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Best for making beats? And another question

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  • robosardinerobosardine

    @Love3quency said:

    @david_2017 said:

    @Love3quency said:

    @robosardine said:
    Surprised that DM1 hasn’t been mentioned- I would take a look at that. I would think that Groove Rider could be an option- I’ve been having so much fun with the synth that I haven’t yet explored much on its drums- but I do know that sculpting the drum sounds can get as whacked out as you want- it also has a random feature and a roll feature.

    Grooverider has a random feature

    Random velocity yes

    Velocity is no big deal for me so much, randomise everything then I’m excited !

    It has a % probability you can select for your beat to sound.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @gusgranite said:

    @Love3quency said:

    @dendy said:

    @Love3quency said:

    He mentioned “beats” not tracks

    oh yes.. i also hate when people calling music "beats", it sounds sooo stupid .. hence i put that meme above :))) but he mentioned full tracks based on context ..

    but ok .. i agree. to call music "beats" is crap ..

    maybe that name is ok for very simple music like hiphop (from where this comes), where track is almost only about beat, but not in more complex music (like trance for example) :))))

    Thus hip hop culture further confuses and degrades the English language lol

    Disappointed to read this viewpoint on a creative music forum. Not the first time though.

    Well, slang can cause problems if one doesn’t know what it means...

    Beats simply means a pattern made by drums or drum machines right?

    Come on....

  • DCJDCJ

    @Love3quency said:

    @dendy said:

    @Love3quency said:

    He mentioned “beats” not tracks

    oh yes.. i also hate when people calling music "beats", it sounds sooo stupid .. hence i put that meme above :))) but he mentioned full tracks based on context ..

    but ok .. i agree. to call music "beats" is crap ..

    maybe that name is ok for very simple music like hiphop (from where this comes), where track is almost only about beat, but not in more complex music (like trance for example) :))))

    Thus hip hop culture further confuses and degrades the English language lol

    Hip hop culture further degrades the English language. Culture, specifically. Wow. That answers a lot of questions I never cared to ask before re: your viewpoint.

    I’m not being facetious when I say this honestly makes me sad, but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. Some will think it’s no big deal, but the implications of such a statement might be more far reaching than most are comfortable to admit. I hope you seriously consider researching slang and the evolution of the English language as well as the aspects of hip hop culture that have influenced far more than just language.

    @dendy I’m not sure if your claim that hip hop is simple music is serious, but I hope you re-evaluate this as well.

    I think we all need to do better.

  • JeffChasteenJeffChasteen

    @DCJ said:

    @Love3quency said:

    @dendy said:

    @Love3quency said:

    He mentioned “beats” not tracks

    oh yes.. i also hate when people calling music "beats", it sounds sooo stupid .. hence i put that meme above :))) but he mentioned full tracks based on context ..

    but ok .. i agree. to call music "beats" is crap ..

    maybe that name is ok for very simple music like hiphop (from where this comes), where track is almost only about beat, but not in more complex music (like trance for example) :))))

    Thus hip hop culture further confuses and degrades the English language lol

    Hip hop culture further degrades the English language. Culture, specifically. Wow. That answers a lot of questions I never cared to ask before re: your viewpoint.

    I’m not being facetious when I say this honestly makes me sad, but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised. Some will think it’s no big deal, but the implications of such a statement might be more far reaching than most are comfortable to admit. I hope you seriously consider researching slang and the evolution of the English language as well as the aspects of hip hop culture that have influenced far more than just language.

    @dendy I’m not sure if your claim that hip hop is simple music is serious, but I hope you re-evaluate this as well.

    I think we all need to do better.

    This

  • AudioGusAudioGus
    edited January 2018

    I just don't like change of any kind. We need to make music great again.

    Edit: I am a truly horrible person today, :trollface:

  • dendydendy

    @DCJ

    @dendy I’m not sure if your claim that hip hop is simple music is serious, but I hope you re-evaluate this as well.

