LayR update today (4/28/17)

Littlewoodg

It's instruments rather than performances partly because people asked Mr Brice to separate out the instruments that were included in the performance banks he'd created so far (even though we coulda saved em out ourselves he kindly did the work for us. Then he probably created even more instruments, because, well he is an ultra-cool Mr.)

MAtrixplan

Today I took my Iphone and headphones in a car on a parking, and forgot to pick up mu kids from school (listening new presets)

Daveypoo

@Littlewoodg Absolutely - I'd rather have the individual instruments so this is fantastic. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

Tritonman

That's a lot of presets and a lot of damn good ones at that.

JohnnyGoodyear

@brice Top stuff Mister.

Trueyorky

No words can describe - top stuff from all concerned.

hellquist

Great update, lots of good things, and I love the folding as well as the folds presets.
Also, @brice is a preset creation genius. Really. Amazing stuff. Don't know how many hours I've spent just sitting listening, forgetting everything else, whilst exploring his presets. Some might call those hours lost. I call them gained.

[Deleted User]

I think I'm going to have to bite the bullet and get this tonight. Mr @brice is a bit of a genius when it comes to this stuff and resistance is futile. I'll be checking the back of the sofa for pennies later.

Tritonman

What I love about this synth is the stacking. The sky is the limit for adding more depth or motion or more of almost anything for that matter.

[Deleted User]

@Tritonman said:
What I love about this synth is the stacking. The sky is the limit for adding more depth or motion or more of almost anything for that matter.

What's the CPU it like? I'm on an Air 2, not sure if it would wobble.

Trueyorky

@MonzoPro said:

@Tritonman said:
What I love about this synth is the stacking. The sky is the limit for adding more depth or motion or more of almost anything for that matter.

What's the CPU it like? I'm on an Air 2, not sure if it would wobble.

It’s all good. I’m on Air 2.

[Deleted User]

@Trueyorky said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Tritonman said:
What I love about this synth is the stacking. The sky is the limit for adding more depth or motion or more of almost anything for that matter.

What's the CPU it like? I'm on an Air 2, not sure if it would wobble.

It’s all good. I’m on Air 2.

Cheers matey. It's a toss up between this one and Synthscaper tonight.

Zjenji

Thank you @brice !!!

skiphunt

@MonzoPro said:

@Trueyorky said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Tritonman said:
What I love about this synth is the stacking. The sky is the limit for adding more depth or motion or more of almost anything for that matter.

What's the CPU it like? I'm on an Air 2, not sure if it would wobble.

It’s all good. I’m on Air 2.

Cheers matey. It's a toss up between this one and Synthscaper tonight.

That's a tough call. They're both very good. The extensive collection of rich and varied presets in LayR are worth the price of the app alone. Even if you never manage to create any great patches on your own. I still haven't come even close to making a single patch that's anywhere near as great as the included patches. The Factory ones are great too, as well as Redsky's. @Brice 's patches are a masterwork for sure. Mind bogglingly spectacular.

On the other hand, I HAVE managed to make my own patches in Synthscaper. And I was eventually able to push past the learning curve enough to understand how the sculpt sound with it. For my interests that are more focused on sound design, and not really musicality, Synthscaper is king on iOS. The deep frequencies, wide spatial illusions, twisted and maniacal creations you can carve out of Synthscaper could easily serve to score an entire film.

Really tough call on that one. I wouldn't want to have to choose. Glad I have both.

[Deleted User]

@skiphunt said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Trueyorky said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Tritonman said:
What I love about this synth is the stacking. The sky is the limit for adding more depth or motion or more of almost anything for that matter.

What's the CPU it like? I'm on an Air 2, not sure if it would wobble.

It’s all good. I’m on Air 2.

Cheers matey. It's a toss up between this one and Synthscaper tonight.

That's a tough call. They're both very good. The extensive collection of rich and varied presets in LayR are worth the price of the app alone. Even if you never manage to create any great patches on your own. I still haven't come even close to making a single patch that's anywhere near as great as the included patches. The Factory ones are great too, as well as Redsky's. @Brice 's patches are a masterwork for sure.

On the other hand, I HAVE managed to make my own patches in Synthscaper. And I was eventually able to push past the learning curve enough to understand how the sculpt sound with it. For my interests that are more focused on sound design, and not really musicality, Synthscaper is king on iOS. The deep frequencies, wide spatial illusions, twisted and maniacal creations you can carve out of Synthscaper could easily serve to score an entire film.

