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  • @zhoe said:
    The app should've been finished long ago

    Kind of impossible to judge this from our side of the App Store, no? There is no "should" here–the guy doesn't owe us anything. Think the only reason he put any dates out there was because people wouldn't let up on asking him. And that ramped up considerably due to the iOS11 -> NS1 death. He gave his best estimate. It wasn't right. I'm really glad the public doesn't get follow along with all of my wrong estimates at work!

    We know he makes good shit. We know good shit takes time. Certainly, there's not a single person on the planet that wants the app released more than Matt does.

  • @hansjbs said:
    Did this guy just say that BM1 was not a pioneer app??? Lol. Are you saying that intua are not pioneers??? If it wasn’t for intua who made BM1 and developers saw that people had interest in music apps I don’t think we would be as far as we are right now. Did you know that BM1 came out before the App Store? It sold a lot once the store came onboard and paved way for others to do the same. Show some respect. Sure it wasn’t professional but....you know what let me just stop right now so I won’t get caught in your madness. Lol

    Lol

    You are wrong there

    If there was no AppStore then how on Earth was bm1 purchased lmao

  • @Samplemunch said:

    @Love3quency said.

    and once I get going I can’t stop!!

    You are right there !!!

    Indeed, I have my moments lol

  • @syrupcore said:

    @zhoe said:
    The app should've been finished long ago

    Kind of impossible to judge this from our side of the App Store, no? There is no "should" here–the guy doesn't owe us anything. Think the only reason he put any dates out there was because people wouldn't let up on asking him. And that ramped up considerably due to the iOS11 -> NS1 death. He gave his best estimate. It wasn't right. I'm really glad the public doesn't get follow along with all of my wrong estimates at work!

    We know he makes good shit. We know good shit takes time. Certainly, there's not a single person on the planet that wants the app released more than Matt does.

    Ok cheers, please keep us updated eh? I know u r on that forum more than most

  • Btw @hansjbs amidio and retronyms were pioneers and soundtrends

  • edited December 2017

    Just so you know, BM1 was what I needed to invest in an iPod which later on le > @Love3quency said:

    @hansjbs said:
    Did this guy just say that BM1 was not a pioneer app??? Lol. Are you saying that intua are not pioneers??? If it wasn’t for intua who made BM1 and developers saw that people had interest in music apps I don’t think we would be as far as we are right now. Did you know that BM1 came out before the App Store? It sold a lot once the store came onboard and paved way for others to do the same. Show some respect. Sure it wasn’t professional but....you know what let me just stop right now so I won’t get caught in your madness. Lol

    Lol

    You are wrong there

    If there was no AppStore then how on Earth was bm1 purchased lmao

    Just right there showed me you’re a so called newbie just like you claim people using BM3 are. LOL. It came out on Cydia first before there was an App Store and as soon as I found out about this I bought an iPod.

  • @Love3quency go do your homework if you would have read the recent intua article on CDM you would have known about this. I’ve been using iOS apps since the beginning and remember how big BM1 was for iOS music.
    Here go read———- http://cdm.link/2017/12/beatmaker-caught-ios-music-trend-even-started/

  • edited December 2017

    @syrupcore said:

    @zhoe said:
    The app should've been finished long ago

    Kind of impossible to judge this from our side of the App Store, no? There is no "should" here–the guy doesn't owe us anything. Think the only reason he put any dates out there was because people wouldn't let up on asking him. And that ramped up considerably due to the iOS11 -> NS1 death. He gave his best estimate. It wasn't right. I'm really glad the public doesn't get follow along with all of my wrong estimates at work!

    We know he makes good shit. We know good shit takes time. Certainly, there's not a single person on the planet that wants the app released more than Matt does.

    I should've added 'by his own admission' because I am not judging him. Expectation comes from the very nature of customer relations, interactions etc. For example, you go to a store and ask: hey do you have xyz. The guy who works there tells you, 'no, we don't at the moment, but we will get it tomorrow. You come tomorrow but they say, sorry, not tomorrow, but next month. Luckily, we don't have to 'walk' to iTunes store, but the essence of that relationship stays the same. I do occasionally check NS forums, and by his own admission he said the NS would be released in September along with the new iOS11, then he said it would definitely be released on Xmas, and now he said he needs another 'few weeks'. Maybe you are reading too much into people's disappointments that the release was again postponed, but that is a testament to the quality of NS. But again, I have only initially replied to @Love3quency dissing of Intua, which I thought was not necessary. Lastly, I am copying Matt's own announcement/schedule in relation to NS, so you understand where I am coming from. To conclude, NS devs or any devs don't owe us anything for which we didn't pay, but this is a forum in which we freely discuss technical stuff and other stuff about new releases, upcoming releases, etc, so everything is within boundaries of a civil discussion, methinks.