    I'm not saying hiphop is bad music ! I generally don't say about any music that it is better or worst than other - i think this would be arrogant.. It is all art which speaks to you or not...

    BUT ! From pure technical point of view, fproduction difficultity, simply all styles are NOT equal.. that is pure fact .. some needs more knowledge, other less, somehere is sound design more complicated, somewhere less..

    From this point of view, hiphop is not so complicated, hiphop beats do not need advanced sound design like fir example harder drum&bass genres (those various neuro basses, screetches)... Drums are quite basic, there are not used any advanced layering techniques (or they are used just rately) like in drum&bads, also melodic part is very often based just on cutting and rearranging sampled loops and there aren't much used advanced synth sound dedign techniques..

    Again - this doesn't mean it is wrong music ! Point of HH is somewhere else than advanced sound design. But from the pure producent's point of view, it is simpler than some other styles.

  • db909db909
    edited January 2018

    @dendy said:
    @DCJ

    @dendy I’m not sure if your claim that hip hop is simple music is serious, but I hope you re-evaluate this as well.

    I'm not saying hiphop is bad music ! I generally don't say about any music that it is better or worst than other - i think this would be arrogant.. It is all art which speaks to you or not...

    BUT ! From pure technical point of view, fproduction difficultity, simply all styles are NOT equal.. that is pure fact .. some needs more knowledge, other less, somehere is sound design more complicated, somewhere less..

    From this point of view, hiphop is not so complicated, hiphop beats do not need advanced sound design like fir example harder drum&bass genres (those various neuro basses, screetches)... Drums are quite basic, there are not used any advanced layering techniques (or they are used just rately) like in drum&bads, also melodic part is very often based just on cutting and rearranging sampled loops and there aren't much used advanced synth sound dedign techniques..

    Again - this doesn't mean it is wrong music ! Point of HH is somewhere else than advanced sound design. But from the pure producent's point of view, it is simpler than some other styles.

    I understand what youre saying, even though i don’t think it’s totally accurate, but be prepared for someone to give you a lot of shit for this statement. It won’t be me though. I don’t make hip hop, but I’m positive those that do would have much to argue here.

  • CracklePotCracklePot

    I thought "beats" just meant the backing track for the MC to rap over. So it is the "song" part of a rap tune. Most rappers just needed some "beats" to rap over, so people produced "beats" for these rappers, who then combined the beats and rap into a finished product. Beats are more like loops for EDM folk. Short 1-4 bar sections that repeat with some variety to develop a whole song-length backing track to rap or jam over.
    Just look back at how DJs used to mix the breakbeats to keep them going, so the MC could rap over the top of the continuously looping breakbeat section of a vinyl record. Later tech allowed the creation of looped audio files, as well as the programming of your own beats. But people were still just making "beats" for the MC to rap over. In HipHop, the workflow/mindset has probably stayed the same, so they still use the phrase "making beats."

  • dendydendy
    edited January 2018

    @DCJ

    but be prepared for someone to give you a lot of shit for this statement.

    i'm ok with that :-) I'm 40 years old asshole, i make music sice 1995, i have my opinions based on my experience .. if somebody will give me lot shit because of my opinions then well - i will not fight back.. so, no chance for famewar here , i simply said my opinion and why i think that things are like i said it, thats all.. respect to all opinions, i stay with mine :)

  • db909db909

    @dendy said:
    @DCJ

    but be prepared for someone to give you a lot of shit for this statement.

    i'm ok with that :-) I'm 40 years old asshole, i make music sice 1995, i have my opinions based on my experience .. if somebody will give me lot shit because of my opinions then well - i will not fight back.. so, no chance for famewar here , i simply said my opinion and why i think that things are like i said it, thats all.. respect to all opinions, i stay with mine :)

    It’s all good dude.