Really tough call on that one. I wouldn't want to have to choose. Glad I have both.

Interesting to read what you said in the other thread about layering a single sample - Redskylullaby does that in his Synthscaper video (piano sample, if I remember rightly), which for me has been the most impressive thing I've heard from it. I've got more synths can I can cope with now on the iPad and PC, but Synthscaper is doing something different, and I could easily see me sampling stuff and recording it into my desktop DAW. Just read that there's issues with it on 10.3 though (which I'm on), so I'd have to hold off for now anyway.

I want both, but as Mrs Monzo is keen on saying - 'want, doesn't always get'.

skiphunt

@MonzoPro said:

@skiphunt said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Trueyorky said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Tritonman said:
What I love about this synth is the stacking. The sky is the limit for adding more depth or motion or more of almost anything for that matter.

What's the CPU it like? I'm on an Air 2, not sure if it would wobble.

It’s all good. I’m on Air 2.

Cheers matey. It's a toss up between this one and Synthscaper tonight.

That's a tough call. They're both very good. The extensive collection of rich and varied presets in LayR are worth the price of the app alone. Even if you never manage to create any great patches on your own. I still haven't come even close to making a single patch that's anywhere near as great as the included patches. The Factory ones are great too, as well as Redsky's. @Brice 's patches are a masterwork for sure.

On the other hand, I HAVE managed to make my own patches in Synthscaper. And I was eventually able to push past the learning curve enough to understand how the sculpt sound with it. For my interests that are more focused on sound design, and not really musicality, Synthscaper is king on iOS. The deep frequencies, wide spatial illusions, twisted and maniacal creations you can carve out of Synthscaper could easily serve to score an entire film.

Really tough call on that one. I wouldn't want to have to choose. Glad I have both.

Interesting to read what you said in the other thread about layering a single sample - Redskylullaby does that in his Synthscaper video (piano sample, if I remember rightly), which for me has been the most impressive thing I've heard from it. I've got more synths can I can cope with now on the iPad and PC, but Synthscaper is doing something different, and I could easily see me sampling stuff and recording it into my desktop DAW. Just read that there's issues with it on 10.3 though (which I'm on), so I'd have to hold off for now anyway.

I want both, but as Mrs Monzo is keen on saying - 'want, doesn't always get'.

I'm on 11.0.2 now. Had one issue with the band new Synthscaper update. It had to do with the new feature of it reading loop points in samples... mostly for commercial loop library use. I wanted to try creating my own samples with my own loop points. I couldn't get it to recognize the loop points I was creating in Logic Pro X, but I've read that's really more of an issue with LPX. Then I tried Reaper instead, and the imported sample with loop points was crashing my Synthscaper install. When I'd remove the imported sample via iTunes sharing, it was working just fine.

Reported it last night. Igor has already been on it and says he's found the issue and fixed it, but wants to test for a couple days before pushing out the update.

I don't really know you obviously, and I don't know what ticks your boxes... but for me, to make your own awesome patches from scratch in LayR, requires a higher level of synthesis understanding than I have currently. Or, if you're some kind of maniacal savant and want to obsessively dig in very deep like Mr. Brice has done, you'll find LayR rewarding as well. But, like I said... the included presets are unique and varied enough for just about any use. And, there's A LOT of them. I'd feel comfortable using just about any of them and not feeling like I'm using something "canned".

How I'll likely use LayR for the near future, is taking some of the brilliant instruments that are already created, then layering those to kind of put my own spin on them. I've pretty much given up at this point at trying to make them from scratch on my own. And, I'm still completely baffled as to how the arp design works in LayR. There really needs to be a good tutorial video on that, but I got tired of hearing myself begging for it and gave up.

With Synthscaper, I feel like I'm absolutely creating unique sounds that won't be found anywhere else. I haven't really been making music in general, and not lately either. Mostly crafting interesting sounds and compositions. So, awesome synths that mimic other great analog synths, or break new ground in quality, etc. aren't really my "jam".

Of the latest crop of newcomers in the more "synthy" arena, I'm personally most impressed by both LayR and Zeeon.

As a sound design sculpting tool that can also be used musically, I think Synthscaper is in a class by itself.

