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BM3 is confirming my move back to hardware

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  • @scarletjerry said:
    Is anyone making money composing music on their phones? Really?

    Scarlet Jerry

    Funny, i did make more money with music created on my iPhone :D

  • @ElGregoLoco said:
    I feel exactly the same as you man... I put a lot of hopes on BM3... I thougt it would fullfil my HH BeatMaker Dreams... On paper, il should have been, it has all that is needed, many wonderful sampling functionnalities... but it's so unstable and full of audio glitches that I lost confidence in it.

    I sincerly believed that it would be in the Korg Gadget courtyard... but now it reminds me of the time when I was desperatly trying to finish tracks on TableTop or iMPC Pro...

    And it may not be Intua's fault... it may be iPad hardware and iOS limitations... I don't Know.

    But definitly now, if I had the possibility i.e. money to switch to hardware, I'd do it right away

    Yes! I was expecting a replacement for Gadget. Knowing me, it will take the remainder of the year to get to that point.
    I was planning on getting a new iPad this fall and have BM3 as my centerpiece. I'm now thinking of putting that $$$ into hardware instead and using my 1st gen Air as a recorder/editor.

  • I bought bm3 and returned it the same day. The first app ive ever gotten a refund for. For what i need, bm2 mixed with other apps is sufficent. I expected the user interface to be better for bm3 too. Ive been pretty tempted to build my hardware setup too. more stable.

  • I'm just hobbying around with all this malarkey but I'm putting my faith in BM3. Even if it takes a few rounds of updates to get where we want it.

  • @Cib said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    As my Mac's still on an old style HD, I get 'disk reading speed' error messages in Logic, and spend most of the time observing it's spinning ball. My old PC has had soundcard driver issues since I bought it - horrible latency, and it regularly loses a channel, and/or the sound quality deteriorates into sandpaper against granite quality, so I have to reboot with fingers crossed.

    The old iPad rotation bug seems a mere piffle in comparison.

    SSD is really the way to go. It will speed up even old machines like there is no tomorrow. One of the things i really think is great on the new macbooks. Super fast write and read speeds. I really need that.

    Yeah I know, I've got to do it. I'm a bit scared of putting one in though, so keep putting it off...

  • I personally have no inclination to go back to mouse clicking/2line lcd surfing but totally understand your frustration. I think like with many other areas of life it is good to be flexible/modular/what have you.

    Good luck

  • @scarletjerry said:
    Is anyone making money composing music on their phones? Really?

    Scarlet Jerry

    Steve Lacy --->

  • I've been doing this as a hobby on desktop since the mid 90's with ReBirth, Reason 2 and Sonic Foundry's Acid Pro. Over the years I cut things down to Reason 5 (still not yet upgraded) and Ableton Live 9x with a shitty M-Audio keyboard controller. I was pretty fine.
    I bought an iPad Air 1 in '14 for mobile reading and never ever thought I'd be making music or using something that looks like BM3. The possibilities I found on iPad was beyond what I expected. It's all quite amazing TBH. But what I found is that the more you get consumed by the sea of little apps on iOS with their endlessly growing possibilities, the more time you spend fiddling and not actually finishing projects. But does NOT finishing projects even matter for a hobbyist? I just want to make sounds and twist knobs. That brings me the happiness. Kinda like playing video games, except instead of a high score, it's a sonic therapy I'm experiencing.
    As someone said earlier, the iPad is just another piece of hardware (but in perpetual prototype state or something like that). But it's just another box; plug a controller into it and you make it whatever you want... if that's what you want.
    I'm not making a point but if there was one my point would be that (assuming this is a hobby for you) just be fluid and let the experience of making stuff be most important. I posted about Steve Lacy earlier, dude makes stuff on his phone as a scratch pad with his guitar, amazing shit. T-Pain used garage band for a few of his massive hits... and artist Chris Ofili made million dollar art sculptures with cow dung.

