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Whoa, any chance you can upload that Rockman to the tonecloud?
It's there. In BIAS FX, do a search for "Scholz Lead" and you'll get two results from Keith's Microwave. (That's me.) In BIAS AMP, search for "Peace of Mind (Rhythm)" or just "Scholz" to find the amp I created for the BIAS FX tones.
Yeah, I got those. And, they sound mint! Thanks man.
Sweet! Love me the Scholz. Thx for the preset!
Awesome!
So, getting back to the original post / point, I don't think I'd be able to emulate Tom Scholz's tone using ToneStack. Maybe I could, but it would take some serious EQ trial and error, and I'm not even sure I'd get this close. With BIAS AMP and their matching algorithms, it took all of five minutes. This isn't an endorsement for BIAS over ToneStack, just an example of how it's one of a variety of tools I turn to when putting together guitar tones.
Comparing guitars and amplifiers is as difficult as comparing guitarists to say which is better than the other. Some people like my tone, and when I hand them my guitar, connected to my rig, they just can't make it sound the same as I do. When I pick up someone else's guitar in their rig I most often don't sound like them. The difference is as much about playing style, attack, picking (or not) technique etc. For some they sound a lot heavier and more "metal" when they turn down the amount of distortion (as they come through clearer), some others can't play a thing if you do, and it sounds half-assed and wrong. We are all different. Just like our guitars, and amplifiers.
All I wanna know is which amp sim will speed up my f'ing fingers.
You have to buy my magic goofah dust for that!
Impulse Responses from Ownhammer, Rosen Digital, RedWirez,...loaded into Bias Amp, imported into Bias FX, is what works best for me on Mac as well as iOS...
In the end, for me, the IR is the parameter with the greatest impact on the sound. Tried it with NI Guitar Rig, same result.
The one that has you practice yer modes.
Ya, even without the amp matching, it takes me waaaaaay longer to dial in a good tone out of anything but Bias or JamUp. Sometimes it's tweaking a download, and sometimes starting from scratch. I can get out an excellent sound. Easy Peasy. Listen to my Megadethish tone on the cloud, and tell me that isn't pretty darn good. lol.........
It’s still interesting to me how varied people’s opinions are, but I think it would help these discussions if we specified our preferred kinds of tones (clean, blues, rock, metal etc) because each of the apps excels at different tonal ranges.
I read a technical paper, which I barely understood, which basically posited that the nature of digital modeling and distortion dictates that the kind of sound you’re going for (clean, mild breakup, full on distortion) dictates how you design the software for best results. Leaning one way is by definition detrimental to the other kinds of tones.
This would explain why the vast, vast majority of Bias fans and endorsers are metal players. Bias seems the clear winner for heavily saturated tones, but as a 60’s mid gain Marshall fan, I really really don’t like Bias. Wanted to like it, but it always sounds shrill and honky no matter what I do.
I also found that using external real fuzz pedals in front of Bias (for Hendrix sounds) completely shuts it down. It just can’t handle it; it gets mushy and flabby (not in a good way).
Tonestack and Amplitube handle external fuzzes like a champ. At least, they do for me (Tascam US 2x2 interface).
And I love Tonestack’s 67 Anglia amp. (67 Super Lead). It’s the only SL model I’ve ever found that does the Hendrix/Cream thing with the rough, jagged low end vs everyone else’s SL which is more of a 12000 tight, focused EVH tone.
This post makes sense to me. Though I am mainly a metal player, I do play many styles of music. I think Bias FX is pretty nice sounding for the country tones I use, I have a surf guitar tone that sounds great. I've made several worship guitar tones that do as well. But.........TS's FX pedals are still the best I've heard.
TS effects are indeed great.
how are you loading custom IRs into bias amp on iOS?
I need to use fiddlicator for IRs and I always have trouble getting levels correct when using IAA apps.
Do you think using a Bias Amp model imported to jamup will sound different than if the bias amp model was loaded into the Tonestack chain? Or even different still if it is loaded after TS or Jamup in an AUM mixer chain?