[Deleted User]

@skiphunt said:

@MonzoPro said:

@skiphunt said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Trueyorky said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Tritonman said:
What I love about this synth is the stacking. The sky is the limit for adding more depth or motion or more of almost anything for that matter.

What's the CPU it like? I'm on an Air 2, not sure if it would wobble.

It’s all good. I’m on Air 2.

Cheers matey. It's a toss up between this one and Synthscaper tonight.

That's a tough call. They're both very good. The extensive collection of rich and varied presets in LayR are worth the price of the app alone. Even if you never manage to create any great patches on your own. I still haven't come even close to making a single patch that's anywhere near as great as the included patches. The Factory ones are great too, as well as Redsky's. @Brice 's patches are a masterwork for sure.

On the other hand, I HAVE managed to make my own patches in Synthscaper. And I was eventually able to push past the learning curve enough to understand how the sculpt sound with it. For my interests that are more focused on sound design, and not really musicality, Synthscaper is king on iOS. The deep frequencies, wide spatial illusions, twisted and maniacal creations you can carve out of Synthscaper could easily serve to score an entire film.

Really tough call on that one. I wouldn't want to have to choose. Glad I have both.

Interesting to read what you said in the other thread about layering a single sample - Redskylullaby does that in his Synthscaper video (piano sample, if I remember rightly), which for me has been the most impressive thing I've heard from it. I've got more synths can I can cope with now on the iPad and PC, but Synthscaper is doing something different, and I could easily see me sampling stuff and recording it into my desktop DAW. Just read that there's issues with it on 10.3 though (which I'm on), so I'd have to hold off for now anyway.

I want both, but as Mrs Monzo is keen on saying - 'want, doesn't always get'.

I'm on 11.0.2 now. Had one issue with the band new Synthscaper update. It had to do with the new feature of it reading loop points in samples... mostly for commercial loop library use. I wanted to try creating my own samples with my own loop points. I couldn't get it to recognize the loop points I was creating in Logic Pro X, but I've read that's really more of an issue with LPX. Then I tried Reaper instead, and the imported sample with loop points was crashing my Synthscaper install. When I'd remove the imported sample via iTunes sharing, it was working just fine.

Reported it last night. Igor has already been on it and says he's found the issue and fixed it, but wants to test for a couple days before pushing out the update.

I don't really know you obviously, and I don't know what ticks your boxes... but for me, to make your own awesome patches from scratch in LayR, requires a higher level of synthesis understanding than I have currently. Or, if you're some kind of maniacal savant and want to obsessively dig in very deep like Mr. Brice has done, you'll find LayR rewarding as well. But, like I said... the included presets are unique and varied enough for just about any use. And, there's A LOT of them. I'd feel comfortable using just about any of them and not feeling like I'm using something "canned".

How I'll likely use LayR for the near future, is taking some of the brilliant instruments that are already created, then layering those to kind of put my own spin on them. I've pretty much given up at this point at trying to make them from scratch on my own. And, I'm still completely baffled as to how the arp design works in LayR. There really needs to be a good tutorial video on that, but I got tired of hearing myself begging for it and gave up.

With Synthscaper, I feel like I'm absolutely creating unique sounds that won't be found anywhere else. I haven't really been making music in general, and not lately either. Mostly crafting interesting sounds and compositions. So, awesome synths that mimic other great analog synths, or break new ground in quality, etc. aren't really my "jam".

Of the latest crop of newcomers in the more "synthy" arena, I'm personally most impressed by both LayR and Zeeon.

As a sound design sculpting tool that can also be used musically, I think Synthscaper is in a class by itself.

I think what you like about Synthscaper is what I'd like too - the ability to create unique otherworldly sounds. I think too I'd struggle with the Layr programming, but those patches just sound glorious.

If it wasn't for the update glitch (sounds like it doesn't work at all in 10.3) I'd grab Synthscaper tonight as a treat. Think I'll have a ponder with Layr, watch a few vids for inspiration.

richardyot

I think Synthscaper has amazing potential as a sound design tool, and like Skiphunt I'm much more interested in the idea of trying to create new sounds rather than recreating the synths of yesteryear. My only gripe with SynthScpaer is that the UI is a little hard to grok, I really need to spend some time with the manual.

TheMediocritist

I’m wondering about LayR - is it possible to set up synths on different channels and play them independently or is there always interaction between layers?