    Just go make shit (pun intended)

  • edited August 2017

    @MonzoPro said:

    @Cib said:

    SSD is really the way to go. It will speed up even old machines like there is no tomorrow. One of the things i really think is great on the new macbooks. Super fast write and read speeds. I really need that.

    Yeah I know, I've got to do it. I'm a bit scared of putting one in though, so keep putting it off...

    I can attest to this. I maxed the ram and stuck an SSD in a 2010 MBP and it gave it new life. Also upgraded the sample drive on my DAW PC to SSD and it's been a revelation with multi-gig sample libs-- seconds to load instead of minutes. SSD's are a godsend.

  • edited August 2017

    @ph8aerror said:

    @scarletjerry said:
    Is anyone making money composing music on their phones? Really?

    Scarlet Jerry

    Steve Lacy --->

    Seems more like 'Some people who make money with music also use an iPhone.'

  • don't put all your eggs in one basket? Different strokes? It's strange how BM3 gets such a bum wrap but I hardly heard anyone say they used number 2 very much... it just got a nice update today give it time

  • Using Ableton Link with my Mac and iphone via studiomux really opens up lots of hands on options and sparks ideas.

    Nanostudio on iphone is a near perfect standalone app and used with audiobus to sample my other apps into Eden is slick.

    Gadget just needs Eden and its complete for me.

  • edited August 2017

    There are hardware synths that cost 100s (or more) of times as much as software synths. There are software desktop synths that cost 10s more than ANYTHING on iOS.

    I got started on my musical journey because I could buy sounds like Sunriser, Cassini, and Midisynth that didn't sound like a cheap Casio (not that they are bad) keyboard. Then I found apps like ThumbJam, Soundprism, and Figure that allowed a novice a degree of musical proficiency. All for under $20.

    What I've come to realize is that there are tools on iOS that are unusual and not easily replicated in hardware or software. If you look at Samplr or GeoShred:

    • multitouch (Touch! On software)
    • Expressive
    • Repeatable performances but still with so much room for accidents and discovery

    Or Borderlands where it feels like you are handling the waveform!

    Anyway, I've not moved away from iOS but I'm looking to supplement it. Mostly to offload some processing power off the pad to external gear. Hardware controllers like BeatstepPro and Circuit and sound "modules" like Roland boutique, minibrute, and maybe 0-coast and Dreadbox are where I'm headed next. Oooo and stomp boxes.

    I blame iOS for G.A.S. and it will NEVER be far from my setup.

  • @asnor said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @Cib said:

    SSD is really the way to go. It will speed up even old machines like there is no tomorrow. One of the things i really think is great on the new macbooks. Super fast write and read speeds. I really need that.

    Yeah I know, I've got to do it. I'm a bit scared of putting one in though, so keep putting it off...

    I can attest to this. I maxed the ram and stuck an SSD in a 2010 MBP and it gave it new life. Also upgraded the sample drive on my DAW PC to SSD and it's been a revelation with multi-gig sample libs-- seconds to load instead of minutes. SSD's are a godsend.

    Yeah I keep putting it off, but since the last couple of OSX updates my 2012 MacBook Pro is really struggling. I upgraded the RAM, but I'm a bit nervous about changing the drive. I've heard so many good reports it's silly holding back, just need to pluck up courage...

  • Write songs. Record them as best as you're able.

  • @Hex047 said:
    I started on a desktop, moved to an iPad then to a iPod touch, now I just use an Android phone...

    That makes no sense...

  • @MonzoPro said:

    Yeah I keep putting it off, but since the last couple of OSX updates my 2012 MacBook Pro is really struggling. I upgraded the RAM, but I'm a bit nervous about changing the drive. I've heard so many good reports it's silly holding back, just need to pluck up courage...

    The SSD will help a lot with the struggle.Send it to a tech. swapping out hard drives is a cinch on towers but opening up my laptop by myself, no way.