    "1. Ideally I want to have NS2 out in September to tie in with the release of iOS 11.
    2. Failing that, I absolutely must release in 2017 even if that means delaying the introduction of a few features.
    3. Whatever happens, the features I deliver in the first version must be well thought out, robust, and stable."

  • @hansjbs said:
    @Love3quency go do your homework if you would have read the recent intua article on CDM you would have known about this. I’ve been using iOS apps since the beginning and remember how big BM1 was for iOS music.
    Here go read———- http://cdm.link/2017/12/beatmaker-caught-ios-music-trend-even-started/

    Precisely my point. When I first bought BM1 there were NO musicmaking programs for iOS at that time. Zero. Zilch. I was one of the first who bought it, and I can clearly remember having a discussion with not more than a couple of other users on the old Intua forum. Luckily other people bought it as well and roughly a year later, other devs slowly but surely started to make their own apps. It's funny that we talk about NS, and if you remember, when NS was first released, there was also lively debates at Intua about which app is better, etc. Kinda like Apple vs PC :)

  • @hansjbs said:
    Did this guy just say that BM1 was not a pioneer app??? Lol. Are you saying that intua are not pioneers??? If it wasn’t for intua who made BM1 and developers saw that people had interest in music apps I don’t think we would be as far as we are right now. Did you know that BM1 came out before the App Store? It sold a lot once the store came onboard and paved way for others to do the same. I needed a good enough reason to invest in an iPod and BM1 was the push I needed. Sure it wasn’t professional but as a someone who enjoys making music it was something special. This led me into buying an iPad and going mobile with BM2, Nanostudio, iMPC and all the other great apps that were early adapters.....you know what let me just stop right now so I won’t get caught in your madness. Lol

    +1

  • @zhoe said:

    @hansjbs said:
    @Love3quency go do your homework if you would have read the recent intua article on CDM you would have known about this. I’ve been using iOS apps since the beginning and remember how big BM1 was for iOS music.
    Here go read———- http://cdm.link/2017/12/beatmaker-caught-ios-music-trend-even-started/

    Precisely my point. When I first bought BM1 there were NO musicmaking programs for iOS at that time. Zero. Zilch. I was one of the first who bought it, and I can clearly remember having a discussion with not more than a couple of other users on the old Intua forum. Luckily other people bought it as well and roughly a year later, other devs slowly but surely started to make their own apps. It's funny that we talk about NS, and if you remember, when NS was first released, there was also lively debates at Intua about which app is better, etc. Kinda like Apple vs PC :)

    Yep. Which is where I don’t want this to go, a Beatmaker Vs Nanstudio. They both have their place

  • @zhoe I get ya! Just trying to avoid these little factions. Now let me get a track finished goddammit...

  • @hansjbs said:

    @zhoe said:

    @hansjbs said:
    @Love3quency go do your homework if you would have read the recent intua article on CDM you would have known about this. I’ve been using iOS apps since the beginning and remember how big BM1 was for iOS music.
    Here go read———- http://cdm.link/2017/12/beatmaker-caught-ios-music-trend-even-started/

    Precisely my point. When I first bought BM1 there were NO musicmaking programs for iOS at that time. Zero. Zilch. I was one of the first who bought it, and I can clearly remember having a discussion with not more than a couple of other users on the old Intua forum. Luckily other people bought it as well and roughly a year later, other devs slowly but surely started to make their own apps. It's funny that we talk about NS, and if you remember, when NS was first released, there was also lively debates at Intua about which app is better, etc. Kinda like Apple vs PC :)

    Yep. Which is where I don’t want this to go, a Beatmaker Vs Nanstudio. They both have their place

    Agreed. I used both in the past, and I am planning to use both in the future.

  • @gusgranite said:
    @zhoe I get ya! Just trying to avoid these little factions. Now let me get a track finished goddammit...

    A track???!!!! Nooooo...time spent on this topic is more important!!....not ;) Joke aside, I agree 100%. Good luck with the track.

