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BM3 is confirming my move back to hardware
Any other long time iOS users feel the same? iOS has been a godsend to me as I lost my home studio years ago. More recently I've been on a creative plateau and I patiently waited for BM3 to take me to the next level. However, it's just not happening. Sure, I've been missing hardware for some time, and after years of not having a studio, my concepts have shifted. I'm now understanding more iOS as simply part of my creative system, rather than the system itself.
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I didn't go to hardware but ios definitely is part of my system now and not the whole thing.
Funnily enough I've been moving more towards desktop software recently, but BM3 works as a link between the two. So it's the opposite for me, BM3 has brought me back.
it´s not the tools but how you use them?
Not me
With AB3 midi and apps such as ChordFlow, ChordUp, Klimper, Chordbot etc. i feel iOS is on par with what i use on MacOS (Sundog, Cthulhu, Nora) with the added bonus of all the unique tools that are only possible on a touchscreen
I still use some features in Logic, like the drummer, but even that's covered now on iOS. I do still mess around with RapidComposer, just because it's so advanced that it can help me make things i'd never come up with on my own due a lack of music theory knowledge
Now, if only Five12 would port Numerology4 to iOS...
I make all my music on my phone.
Even though ios is intriguing and darn right impressive at times I'm often just wanting to use my excellent Fostex 4 track mixer/ recorder( still working great) and record songs again like I did in the 80's. Writing songs was much more fluid for me back then with voice, guitar, piano, percussion , one small synth with sampler, and Boss digital delay and other effects boxes, wah wah pedal ...etc...and I wrote lyrics back then more naturally then I do today. I find with all this technology at hand it's a very sweet distraction coupled with impulsive app shopping that has developed to fever pitch at times that gets me in an anxious state because of over choice. I have a very clear idea of what my music should have in it and say but now a days I'm often unclear how to get things done because of distractions sweet as they may be..
Fair point. I suppose I've been feeling I've gone as far as I could expressing myself on iOS. To be honest, as someone that knows synth and percussion and is a somewhat proficient bass guitarist, I've lost interest in learning more apps and wish to focus on playing, creating and being more hands-on.
This is how I started and got hooked on iOS production.
Like @MonzoPro I've been spending time with the Desktop more in the last 6 months. BeatMaker 3 has gotten my interest for the moment and am interested to see if the two can meet but as for hardware, nothing. Have almost completely lost any interest in that direction except if you count oddly shaped wooden boxes with wires attached.
I agree with this. Personally, iOS has helped me catch up on a lot of the tech and more importantly, helped me understand what I want for my workflow. I feel this is its greatest strength.
Yeah, I still plan on learning BM3 well(for example), because I think it will be a necessary tool for sample handling & editing. I also still plan on using Auria as my recorder and Audioshare to handle my final mix files.
I started on a desktop, moved to an iPad then to a iPod touch, now I just use an Android phone...
Depends on what you mean by going back to hardware. Going back to a beat machine like Maschine, or MPC, or Launchpad, or Circuit? Well, I have my Boss DR-5, which doesn’t obviously compare to these powerhouses, but I use it to control my iOS drums, not to substitute them. Or are you saying going back to micing amps, using stomps etc instead of amp sims? Well, I have a Marshall JTM-30, a plentful of stompboxes, and despite being mostly use amp sims now, I still record my live guitars with them sometimes. Or still, are you talking about using hardware synths instead of their virtual copies? A real Moog, a real DX7 etc? Well, they are expensive as hell, so I have to cope with the amazing variety of iOS soft synths, but I still plan to get a Minibrute somewhere in the future. Bottom line for me is, I’ll never go back to hardware because I never really left it, I just now have iOS to expand the possibilities.
Of course, I could have misunderstood you and you could be talking about go back to digital home recording hardware, such as the awful BOSS Portastudio (BR-800, BR-1200 CD etc) and other similar crap: in this case, not without a bit of pride, I’ll say I’ve never been there, starting working when I was a kid on a studio that had a proper tape recording system (I could never afford to have one of these at home), then getting my first PC running Sonar 2.5, then multiple iterations of PC and then Mac software, then iOS. In fact, when I find the eventual customer that still uses that kind of rubbish, it’s relatively easy to convince them to switch at least to HDD recording - most of them have a Windows PC at home, and all it takes is to install the free trial version of Cockos Reaper.
Cheers!
Well, I'll put it this way- my Sweetwater cart shows a Mackie 1402, Bassstation2, Boss chorus pedal & VolcaSample.
I need to do more live percussion & bass guitar in general, but I would continue to use iOS for sample management & editing, recording and sharing. The overarching goal is to simply get more hands-on with a focus on analog components.
Never left hardware for some things, other things just work so much better on iOS. Still love my guitars though and keyboards but I often find myself using them in conjunction with the IPad. I won't be getting rid of Beatmaker 3 or my hardware.
