Best for making beats? And another question

kobamoto

I still think too many people overlook Elastic drums sampling feature.... ED makes great beats

JohnnyGoodyear

@AudioGus said:
Heh, yah a while ago (before I grudgingly adopted the new hip english) I was on a train with my Circuit and a lawyery looking woman asked me if I was ‘making beats’ to which I replied that I have a melody going too. She just looked at me like I was the idiot.

Yes, my wife mentioned you'd met.

MrSmileZ

What about iSpark? I tend to love this drum machine for straight forward stuff
if you are just drum machining

ToMess

@dendy said:
@DCJ

@dendy I’m not sure if your claim that hip hop is simple music is serious, but I hope you re-evaluate this as well.

I'm not saying hiphop is bad music ! I generally don't say about any music that it is better or worst than other - i think this would be arrogant.. It is all art which speaks to you or not...

BUT ! From pure technical point of view, fproduction difficultity, simply all styles are NOT equal.. that is pure fact .. some needs more knowledge, other less, somehere is sound design more complicated, somewhere less..

From this point of view, hiphop is not so complicated, hiphop beats do not need advanced sound design like fir example harder drum&bass genres (those various neuro basses, screetches)... Drums are quite basic, there are not used any advanced layering techniques (or they are used just rately) like in drum&bads, also melodic part is very often based just on cutting and rearranging sampled loops and there aren't much used advanced synth sound dedign techniques..

Again - this doesn't mean it is wrong music ! Point of HH is somewhere else than advanced sound design. But from the pure producent's point of view, it is simpler than some other styles.

I agree that hip hop is quite simple in general compared to a lot of different music. However it seems that you think its more simple than it actually is. The thing is that you can make a beat sampling one vinyl, or you can do complex sound design and stuff like drum layering, which is often used in hip hop. Its just that the layers are often blended together more than in a lot of electronic music. Especially some modern subgenres of hip hop focus more on sound design and use of complex synth sounds. However the fact remains that too complex melodies or too much going in the beat doesent fit for rapping over.

Hip hop is rhythm driven music, thats why hip hop beats are referred often as beats. The whole concept is to rap on the beat.

Imo the sound design on this sounds really good

[Deleted User]

@kobamoto said:
oh yeah and schoolly D came out 1985, ice t's 6 in the morning was 1987.

The original movie “breaking” that ice t was in was released in 84....

kobamoto

@Love3quency said:

@kobamoto said:
oh yeah and schoolly D came out 1985, ice t's 6 in the morning was 1987.

The original movie “breaking” that ice t was in was released in 84....

what's breaking got to do with original gangsta though? Schoolly D put out the first gangster rap album, not ice-t

[Deleted User]

@kobamoto said:

@Love3quency said:

@kobamoto said:
oh yeah and schoolly D came out 1985, ice t's 6 in the morning was 1987.

The original movie “breaking” that ice t was in was released in 84....

what's breaking got to do with original gangsta though? Schoolly D put out the first gangster rap album, not ice-t

I’m not talking about records, ice t was somewhat active as an mc before schooly d it seems

Anyway it don’t matter

ExAsperis99

@Love3quency said:

@kobamoto said:

@Love3quency said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@Love3quency said:
Thus hip hop culture further confuses and degrades the English language lol

What do we call a “truck” in England? A “lorry”. What do we call a cigarette in England? A “f-g”. What do we call an “apartment”? A “flat”. “Going on vacation” is “going on hols”. Even small phrases like “should we go now” are said as “shall we go now” in England.

The point is, English as many dialects.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dialects_of_the_English_language

If you’ll look under the United States, you’ll see that “African American English” is officially recognised as a valid dialect. There is no degradation nor confusion of the English language here, only the evolution of a vernacular.

And that’s only in regards to language. That doesn’t even take into account as to the history of hiphop nor the reasons why it formed in the first place. You’d do well to do your research.

Assumptions again!!!