  • edited December 2017

    @Love3quency said:
    At least Matt is not going to do what intua did

    He is a far better dev who’s original app was far more stable from the first release

    @Love3quency said:
    BM3 may have advanced sampling options but again relies on iap or AUV3 to get decent sounds in, NS2 will have that plus it’s own synth.

    @Love3quency said:
    It doesn’t matter because ns1 was more successful than bm2 and we will see history repeating itself no doubt.

    @Love3quency said:
    Please share your tracks, I’ve not yet heard any BM3 tracks that live up to its hype

    @Love3quency said:
    BM1 was just a music toy to sequence a few beats together and had no synths

    @Love3quency said:
    Sure, it came out before NS1 and I got both on the day of release. Many who are fans of BM3 have not been using iOS that long and have immediately jumped on these more advanced apps and take them for granted, not having gone through years of buying apps and seeing a gradual development.

    @Love3quency said:
    BM1 was not really a pioneering app whereas NS1 was and quite a few were, and still are, making full complete dance floor ready tracks with it. Go to the nano studio SoundCloud and see for yourself.

    @Love3quency said:
    So far, I just hear experiments done on BM3 posted on here and that brings me to a point:
    Bm3 is attracting those of you who want fancy tricks to play with and that’s great and I’m happy for you..but not a solid track that’s over two minutes long have I heard yet. Please post one if one exists.

    @Love3quency said:
    You can hate on me all you like but the fact is, after many months, BM3 is still full of bugs and intua cannot release the promised iPhone version because of that. And that was my contention.

    @Love3quency said:
    But for all I know, if/ when the iPhone version appears, that too might be bug ridden.

    @Love3quency said:
    NS1 was smooth from the start and so will NS2 be, it’s simple- blip interactive develops apps for people who want to make full electronica tracks, intua make apps for people who like to experiment with beats.

    @Love3quency said:
    And that’s great! But the hype about BM3 doesn’t match the output generated by the app itself and that pretty much confirms the above for me:)

    These might be your opinions but it doesn't make you sound like any less of a jerk. Repeated marginalizing/discrediting a hardworking developer, their history and then attacking the people that enjoy using the app. And are you really trying to play gatekeeper about the types of people that enjoy BM3? At the same time worshiping a developer and an app that hasn't shipped. Not that he doesn't deserve it, NS1 is great, but we are talking about an app that hasn't had an update in three years, almost four. Part of me didn't even want to bring that up but there is some irony when you are bad mouthing a developer on their third iteration of a product and each release is a huge step forward.

    I'm telling you, when NS2 drops and it's initially for iPad only I'm going to die from laughter.

    Last thing, the part that is really frustrating is that you like to take digs at Intua in threads that aren't even about them. Case in point, this thread.

  • edited December 2017

    @Love3quency said:

    @zhoe said:

    @Love3quency said:

    @dendy said:

    At least Matt is not going to do what intua did

    He is a far better dev who’s original app was far more stable from the first release

    I was just curious but not so excited due to things like GarageBand AUV3, the potential of Rozeta within AUM etc

    Makes sense that Matt finishes it off proper

    I disagree in relation to Intua if I may. Yes, the Nano Studio was stable, but I have already completed a few tracks with BM3 and can live with an occasional crash or a bug. There's no such a thing as a perfect app. There will always be someone complaining about something, it is just the nature of the game. So, although, NS was more stable from the first release than BM, Intua were the pioneers and everyone else joined the party later. Also, what's not 'stable' is a somewhat loose relationship with announcements from the NS dev. If I'm not mistaken, this is a second major delay. The app should've been finished long ago, then he had a major tech hiccup so he guaranteed the release for this Xmas. It is now postponed again, (for a few weeks) and I can bet it won't come out until Spring. I don't have any problems with any dev releasing their app when THEY feel it is ready, but then no need to build the hype, go with release dates, and so on. All that said, Matt comes across as a decent fella, so I understand people might prefer to wait a long time for his app. Just my two pence.

    I appreciate your points...

    The original nano studio was the first self contained daw like app on iOS and it inspired bm2 which was similar apart from it lacked synths which NS had

    BM3 may have advanced sampling options but again relies on iap or AUV3 to get decent sounds in, NS2 will have that plus it’s own synth.

    For best results with BM3 use an audio interface and non-iOS sources. ;)

  • Last thing, the part that is really frustrating is that you like to take digs at Intua in threads that aren't even about them. Case in point, this thread.