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @Love3quency said:
    Thus hip hop culture further confuses and degrades the English language lol

    What do we call a “truck” in England? A “lorry”. What do we call a cigarette in England? A “f-g”. What do we call an “apartment”? A “flat”. “Going on vacation” is “going on hols”. Even small phrases like “should we go now” are said as “shall we go now” in England.

    The point is, English as many dialects.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dialects_of_the_English_language

    If you’ll look under the United States, you’ll see that “African American English” is officially recognised as a valid dialect. There is no degradation nor confusion of the English language here, only the evolution of a vernacular.

    And that’s only in regards to language. That doesn’t even take into account as to the history of hiphop nor the reasons why it formed in the first place. You’d do well to do your research.

  • kobamotokobamoto

    @dendy said:

    @AudioGus said:
    Heh, yah a while ago (before I grudgingly adopted the new hip english) I was on a train with my Circuit and a lawyery looking woman asked me if I was ‘making beats’ to which I replied that I have a melody going too. She just looked at me like I was the idiot.

    Almost died by laughing :-D :-D :-D

    one of us didn't get it> @db909 said:

    @dendy said:
    @DCJ

    @dendy I’m not sure if your claim that hip hop is simple music is serious, but I hope you re-evaluate this as well.

    I'm not saying hiphop is bad music ! I generally don't say about any music that it is better or worst than other - i think this would be arrogant.. It is all art which speaks to you or not...

    BUT ! From pure technical point of view, fproduction difficultity, simply all styles are NOT equal.. that is pure fact .. some needs more knowledge, other less, somehere is sound design more complicated, somewhere less..

    From this point of view, hiphop is not so complicated, hiphop beats do not need advanced sound design like fir example harder drum&bass genres (those various neuro basses, screetches)... Drums are quite basic, there are not used any advanced layering techniques (or they are used just rately) like in drum&bads, also melodic part is very often based just on cutting and rearranging sampled loops and there aren't much used advanced synth sound dedign techniques..

    Again - this doesn't mean it is wrong music ! Point of HH is somewhere else than advanced sound design. But from the pure producent's point of view, it is simpler than some other styles.

    I understand what youre saying, even though i don’t think it’s totally accurate, but be prepared for someone to give you a lot of shit for this statement. It won’t be me though. I don’t make hip hop, but I’m positive those that do would have much to argue here.

    not at all, I've seen this before and learned to have pity. It doesn't make any sense to get upset over someones lack of knowledge, knowledge is something one has to seek. I wish them well in their journey.

  • mschenkel.itmschenkel.it

    About hip/hop music compared to neuro dnb(being one of those unsuccessful guys who tried to make neuro with no success at all)@dendy:
    Neuro has tons of sound design but HH has a lot of musicality/musical ear/inspiration-from-known material involved.

  • dendydendy
    edited January 2018

    To be honest, i appreciate lot more musicallity of those original jazz or soul songs which fragments are then sampled for producing "beats" :-)

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Love3quency said:
    Thus hip hop culture further confuses and degrades the English language lol

    What do we call a “truck” in England? A “lorry”. What do we call a cigarette in England? A “f-g”. What do we call an “apartment”? A “flat”. “Going on vacation” is “going on hols”. Even small phrases like “should we go now” are said as “shall we go now” in England.

    The point is, English as many dialects.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dialects_of_the_English_language

    If you’ll look under the United States, you’ll see that “African American English” is officially recognised as a valid dialect. There is no degradation nor confusion of the English language here, only the evolution of a vernacular.

    And that’s only in regards to language. That doesn’t even take into account as to the history of hiphop nor the reasons why it formed in the first place. You’d do well to do your research.

    Assumptions again!!!

    I know full well how hip hop was created

    Kool dj herc
    Fab five Freddy
    Bambatta
    Cold crush brothers

    Evolvers like mantronix

    Mcs like ultramagnetic

    The bridge wars between Shan and boogie down productions

    I hardly call addressing women as bitches and hoes as evolution of language

    I live in the uk, what you guys do there is up to you, but I know for sure that the reason why the “F” word is so commonly used by under tens these days is because of gangsta rap

    Basically I quit hip hop after NWA pretty much messed it up, even though the original gangsta was ice t

    So, please don’t make assumptions about what I do or don’t know

    I’ve been into all kinds of electronic music for years and know a lot of people involved.