I am trying to figure this out in order to get better sounds from these apps. I always feel like I have some distortion that is more like clipping from bad levels than it is actually modeled distortion
I use the desktop version of Bias Amp (and Bias FX) to create custom amps which I upload to the cloud and download to the iPad or iPhone. Don't use JamUp/Tonestack anymore because Bias souds better to my ears.
Hi guys!
I want to share my experience with digital emulators for iphone for my guitar:
I have tried for many months Ampkit, Jamup, Amplitube, Mobile POD and Tonestack.
Just to clarify something that i don't see written anywhere in the sites of the creators of the above software, you MUST connect your ipad/iphone output to an FRFR amplifier or at least a hi-fi amplifier (yes, the one that your dad listens to his CDs!!) in order to feel their tonal quality. DON' T connect your ipad/iphone output to a guitar amplifier!!! The result SUCKS!!! due to the colorization of the sound through the guitar amp and speaker.
All the above emulators can get you near to the tone you are looking for, but not right on the spot.
Ampkit is the most user-friendly, but to my opinion the sound is thin (to much treble, too low bass).
BUT, it has a built-in super fantastic looper, so you can insert short mp3s with drum/bass and play along with them
SEAMLESSLY. I still use Ampkit just for this looper to accompany my guitar playing. If you want a portable drum looper and you own an iphone/ipod/ipad, this is the best and cheapest solution.
Jamup has the best sound of all, includes a song slow-down utility that is nice, but overall, its not very user friendly, and the play-along looper sucks.
Amplitube has the worst sound of all, it is hard to learn to navigate it, but it has a very good built-in drum looper with adjustable bpm! Cool!!
Mobile POD has a medium sound quality, and i think it targets guitarists that want distorted sound. Not user friendly.
Tonestack has the ability to split the signal, so if you want to create complicate parallel-delay sounds (like eventide h9 or Strymon Dig) this is a cheap alternative. It also offers unusual effects (not like the others) if you want to experiment with your sound. The overall sound is not great, but its OK.
So after months of experimenting with the above pieces of software, i ended up buying a Fender Mustang I v2 for 125 euros. The tone is fantastic, way beyond my wildest dream, the PC software (FUSE) that you get for free to adjust your pedal-chains is very good, and they also gave me a free, Lite version of Ableton, that is a professional tool for music production!!! Just for 125 euros!! Imagine what more you can do now with Mustang GT amps that appeared few months ago with many more abilities.
I have a Mustang Floor thingy, it seems to do the job for an amateur noodler such as myself. The FUSE software is also useful.
On mobile I like Bias FX for the amp sims and Tonestack for the effects.
Ampkit and Amplitube I’ve tried but don’t gel with me.
I like taking a more freeform route these days through AUM and routing my musical stylings through whatever I feel like. Audulus patches if I’m feel particularly adventurous.
The joys of choice, marvellous.
It is for this reason that I have debated getting a PA system to plug the iPad into instead of buying a guitar amp. Right now I play via ToneStack into either my iMac or directly into headphones, and I accomplished roughly the same thing by hooking up my old stereo system and plugging in from the headphone jack into my Phono RCA ports using an adapter. It sounds really awesome, though to be honest I prefer the sound from a guitar amp... but there is just no way to get the variety of sounds using an amp versus a PA.
In the band that I'm in one of the guys has a PA system that we exclusively run the vocals through. Next time I'm up there I'm going to ask if I can run the iPad through it also, I just need to get a 25 foot cord to reach from my side of the stage to the PA first!
Ok, I play a Telecaster and love a good sharp, angular, overdriven guitar. My go-to used to be a Peavey Classic 30. Any app or IAP particularly good for achieving that sound? Or, alternatively, use Cheap Trick’s ‘Surrender’ as an approximation of what I’m looking for.
I usually just stick to Fabfilter Saturn instead of wading through all the amp sims, which are to me the digital equivalent of a mess of cables and pedal setups lying on the floor. But I’ve got some Xmas credit to blow.