    +1

  • @Love3quency

    NS2 is going to be iPad only at launch btw.. check nanostudio forums

  • @Love3quency said:

    @hansjbs said:
    Did this guy just say that BM1 was not a pioneer app??? Lol. Are you saying that intua are not pioneers??? If it wasn’t for intua who made BM1 and developers saw that people had interest in music apps I don’t think we would be as far as we are right now. Did you know that BM1 came out before the App Store? It sold a lot once the store came onboard and paved way for others to do the same. Show some respect. Sure it wasn’t professional but....you know what let me just stop right now so I won’t get caught in your madness. Lol

    Lol

    You are wrong there

    If there was no AppStore then how on Earth was bm1 purchased lmao

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  • @mireko_2 said:
    @Love3quency

    NS2 is going to be iPad only at launch btw.. check nanostudio forums

    Hah, I thought you were trolling but it looks like it!

    • Although NanoStudio 2 will still most likely be iPad only for first release it will enable me to bring forward the release of the iPhone version, which I feel will suit more existing NanoStudio 1 users.
  • Looking forward to NS2. BM2 has been my favorite iOS DAW for 5 years now and BM3 is growing on me. Long live iOS, hope AudioBus survives the transition.

  • @philowerx said:
    Looking forward to NS2. BM2 has been my favorite iOS DAW for 5 years now and BM3 is growing on me. Long live iOS, hope AudioBus survives the transition.

    I think that's the bigger message. We need variety and should support all of these projects because it helps push iOS as a competent, practical and mature platform that will attract all kinds of people. I don't have to like everything but I support the effort. I still get mixed reactions when I talk to people about my experience with iOS and how fun it has been watching/taking part in the evolution of audio production. As a community I really wish we could stop bickering on here. I end up running my mouth when I see people being negative but it's really not helpful and takes away from time I could actually be working on music.

  • edited December 2017

    For the love of Zeus people... Don’t take the bait.

  • you can throw as much heat towards me as you like but where is a link for a complete BM3 track??

  • Decided that there is some hypocrisy here. I get heat and accused of trolling and dissing, yet it’s ok for those that disagree with me to troll and diss me.

    Not my intention to create arguments here, just brutally honest discussions.

    I guess our mutual points are valid for better or for worse.

    Another contention I have is that it’s simply annoying how this forum is almost like the BM3 forum at times and that there is so much time discussing this app yet hardly any music is shared from it. There are so many other apps that could be focused on and understood better for our mutual benefit. And they just keep getting released.

    I’ve concluded that by me bringing up BM3 that I’m triggering even more long winded talk about it and will not get the results I need- iPhone version and evidence that people are crafting full songs with it.

    Apologies for any angst peeps

    I’ll end this here

    Peace

  • @Love3quency said:
    you can throw as much heat towards me as you like but where is a link for a complete BM3 track??

    Not everybody who has done a fantastic track on any DAW will be ready to share it for all just like that.
    I'm really happy whenever someone does, but that does not mean it's a given.

  • I feel the Christmas love here...... :)
    The Audiobus forum is like iOS itself these days. It´s going to a KVR or Gearslutz standard.....or it is already.
    But it could really need also kind of FX, instruments, Off-Topic threads because here are often 10 threads about the same app and i lost track.
    What about a bitching thread too. ;)
    C´mon people. Get a hug and feel the love. I´m not better too sometimes but i try to get better :)
    O.k. this thread is about NS2. Yes, sad that it will be delayed again and i doubt Matt can pull this to the store totally bug free since it´s a lot more complex than NS1.
    Also the longer it takes, people might think it will do wonders and could be dissapointed maybe if it doesn´t make coffee for you in the morning.
    But i´m mostly interested in the FX, MIDI FX and of course the synth which is now called Obsidian. I´m sure it can´t do that analog/vintage/audio rate modulation stuff like Model 15 or Zeeon but otherwise i have the feeling it will be one of the most interesting synths in iOS land because it combines several synthesis options with great modulation possibilities. When it comes to samples i think BM3 is more advanced but i prefer hybrids these days which focus then more on the synthesis side of things. Obsidian looks like a little Falcon/Omnisphere kind of thing which doesn´t really exist in iOS now. I even hoped he would release just the synth as app (he considered it).
    But then also, the longer it takes i don´t know if i´m not already too saturated with tools and it would just take me away from creating stuff.
    I do hope NS has great new FX. Here (beside sample libraries/instruments) is the biggest gap still and i loved BM2 and would maybe BM3 but what i heard i must say the FX are mediocre really and these times i expect more, also from iOS apps.