    This is a forum, likely none of us know each other in real life so... it’s dangerous to assume and speculate

    Now chill out homie, go back to your crib and put ya boom box on lol

  • DCJDCJ

    @dendy said:
    To be honest, i appreciate lot more musicallity of those original jazz or soul songs which fragments are then sampled for producing "beats" :-)

    Before I derail the thread further by getting into a detailed breakdown, do you still stand by your original statement that Trance is a more complex music than Hip Hop? And are you inferring that one genre is superior to the other? Don’t want to read too much into your comments so it helps me to ask questions first.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @dendy said:
    @DCJ

    @dendy I’m not sure if your claim that hip hop is simple music is serious, but I hope you re-evaluate this as well.

    I'm not saying hiphop is bad music ! I generally don't say about any music that it is better or worst than other - i think this would be arrogant.. It is all art which speaks to you or not...

    BUT ! From pure technical point of view, fproduction difficultity, simply all styles are NOT equal.. that is pure fact .. some needs more knowledge, other less, somehere is sound design more complicated, somewhere less..

    From this point of view, hiphop is not so complicated, hiphop beats do not need advanced sound design like fir example harder drum&bass genres (those various neuro basses, screetches)... Drums are quite basic, there are not used any advanced layering techniques (or they are used just rately) like in drum&bads, also melodic part is very often based just on cutting and rearranging sampled loops and there aren't much used advanced synth sound dedign techniques..

    Again - this doesn't mean it is wrong music ! Point of HH is somewhere else than advanced sound design. But from the pure producent's point of view, it is simpler than some other styles.

    A lot of top hip hop producers use loop and sample packs these days lol

    Dnb is basically a very very complex production style that involves many rapid transitions and automations that hip hop simply doesn’t need. Hip hop has grooves and hooks that’s about it

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @mschenkel.it said:
    About hip/hop music compared to neuro dnb(being one of those unsuccessful guys who tried to make neuro with no success at all)@dendy:
    Neuro has tons of sound design but HH has a lot of musicality/musical ear/inspiration-from-known material involved.

    Can you provide a link to the unsuccessful neuro track? I’d like to check it out

    I’m interested in dnb made on iOS

    Thanks @mschenkel.it

  • DCJDCJ

    Elvis shakes his hips on TV

    “What the hell is that? Turn it off, that’s inappropriate.”

    the Ramone’s play their guitars

    “What the hell is that? Turn it off, that’s not music.”

    Grand Wizard Theodore scratches a record

    “What the hell is that? Turn it off, you’re ruining the song.”

    ... and they say age grants us wisdom, but we really seem to remember nothing.

  • kobamotokobamoto

    @Love3quency said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Love3quency said:
    Thus hip hop culture further confuses and degrades the English language lol

    What do we call a “truck” in England? A “lorry”. What do we call a cigarette in England? A “f-g”. What do we call an “apartment”? A “flat”. “Going on vacation” is “going on hols”. Even small phrases like “should we go now” are said as “shall we go now” in England.

    The point is, English as many dialects.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dialects_of_the_English_language

    If you’ll look under the United States, you’ll see that “African American English” is officially recognised as a valid dialect. There is no degradation nor confusion of the English language here, only the evolution of a vernacular.

    And that’s only in regards to language. That doesn’t even take into account as to the history of hiphop nor the reasons why it formed in the first place. You’d do well to do your research.

    Assumptions again!!!

