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If I remember correctly, Cubasis has had things broken by OS updates in the past as well.
And lets see ... among others broken at time of release ...
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It’s always this way! Deal with it. Either wait for the dust to settle, or be prepared for road bumps. What a bunch of f’ing whiners!
People need to chill. Some of these apps, such as Auria, are developed by one person. People like you and me who have a hard enough time keeping up with their own life without having an OS that should not break things! fuck them up. And as has been pointed out, it’s a tough call deciding when in the continuum of the richest company in the world’s army of developers screwing around with the OS and breaking and fixing things right up to release, they should invest their livelyhood (as opposed to our few $$ we “invested” sometimes years ago, and for which they haven’t gotten a dime for since) into cleaning up after Apple.
Arrrggghhhh. The entitlement mentality drives me nuts sometimes!
(Sorry. Rant over.)
I blame Apple. Biggest damn company in the world and they can’t even manage not to break apps that were working fine with every release. WTH?? Considering they take ... what ... 30% of every app $ sold? IMO they should be refunding some of that to the developers when they fuck up their apps and send them scrambling to clean up the mess.
It’s insane.
Sorry - I gotta get out of this thread. Sorry for the pollution (sort of).
Bye.
I think over on the Auria forum Rim said that he doesn't work with the new iOS betas because until they are ready for release, simply because too much stuff can change in beta so it's a waste of time.
I agree though that there are some old bugs which could do with fixing, it's always frustrating when you are waiting for years for bugs to get fixed. Mind you, the desktop software that I use to make a living (and which costs an order of magnitude more than Auria) is in exactly the same boat.
To backtrack slightly on my hardline stance earlier, yes, it does some great stuff and the plugins are a wonder but it still doesn’t sit easy with me that the so called flagship DAW is in this state.
Maybe I’m spoilt by the recent uptick in great Devs pushing out the goodies and knocking it out of the park, that’s probably it.
Needs an update. Will get an update. Won't be perfect. Still the best DAW on the platform (for me).
Even as big as Apple is, I don't know how easy it would be for them to upgrade Operating Systems and not mess up some existing apps---especially some that are not typical or simple like Auria Pro. It would take a lot of technical knowledge to make that call.
Trying on the dev's hat, I see Apple is constantly making work for me that I'm really not getting paid for. I'm by myself here and working in quicksand. This is a complex app, so I tell users, if you want to continue to use it, don't update the OS until it's stable and I can get to fixing things.
Apple is going to keep moving forward, and everyone on board has to go along for the bumpy ride. You can make it easier on yourself by being patient.
Exactly @richardyot Man, local project studios that went to Pro Tools 9 in 2010/2011 in order to use any hardware ran into HUGE issues with OS updates. Forget even mentioning the pain Pro Tools Windows users experienced if they fool heartedly left Windows 7...
Major OS changes have been a big deal ever since I started using iOS for music production. When I got my Air 2 shipped with iOS 8 I remember reading horror story's about the bugs from previous generations and now the ones the then current 8 had.
I always sweated updating because I didn't want my iPad gimped, something we all can relate to. But iOS 9 & 10 had similar hoopla over their supposed albatrossing of iPad's and when I eventually bit down hard and went to 9 then 10 my iPad was fine.
It's just a fact a great deal of our favorite apps will usually update to versions requiring the latest OS. The road will always be rocky. WaveMachine Labs can be called to task for certain lingering bugs & seemingly short shrift customer service but in reality the company is relatively small & Rim is one guy. The app has meant so much to me and impressed me so much I will give the Auria team the benefit of the doubt.
I understand the frustrations, but doing some wholesale dismissal of Auria this close to iOS 11's release and without seeing the next major Auria update seems rash. Let's see how it looks when the dust settles.
Rim confirmed it’s almost here. Be cool, folks!
One other aspect people overlook. The developers of most of these apps almost always aren’t responsible for creating the “Flagship DAW on IOS” type hyperbole that people hold them accountable for. In fact, they usually do little promotion at all.
Some guy like Rim builds an amazingly capable app like Auria Pro. Based on its merits, not any marketing hype from the developer, it gains a reputation as “Pro”, “Premier”, etc. It takes on this stature as if it’s backed by a well-funded organization, like it’s Pro Tools or something. And people get butt-hurt because one guy can’t keep up with their self-manufactured expectations. Never mind that something like Pro-Tools costs an order of magnitude more and charges for updates.
People should not blame the developers as though they create the hype around here. We do that.
Ironically, it’s the bigger companies that do create the marketing hype, that more often under-perform the little guys.
BM3 is another example. Those guys didn’t create all the ridiculous expectations around its release. Certain very excited people around here did that. Others pushed, and pushed, and complained and complained about how long it was taking to release. Then when it was pushed out prematurely and missing features people bitched like hell.
Yet such bitterness comes out toward Intua as if they duped us somehow. It’s just not right.
@wim +1 Agree 100% on all accounts
The Merry Pranksters, on their way to meet Timothy Leary lol
Auria Pro is a bit like Pro Tools... lagging with releases to keep up with Mac OS
I’m still on Mountain Lion to please my Pro Tools version.
Why fix a tool if it’s working.
But Auria Pro needs a serious update. It will keep up user confidence.
I remeber those protools days when i would always be behind on os’s. I’m not pissed. I deserve it, should have waited a few days and verified. I’m sure it will be sorted out. In the meantime it’s not like i don’t have 300 other ways of making music.
"You're either on the bus or you're off the bus...."
I take your point, from a developer POV. Yet, at the same time regardless of complexity, this is one developer saying if you want the product to keep working, don’t update until I tell you I am ready. Meanwhile, the majority of developers quietly get on with the job, and progress it achieved. Okay, IOS 11 has its problems, too, but overall it is an improvement, and being expected not to use it for the sake of one app does grate a little.
Respectfully, it is not hype to expect an established premier product to keep working with an update of the OS it was designed to run on.
Definitely on. I’m a big Grateful Dead
Respectfully, you totally missed the point.
I don’t think I did. But no worries.
This thread displeases me.
I was re-reading the Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test (for about the 100th time) in my back garden, one sunny afternoon in Devon.
Watching the local news later that evening I discovered that at one point, if I'd put the book down and looked over the back fence, I would have seen Furthur pass by in full regalia, with Kesey and the surviving Prankers on top playing flutes and waving flags on their way to Cornwall.
Probably just as well I didn't, as it'd probably have tipped my mind.
Back on topic, I'm definitely on the bus regards Auria, still my favourite DAW.
I would like to take this opportunity to give Lars and the gang over at Cubasisa huge shoutout for all they do to make it the most stable DaW for IOS. Keep up the great work.
I’m on the roof rack, too scared to open the doors until the app gets fixed.
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Yep, it’s a great app. I wish they’d seriously take on AP, as true competition is healthy.
Cubasis will not break there stable platform to be more like Auria anytime soon so do not hold your breath. Pretty sure Cubasis would rather continue being at top.
I'm up front sitting next to Cassady, still rapping on iOS 10 you understand...
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I was ‘t thinking of breaking anything, Tritonman. More like adding useful stuff such as dual axis audio editing, and maybe a deal with Kontact, or another desktop developer, to offer various filters on IOS. All good.