  • @Love3quency said:
    Decided that there is some hypocrisy here. I get heat and accused of trolling and dissing, yet it’s ok for those that disagree with me to troll and diss me.

    Not my intention to create arguments here, just brutally honest discussions.

    I guess our mutual points are valid for better or for worse.

    Another contention I have is that it’s simply annoying how this forum is almost like the BM3 forum at times and that there is so much time discussing this app yet hardly any music is shared from it. There are so many other apps that could be focused on and understood better for our mutual benefit. And they just keep getting released.

    I’ve concluded that by me bringing up BM3 that I’m triggering even more long winded talk about it and will not get the results I need- iPhone version and evidence that people are crafting full songs with it.

    Apologies for any angst peeps

    I’ll end this here

    Peace

    A claim that it is ‘not your intention to create arguements’ is a false one in my opinion. You don’t seem to accept anything that has been argued here, and you keep going on about two things; BM3 being universal and asking people to share BM3 tracks. What about adressing your own starting points first: the fact NS2 won’t be universal either, and that you didn’t provide your own tracks fully made on NS2. That is how it works if one wants to be both polite and contentious, but also consistent with its own argument. You first say your name and then ask me what’s my name. But people here will not ask you to post your own songs, because this is the forum where we discuss tech apps’ stuff, specs, features, announcements etc. Ocassionaly, people will share their work, but this is not the forum for it, anyway, and as someone already said, people might feel reluctant to do it because it won’t be the right way to argue any technical point. Music taste is subjective anyway, and you have already admitted that you heard FINISHED songs on BM3 but that you didn’t like them. Since it is impossible to argue subjective issues, I rest my case.

  • @zhoe said:

    @Love3quency said:
    Decided that there is some hypocrisy here. I get heat and accused of trolling and dissing, yet it’s ok for those that disagree with me to troll and diss me.

    Not my intention to create arguments here, just brutally honest discussions.

    I guess our mutual points are valid for better or for worse.

    Another contention I have is that it’s simply annoying how this forum is almost like the BM3 forum at times and that there is so much time discussing this app yet hardly any music is shared from it. There are so many other apps that could be focused on and understood better for our mutual benefit. And they just keep getting released.

    I’ve concluded that by me bringing up BM3 that I’m triggering even more long winded talk about it and will not get the results I need- iPhone version and evidence that people are crafting full songs with it.

    Apologies for any angst peeps

    I’ll end this here

    Peace

    A claim that it is ‘not your intention to create arguements’ is a false one in my opinion. You don’t seem to accept anything that has been argued here, and you keep going on about two things; BM3 being universal and asking people to share BM3 tracks. What about adressing your own starting points first: the fact NS2 won’t be universal either, and that you didn’t provide your own tracks fully made on NS2. That is how it works if one wants to be both polite and contentious, but also consistent with its own argument. You first say your name and then ask me what’s my name. But people here will not ask you to post your own songs, because this is the forum where we discuss tech apps’ stuff, specs, features, announcements etc. Ocassionaly, people will share their work, but this is not the forum for it, anyway, and as someone already said, people might feel reluctant to do it because it won’t be the right way to argue any technical point. Music taste is subjective anyway, and you have already admitted that you heard FINISHED songs on BM3 but that you didn’t like them. Since it is impossible to argue subjective issues, I rest my case.

    I can say that I’ve never finished any song to my liking. Not enough to actually say here is a finished song! I have lots of apps - are they all rubbish because I don’t complete song? No, of course not.

    I can however say, that I have got closer with BM3 than I ever have with any other app, but does that mean it’s better? No, of course not. It means it fits me now at this time.

    All this of course has no bearing on NS2 because it’s irrelevant to that app, the dev of that app or even if I should buy that app or not. NS2 will be ‘another thing’ - just as iMPC Pro2 or Auria or Cubasis etc etc. They are just apps and have little bearing on if I make good music or crap music....that is and will always be down to my own skills.

  • The point is that it’s a pro music app and likely the most hyped one of all time

    Reluctance / inability to release decent tracks with it proves my points further

    Sorry

    Let’s hear some results of usage please, after all.. that’s what apps are for - results!

    The end product

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