    I know full well how hip hop was created

    Kool dj herc
    Fab five Freddy
    Bambatta
    Cold crush brothers

    Evolvers like mantronix

    Mcs like ultramagnetic

    The bridge wars between Shan and boogie down productions

    I hardly call addressing women as bitches and hoes as evolution of language

    I live in the uk, what you guys do there is up to you, but I know for sure that the reason why the “F” word is so commonly used by under tens these days is because of gangsta rap

    Basically I quit hip hop after NWA pretty much messed it up, even though the original gangsta was ice t

    So, please don’t make assumptions about what I do or don’t know

    I’ve been into all kinds of electronic music for years and know a lot of people involved.

    This is a forum, likely none of us know each other in real life so... it’s dangerous to assume and speculate

    Now chill out homie, go back to your crib and put ya boom box on lol

    _ok... first of all bitches and hoes was not invented by African americans, neither was the F. word.
    btw ice-t was not the original gangsta, it was schoolly D. Ice t was a bboy.

    what's the matter, it sounds like you've got something against a little sex, drugs, and rock&roll_

  • kobamotokobamoto

    @Love3quency said:

    Dnb is basically a very very complex production style that involves many rapid transitions and automations that hip hop simply doesn’t need. Hip hop has grooves and hooks that’s about it

    lol.... 'Amen' to that.

  • gusgranitegusgranite

    I feel sorry for the OP. This thread is wack.

    Didn't we just get the 'classical music is a higher form of musicianship' daftness in another thread? Now trance and neuro...

    Good grief. How about we have a pop at abstract art next? It's just monkey smudges innit!

  • DCJDCJ

    @kobamoto said:

    @Love3quency said:

    Dnb is basically a very very complex production style that involves many rapid transitions and automations that hip hop simply doesn’t need. Hip hop has grooves and hooks that’s about it

    lol.... 'Amen' to that.

    This is the best burn ever.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @kobamoto said:

    @Love3quency said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Love3quency said:
    Thus hip hop culture further confuses and degrades the English language lol

    What do we call a “truck” in England? A “lorry”. What do we call a cigarette in England? A “f-g”. What do we call an “apartment”? A “flat”. “Going on vacation” is “going on hols”. Even small phrases like “should we go now” are said as “shall we go now” in England.

    The point is, English as many dialects.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dialects_of_the_English_language

    If you’ll look under the United States, you’ll see that “African American English” is officially recognised as a valid dialect. There is no degradation nor confusion of the English language here, only the evolution of a vernacular.

    And that’s only in regards to language. That doesn’t even take into account as to the history of hiphop nor the reasons why it formed in the first place. You’d do well to do your research.

    Assumptions again!!!

    I know full well how hip hop was created

    Kool dj herc
    Fab five Freddy
    Bambatta
    Cold crush brothers

    Evolvers like mantronix

    Mcs like ultramagnetic

    The bridge wars between Shan and boogie down productions

    I hardly call addressing women as bitches and hoes as evolution of language

    I live in the uk, what you guys do there is up to you, but I know for sure that the reason why the “F” word is so commonly used by under tens these days is because of gangsta rap

    Basically I quit hip hop after NWA pretty much messed it up, even though the original gangsta was ice t

    So, please don’t make assumptions about what I do or don’t know

    I’ve been into all kinds of electronic music for years and know a lot of people involved.

    This is a forum, likely none of us know each other in real life so... it’s dangerous to assume and speculate

    Now chill out homie, go back to your crib and put ya boom box on lol

    _ok... first of all bitches and hoes was not invented by African americans, neither was the F. word.
    btw ice-t was not the original gangsta, it was schoolly D. Ice t was a bboy.

    what's the matter, it sounds like you've got something against a little sex, drugs, and rock&roll_

    Your right.. but those words are used in a lot of hip hop records that get heard by youngsters who end up using those same words to try and be cool

    Ice T was not a b boy lol, just cause he was in that breakdance movie... he was actually a gangster

    Ahhh, schooly d! Not sure he predates ice t tho

    I used to live the life you described but I grew up and got married, kids etc you know?

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @DCJ said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @Love3quency said:

    Dnb is basically a very very complex production style that involves many rapid transitions and automations that hip hop simply doesn’t need. Hip hop has grooves and hooks that’s about it

    lol.... 'Amen' to that.