Hardware is great for getting out of a creative rut, almost because it has so many limitations. On iOS, there’s just literally too many apps to create with, so it’s easy to lose focus.
Yah, things are best for me when desktop vsts/hardware is the aircraft carrier and the iPad is the Apache helicopter. My BM3 is mostly filled with desktop/hardware sounds and sample libraries. Maybe 10% are ios synths. For hardware all I have is a Circuit, Nord Lead and a couple little odds and ends. Anytime I put too much weight on iOS alone the results suffered. The only reason iPad tends to get more time investment is due to commute/job/couch recovery. If I were a 40 something trust fund kid, the whole tools to time ratio would be different. Then the iPad would mostly be used in airport lounges.
Love my hardware, just wish I had a Tardis.
I'm still searching for the right stand alone digital multi-track machine. Like the ones @theconnactic called awful crap.
I find them liberating.
I feel exactly the same as you man... I put a lot of hopes on BM3... I thougt it would fullfil my HH BeatMaker Dreams... On paper, il should have been, it has all that is needed, many wonderful sampling functionnalities... but it's so unstable and full of audio glitches that I lost confidence in it.
I sincerly believed that it would be in the Korg Gadget courtyard... but now it reminds me of the time when I was desperatly trying to finish tracks on TableTop or iMPC Pro...
And it may not be Intua's fault... it may be iPad hardware and iOS limitations... I don't Know.
But definitly now, if I had the possibility i.e. money to switch to hardware, I'd do it right away
Try cutting a hedge with a spanner.
so many variables, but mainly for me it's all about workflow... any platform can accomplish anything and for some people all that matters is the result, some don't care about the journey as much as the result but both are extremely important to me. I got into the iOS platform to decidedly have a different experience than the experience I have on desktop systems so that's the quality I look for in apps. Lately iOS has taken a turn towards desktop emulation and I'm not fond of this turn in direction at all but I think if I stopped buying apps today there are currently enough that would allow me to keep my iPad in the mix for a long time to come.... It's the best sound module imo, so using an iPad in conjunction with my hardware sequencers is a great combination, and apps like ikaosilator, Samplr, Igor vasilev apps, kymatica apps, Patterning, Seekbeats, Elastic drums are just a few of the many apps I find very useful
the iPad basically slips right into my studio like a vhs tape slips into a vcr. I believe Intua have made progress on the workflow front over BM2 but there is still allot of progress to be made before they can claim best beatmachine workflow imho but these guys work very hard and are already working on getting there.
This entirely....I found that even using controllers with iOS synths isn't as satisfying as playing a hardware synth. I knew I always preferred controller to the screen, but getting my Mininova was a revelation to me in that respect and made me realise exactly how disconnected I am from the instrument when it is on a screen.
And as for my guitars...they havent seen the light of day much at all over the last decade or so....that is all about to change.....
This is not because of iOS though...this is because of having powerful sequencers on many platforms....they are too easy to use and get sucked into...forgetting why i do this in the first place.
The sequencer will still be there, but very much taking a supporting role rather than a lead one.
It's perspective really, the iPad is hardware, just a little more temperamental, as it's kind of in a perpetual state of prototype.
I'm going going back back to hardware hardware
Some of the latest released (or soon coming) cheap analog synths looks really nice.
I also started from zero with iOS and it was a kind of evolution for me to go to mac mainly but still use iOS (iPhone only at the moment) as additional tool and like said thinking of adding some hardware maybe too since it really connects to the music. But then software comes very close to analog/vintage tools and is more flexible at the same time......so i mainly think in hardware of great and innovative controllers like the Seaboard.
I really loved it (and still do for some things) but tapping on a flat glass surface feels not really so nice anymore.
I even feels much better for me to play midi notes via a computer keyboard if i´m too lazy to connect my midi controller.
I need moving parts under my fingers to feel what i do. I needed some years to learn that but now there is no way back. The problem here on iOS is that still a lot of all the good controllers and hardware does not seems to have editing software for iOS (hello Roli).
At the end i try to pick up the best of all these things and everything is just a part of the whole great thing called music.
As my Mac's still on an old style HD, I get 'disk reading speed' error messages in Logic, and spend most of the time observing it's spinning ball. My old PC has had soundcard driver issues since I bought it - horrible latency, and it regularly loses a channel, and/or the sound quality deteriorates into sandpaper against granite quality, so I have to reboot with fingers crossed.
The old iPad rotation bug seems a mere piffle in comparison.
Is anyone making money composing music on their phones? Really?
Scarlet Jerry
Not this guy.
SSD is really the way to go. It will speed up even old machines like there is no tomorrow. One of the things i really think is great on the new macbooks. Super fast write and read speeds. I really need that.