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    Write songs. Record them as best as you're able.

  • @audiblevideo said:
    @MonzoPro said:

    Yeah I keep putting it off, but since the last couple of OSX updates my 2012 MacBook Pro is really struggling. I upgraded the RAM, but I'm a bit nervous about changing the drive. I've heard so many good reports it's silly holding back, just need to pluck up courage...

    The SSD will help a lot with the struggle.Send it to a tech. swapping out hard drives is a cinch on towers but opening up my laptop by myself, no way.

    I had to open it up for the RAM change, was a bit hairy as it was brand new. I guess as it's 5 years old, with a dodgy battery it's not so big a risk now.

  • I'm never going back!
    With the desktop I got lost in endless plugin tweaking, never got anything done. Now the Cubasis, all the awesome drum machines, and BM3 wow, oh and I can put the whole thing in my work bag, record a session during lunch and wow, never ever going back.

  • I no longer can stomach all the physical clutter and complexity of hardware set-ups and being tied down to a room full of stuff. Gives me a headache just thinking about it. And I've developed an aversion to cables. Even just one bothers me, but the tangle of many...? Eww. I want to break free. For whatever reason, I've also lost touch with playing piano and guitar. I'm pretty old and not terribly ambitious. Having a whole virtual music studio on a small touchable surface is still so appealing, even with its compromises. I also still love just sitting at a Mac and working within Logic, nothing but a keyboard controller attached. A world of music is possible, even on my tiny planet.

  • @db909 said:
    I make all my music on my phone.

    Same here. :smiley:

  • @scarletjerry said:
    Is anyone making money composing music on their phones? Really?

    Scarlet Jerry

    Some people are...it's documented. Not me however. But I don't care. The money isn't made in the recording, it's made at concerts and merchandise sales. Furthermore, I've been away from that scene for over 15 years, have 3 kids, and almost no time. It's a hobby for me....when I can even find the time. :wink:

  • @scarletjerry said:
    Is anyone making money composing music on their phones? Really?

    Scarlet Jerry

    How much money have you made composing music on your iPad?

  • @lovadamusic said:
    I no longer can stomach all the physical clutter and complexity of hardware set-ups and being tied down to a room full of stuff. Gives me a headache just thinking about it. And I've developed an aversion to cables. Even just one bothers me, but the tangle of many...? Eww. I want to break free. For whatever reason, I've also lost touch with playing piano and guitar. I'm pretty old and not terribly ambitious. Having a whole virtual music studio on a small touchable surface is still so appealing, even with its compromises. I also still love just sitting at a Mac and working within Logic, nothing but a keyboard controller attached. A world of music is possible, even on my tiny planet.

    This!! ^^^

  • I am actually half tempted to get my Tascam 424 Portastudio back down with my one remaining well-used Super Avilyn cassette, and see what I can do with one synth (it'd be the Roland SH-09 and CSQ-600, as the Arp 2600 is still awaiting time for me to put in the replacement VCA I built but have only tested outside the synth). But. The 424 is so big. So is the Roland synth and sequencer. All that old stuff I used to use - it took a whole room. I don't have the room now.

  • @Thomas- "I'm now thinking of putting that $$$ into hardware instead."
    well, you're not going to get a lot of hardware for 400 sheets!? mono analogue (can't go wrong with a bass station 2) and poly stuff on the pad makes for a good setup. octatrack for sampling, if sampling's desired-for a ££££...
    no thanks.
    i sold my blofeld and got few of apps. the blofeld wins on 4 dedicated encoders, nothing else. the only hardware i've got now is my emx2, which is a simple machine just like me .probably get an analogue a some point once i've figured out bm3 :)

  • Don't forget, you can't sell apps secondhand, and they don't last for more than a few years before becoming out of date. Hardware is worth money even decades after.

  • Even when I use hardware, I record on iOS. I tend to cycle between, keeps everything fresh. And you can't beat the feel of "real things"

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