    This is the best burn ever.

    How is that a burn?

    A lot of dnb uses the amen break but rarely straight as is... it’s usually chopped right up

    Besides, a lot of dnb nowadays uses drum, snare and hi hats

    You should research drum funk programming, it’s a very complex procedure that requires a lot of skill...

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @DCJ said:

    @dendy said:
    To be honest, i appreciate lot more musicallity of those original jazz or soul songs which fragments are then sampled for producing "beats" :-)

    Before I derail the thread further by getting into a detailed breakdown, do you still stand by your original statement that Trance is a more complex music than Hip Hop? And are you inferring that one genre is superior to the other? Don’t want to read too much into your comments so it helps me to ask questions first.

    Not sure trance is more complex but it had more elements and layers than hip hop

  • kobamotokobamoto

    @Love3quency said:

    @kobamoto said:

    @Love3quency said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @Love3quency said:
    Thus hip hop culture further confuses and degrades the English language lol

    What do we call a “truck” in England? A “lorry”. What do we call a cigarette in England? A “f-g”. What do we call an “apartment”? A “flat”. “Going on vacation” is “going on hols”. Even small phrases like “should we go now” are said as “shall we go now” in England.

    The point is, English as many dialects.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dialects_of_the_English_language

    If you’ll look under the United States, you’ll see that “African American English” is officially recognised as a valid dialect. There is no degradation nor confusion of the English language here, only the evolution of a vernacular.

    And that’s only in regards to language. That doesn’t even take into account as to the history of hiphop nor the reasons why it formed in the first place. You’d do well to do your research.

    Assumptions again!!!

    I know full well how hip hop was created

    Kool dj herc
    Fab five Freddy
    Bambatta
    Cold crush brothers

    Evolvers like mantronix

    Mcs like ultramagnetic

    The bridge wars between Shan and boogie down productions

    I hardly call addressing women as bitches and hoes as evolution of language

    I live in the uk, what you guys do there is up to you, but I know for sure that the reason why the “F” word is so commonly used by under tens these days is because of gangsta rap

    Basically I quit hip hop after NWA pretty much messed it up, even though the original gangsta was ice t

    So, please don’t make assumptions about what I do or don’t know

    I’ve been into all kinds of electronic music for years and know a lot of people involved.

    This is a forum, likely none of us know each other in real life so... it’s dangerous to assume and speculate

    Now chill out homie, go back to your crib and put ya boom box on lol

    _ok... first of all bitches and hoes was not invented by African americans, neither was the F. word.
    btw ice-t was not the original gangsta, it was schoolly D. Ice t was a bboy.

    what's the matter, it sounds like you've got something against a little sex, drugs, and rock&roll_

    Your right.. but those words are used in a lot of hip hop records that get heard by youngsters who end up using those same words to try and be cool

    Ice T was not a b boy lol, just cause he was in that breakdance movie... he was actually a gangster

    Ahhh, schooly d! Not sure he predates ice t tho

    I used to live the life you described but I grew up and got married, kids etc you know?

    Ice to was not a gangsta, he was a hustler... in california gang culture a gangster and a hustler are two entirely different things, and yes he was a bboy, that's how he got in the movie, he was a bboy before the movie.

  • kobamotokobamoto
    edited January 2018

    C'mon man.... that's not just acting.

  • kobamotokobamoto

    oh yeah and schoolly D came out 1985, ice t's 6 in the morning was 1987.

  • kobamotokobamoto

    @Love3quency said:

    @>; Your right.. but those words are used in a lot of hip hop records that get heard by youngsters who end up using those same words to try and be cool

    I agree of course those words are in allot of rap records why not... they are a part of the English lexicon, because those words are in all kinds of records, even country records, and movies long before any rapper put them down on wax, but giving rappers credit for those words is like giving Christopher Columbus credit for discovering America... it just ain't so bruh...

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