancaNeve

@Halftone said:

@BiancaNeve said:

@ecamburn said:
Like others I'm digging the quality of the synth sounds.

I was expecting that the key signature set on the Morph screen would lock the scale in the arp. It doesn't. What am I missing?

A manual

But maybe selecting one of the diatonic options on the arp settings does it, not sure

i just watched the "What you get" video for tf8 and he said that the diatonic options keeps the notes in scale.

To be precise he said that they come from the major scale

Halftone

@BiancaNeve said:

@Halftone said:

@BiancaNeve said:

@ecamburn said:
Like others I'm digging the quality of the synth sounds.

I was expecting that the key signature set on the Morph screen would lock the scale in the arp. It doesn't. What am I missing?

A manual

But maybe selecting one of the diatonic options on the arp settings does it, not sure

i just watched the "What you get" video for tf8 and he said that the diatonic options keeps the notes in scale.

To be precise he said that they come from the major scale

i assumed because his scale selected was major then he said major scale, but if he had selected minor scale then he would've said minor scale...could be wrong