I suspect the latter, but if it is possible then Xequence + LayR would be a killer combo.

hellquist

@TheMediocritist said:
I’m wondering about LayR - is it possible to set up synths on different channels and play them independently or is there always interaction between layers?

I suspect the latter, but if it is possible then Xequence + LayR would be a killer combo.

You can have the separate instruments respond to separate midi channels within LayR. Xequence or Quantum (or any sequencer) are great companions to LayR. You can even map the separate layers within LayR to separate audio channels in AUM (et al) and get the stems out independently of each other.

TheMediocritist

@hellquist said:

@TheMediocritist said:
I’m wondering about LayR - is it possible to set up synths on different channels and play them independently or is there always interaction between layers?

I suspect the latter, but if it is possible then Xequence + LayR would be a killer combo.

You can have the separate instruments respond to separate midi channels within LayR. Xequence or Quantum (or any sequencer) are great companions to LayR. You can even map the separate layers within LayR to separate audio channels in AUM (et al) and get the stems out independently of each other.

Thanks @hellquist. Downloading now. The setup you’ve described is exactly what I need.

JohnnyGoodyear

@MonzoPro said:

@skiphunt said:

@MonzoPro said:

@skiphunt said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Trueyorky said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Tritonman said:
What I love about this synth is the stacking. The sky is the limit for adding more depth or motion or more of almost anything for that matter.

What's the CPU it like? I'm on an Air 2, not sure if it would wobble.

It’s all good. I’m on Air 2.

Cheers matey. It's a toss up between this one and Synthscaper tonight.

That's a tough call. They're both very good. The extensive collection of rich and varied presets in LayR are worth the price of the app alone. Even if you never manage to create any great patches on your own. I still haven't come even close to making a single patch that's anywhere near as great as the included patches. The Factory ones are great too, as well as Redsky's. @Brice 's patches are a masterwork for sure.

On the other hand, I HAVE managed to make my own patches in Synthscaper. And I was eventually able to push past the learning curve enough to understand how the sculpt sound with it. For my interests that are more focused on sound design, and not really musicality, Synthscaper is king on iOS. The deep frequencies, wide spatial illusions, twisted and maniacal creations you can carve out of Synthscaper could easily serve to score an entire film.

Really tough call on that one. I wouldn't want to have to choose. Glad I have both.

Interesting to read what you said in the other thread about layering a single sample - Redskylullaby does that in his Synthscaper video (piano sample, if I remember rightly), which for me has been the most impressive thing I've heard from it. I've got more synths can I can cope with now on the iPad and PC, but Synthscaper is doing something different, and I could easily see me sampling stuff and recording it into my desktop DAW. Just read that there's issues with it on 10.3 though (which I'm on), so I'd have to hold off for now anyway.

I want both, but as Mrs Monzo is keen on saying - 'want, doesn't always get'.

I'm on 11.0.2 now. Had one issue with the band new Synthscaper update. It had to do with the new feature of it reading loop points in samples... mostly for commercial loop library use. I wanted to try creating my own samples with my own loop points. I couldn't get it to recognize the loop points I was creating in Logic Pro X, but I've read that's really more of an issue with LPX. Then I tried Reaper instead, and the imported sample with loop points was crashing my Synthscaper install. When I'd remove the imported sample via iTunes sharing, it was working just fine.

Reported it last night. Igor has already been on it and says he's found the issue and fixed it, but wants to test for a couple days before pushing out the update.

I don't really know you obviously, and I don't know what ticks your boxes... but for me, to make your own awesome patches from scratch in LayR, requires a higher level of synthesis understanding than I have currently. Or, if you're some kind of maniacal savant and want to obsessively dig in very deep like Mr. Brice has done, you'll find LayR rewarding as well. But, like I said... the included presets are unique and varied enough for just about any use. And, there's A LOT of them. I'd feel comfortable using just about any of them and not feeling like I'm using something "canned".

How I'll likely use LayR for the near future, is taking some of the brilliant instruments that are already created, then layering those to kind of put my own spin on them. I've pretty much given up at this point at trying to make them from scratch on my own. And, I'm still completely baffled as to how the arp design works in LayR. There really needs to be a good tutorial video on that, but I got tired of hearing myself begging for it and gave up.

With Synthscaper, I feel like I'm absolutely creating unique sounds that won't be found anywhere else. I haven't really been making music in general, and not lately either. Mostly crafting interesting sounds and compositions. So, awesome synths that mimic other great analog synths, or break new ground in quality, etc. aren't really my "jam".