I run tonestack in a powerwerks 50w PA and it sounds pretty good to my ears. I think that as far as sounds go it's a toss up between tonestack and bias. Bias sounds warmer for sure but it also feels less optimized and has worse latency. Tonestack has worked flawlessly for me in both recording and live settings. Specifically the latter I've never had it crash or bug out during a live performance and the optimization means there's almost no latency so it's been the preferred option
Also it has the best fx pedals in terms of sound and selection in my opinion. The amps could be a bit warmer but they sound very good. You're never going to completely capture the sound of a real tube amp and also a real cab moving air is something that while simulated well just never beats the real thing. I just learned to enjoy and work within the paradigm of what I have. It's about music not gear in my mind
For bass, I think amplitube sounds the best, their ampeg models are really good and the dual mics on a cabinet really give a ton of variety. Bias/ bias fx, while really cool in concept, just don't work well for me. They're not terrible, but I like amplitube better. Jam up can be cool on bass depending on the settings. I fall in and out of liking tonestack- good options, some good effects, but still, I like amplitube better.
However, after doing about 6 months worth of gigs using ios direct into a PA, with varying success (noise from interfaces was an issue, line6 toneport no noise, plus a real line output, but no charging option so had to keep disconnecting on breaks to make sure I still had a charge). Just after new years last year I made major changes after my rig was not up to the task backing an oldies act up on new years eve, and got a genz benz streamliner 900, refurbished an ear candy 1x12 that someone gave me, got a 3x10 cabinet claimed to be an epifani but was rebuilt, and built a pedalboard and have never been happier with my sound. Bandleaders are saying that too so that's a definite plus. The DI from the genz benz is just beautiful.
So for me, ios amp sims really are now for practicing with headphones for learning tunes, or for playing bad guitar parts on any demos I make as I have no guitar amps. Even with that, I think garageband gets the majority of use because it's so easy for making demos.
I started experimenting with the iPad for stage effects last year for a tour of Australia as a way of cutting down on luggage. I bought and thoroughly tried out every system I could find before I left and chose Tonestack as it seemed to have just the edge on Bias and Amplitube. However, once I started the tour my opinion changed horribly - every gig, big festival stages and smaller halls, the sound was just awful. Brittle, very digital, embarrassing. Once I loaded up and sorted out a basic pedalboard on Bias FX it was very different experience and, I have to say, a huge relief.
I don’t know why there should be such a difference in Tonestack between its sound in small, studio type, audio systems and full-scale festival rigs but there certainly is a difference and it’s a deal-breaker. In bigger rigs Bias just sounds way more real.
I haven't used my guitar amp for years, minus a few times when I dug out my BOSS gt-3.
I use a Pioneer Receiver into two KLH speakers, I bought nearly 25 years ago.
Gets as loud if not louder than my AMP, and sounds incredibly good. Especially when I use Bias FX/AMP. The tones I can get, and the ease I can get them is a breeze. 2nd for me is a tie between Amp One, THM, and ToneBridge. I love TS for the FX Pedals. Everything else including the distortions is subpar IMO. The distortions for Metal in TS are even "fake" sounding to me. Way too digital, and a pain in the ass to try and make sound decent.
Anyway, that's me, and.......I've been wrong before, but....Not when it comes to Metal
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i LOVE Yonac synths, Magellan, Kaspar, Kauldren, theyre are great to me, I wish Magellan was an Au but no biggie, I just couldnt get into Tonestack, even after buying the full version, I always liked Bias Amp and Bias Fx better and even Amplitube. Im actually using Amplitube's Fender collection 2's, 65 super reverb with the fulltone OCD pedal, a lot these days.
I haven't found this to be the case. Playing into a tube amp warms up the tone tremendously. That being said, you must be very careful about what amps and cabs you use within the app. Some can sound dreadful, but if you audition them all I'll bet you'll end up with a combination that sounds great. I listen for an amp/cab pair that sounds really natural through the amp, and then polish it up a bit more with EQ. I found combinations that work so well with my Bugera that I've yet to find a real amp or pedal that can beat it.
I don't know how you guys deal with the latency in iOS playing guitar through these amp sim apps, especially while stacking multiple apps and effects. I thought it would be cool and bought a jam interface but the latency was total deal breaker for me. Hope it improves in the future.
as mentioned in another thread: in fact it was better (!) in the past... a couple of years ago.
The culprit seems to be Apple with IOS versions > 9
My latency on stage with Bias FX in iTrack dock and in-ear monitoring is the same as standing 7 feet in front of an amp - totally acceptable.