Of the latest crop of newcomers in the more "synthy" arena, I'm personally most impressed by both LayR and Zeeon.

As a sound design sculpting tool that can also be used musically, I think Synthscaper is in a class by itself.

I think what you like about Synthscaper is what I'd like too - the ability to create unique otherworldly sounds. I think too I'd struggle with the Layr programming, but those patches just sound glorious.

If it wasn't for the update glitch (sounds like it doesn't work at all in 10.3) I'd grab Synthscaper tonight as a treat. Think I'll have a ponder with Layr, watch a few vids for inspiration.

Lay-R is most certainly for the boffins, but I'm happy to have bought it to simply marvel (and employ) their work.

Heiliger_Bimbam

I‘ve to pay another 20$ for the iPhone Version?

Tritonman

@MonzoPro said:

@skiphunt said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Trueyorky said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Tritonman said:
What I love about this synth is the stacking. The sky is the limit for adding more depth or motion or more of almost anything for that matter.

What's the CPU it like? I'm on an Air 2, not sure if it would wobble.

It’s all good. I’m on Air 2.

Cheers matey. It's a toss up between this one and Synthscaper tonight.

That's a tough call. They're both very good. The extensive collection of rich and varied presets in LayR are worth the price of the app alone. Even if you never manage to create any great patches on your own. I still haven't come even close to making a single patch that's anywhere near as great as the included patches. The Factory ones are great too, as well as Redsky's. @Brice 's patches are a masterwork for sure.

On the other hand, I HAVE managed to make my own patches in Synthscaper. And I was eventually able to push past the learning curve enough to understand how the sculpt sound with it. For my interests that are more focused on sound design, and not really musicality, Synthscaper is king on iOS. The deep frequencies, wide spatial illusions, twisted and maniacal creations you can carve out of Synthscaper could easily serve to score an entire film.

Really tough call on that one. I wouldn't want to have to choose. Glad I have both.

Interesting to read what you said in the other thread about layering a single sample - Redskylullaby does that in his Synthscaper video (piano sample, if I remember rightly), which for me has been the most impressive thing I've heard from it. I've got more synths can I can cope with now on the iPad and PC, but Synthscaper is doing something different, and I could easily see me sampling stuff and recording it into my desktop DAW. Just read that there's issues with it on 10.3 though (which I'm on), so I'd have to hold off for now anyway.

I want both, but as Mrs Monzo is keen on saying - 'want, doesn't always get'.

No problem here running SynthScaper on Air 1 OS 10.3/

hellquist

@Heiliger_Bimbam said:
I‘ve to pay another 20$ for the iPhone Version?

It depends on what app you are talking about, but in the case of LayR, Synthscaper and AUM: no. They are universal. One purchase covers all platforms.

Heiliger_Bimbam

@hellquist said:

@Heiliger_Bimbam said:
I‘ve to pay another 20$ for the iPhone Version?

It depends on what app you are talking about, but in the case of LayR, Synthscaper and AUM: no. They are universal. One purchase covers all platforms.

I bought Layr yesterday on my iPad and I can‘t download it on my iPhone

hellquist

@Heiliger_Bimbam said:

@hellquist said:

@Heiliger_Bimbam said:
I‘ve to pay another 20$ for the iPhone Version?

It depends on what app you are talking about, but in the case of LayR, Synthscaper and AUM: no. They are universal. One purchase covers all platforms.

I bought Layr yesterday on my iPad and I can‘t download it on my iPhone

Log out/log in again on AppStore (or iCloud, or Apple account). That usually fixes it.
If it doesn't, and you are sure you are logged in with the very same AppStore account as the one that purchased LayR on your iPad, and you still get the price tag on the iPhone, just select purchase anyways. It will then say "Hey, you've actually already bought this item, would you like to download it for free?".

Some people have many AppStore accounts and have logged in to different AppStores (for example US and Australian app store), but according to Apples own policy, you will never be charged twice for the same product.

Heiliger_Bimbam

Yay logging in and out worked. Thanks a lot @hellquist

erdstern

@Heiliger_Bimbam said:
I bought Layr yesterday on my iPad and I can‘t download it on my iPhone

Resetting „Network Settings“ (Settings/General/Reset/Reset Network Setting) fixes pretty much every weird connection issue on iOS.

Heiliger_Bimbam

Thanks @erdstern