I know full well how hip hop was created

Kool dj herc
Fab five Freddy
Bambatta
Cold crush brothers

Evolvers like mantronix

Mcs like ultramagnetic

The bridge wars between Shan and boogie down productions

I hardly call addressing women as bitches and hoes as evolution of language

I live in the uk, what you guys do there is up to you, but I know for sure that the reason why the “F” word is so commonly used by under tens these days is because of gangsta rap

Basically I quit hip hop after NWA pretty much messed it up, even though the original gangsta was ice t

So, please don’t make assumptions about what I do or don’t know

I’ve been into all kinds of electronic music for years and know a lot of people involved.

This is a forum, likely none of us know each other in real life so... it’s dangerous to assume and speculate

Now chill out homie, go back to your crib and put ya boom box on lol

_ok... first of all bitches and hoes was not invented by African americans, neither was the F. word.
btw ice-t was not the original gangsta, it was schoolly D. Ice t was a bboy.

what's the matter, it sounds like you've got something against a little sex, drugs, and rock&roll_

Your right.. but those words are used in a lot of hip hop records that get heard by youngsters who end up using those same words to try and be cool

Ice T was not a b boy lol, just cause he was in that breakdance movie... he was actually a gangster

Ahhh, schooly d! Not sure he predates ice t tho

I used to live the life you described but I grew up and got married, kids etc you know?

You really

@brambos said:

@Love3quency said:
Does more than ruismaker and is sharper, oh and free

@Michael I'm getting very tired of this guy's personal vendetta against me, and his incessant, thinly veiled sniping at me. Please deal with this troll.

Agreed.

supadom

@dendy said:

@Love3quency said:

He mentioned “beats” not tracks

oh yes.. i also hate when people calling music "beats", it sounds sooo stupid .. hence i put that meme above )) but he mentioned full tracks based on context ..

but ok .. i agree. to call music "beats" is crap ..

maybe that name is ok for very simple music like hiphop (from where this comes), where track is almost only about beat, but not in more complex music (like trance for example) )))

I wonder what would a veteran classical composer make of your ‘trance being complex’ statement.

Just the fact that generally trance doesn’t vary in tempo makes it lacking in that dimension.

JeffChasteen

@kobamoto said:

@Love3quency said:

@kobamoto said:
oh yeah and schoolly D came out 1985, ice t's 6 in the morning was 1987.

The original movie “breaking” that ice t was in was released in 84....

what's breaking got to do with original gangsta though? Schoolly D put out the first gangster rap album, not ice-t

Absolutely. Schoolly D for the win.

Ribbon

I like SECTOR, iMaschine and Vatanator a lot for producing beats (in which right now I mean rhythm sections). Recently I've started using Poly as well. It's a different approach to rhythm but an interesting one.
If we mean beats as in the hip-hop definition of it, with a little imagination any sound-producing app can be used for it. It's still a broad genre and a little experimentation is always good.

[Deleted User]

@ExAsperis99 said:

@Love3quency said:

@kobamoto said:

@Love3quency said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@Love3quency said:
Thus hip hop culture further confuses and degrades the English language lol

What do we call a “truck” in England? A “lorry”. What do we call a cigarette in England? A “f-g”. What do we call an “apartment”? A “flat”. “Going on vacation” is “going on hols”. Even small phrases like “should we go now” are said as “shall we go now” in England.

The point is, English as many dialects.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dialects_of_the_English_language

If you’ll look under the United States, you’ll see that “African American English” is officially recognised as a valid dialect. There is no degradation nor confusion of the English language here, only the evolution of a vernacular.

And that’s only in regards to language. That doesn’t even take into account as to the history of hiphop nor the reasons why it formed in the first place. You’d do well to do your research.

Assumptions again!!!

I know full well how hip hop was created

Kool dj herc
Fab five Freddy
Bambatta
Cold crush brothers

Evolvers like mantronix

Mcs like ultramagnetic

The bridge wars between Shan and boogie down productions

I hardly call addressing women as bitches and hoes as evolution of language

I live in the uk, what you guys do there is up to you, but I know for sure that the reason why the “F” word is so commonly used by under tens these days is because of gangsta rap

Basically I quit hip hop after NWA pretty much messed it up, even though the original gangsta was ice t

So, please don’t make assumptions about what I do or don’t know

I’ve been into all kinds of electronic music for years and know a lot of people involved.

This is a forum, likely none of us know each other in real life so... it’s dangerous to assume and speculate

Now chill out homie, go back to your crib and put ya boom box on lol

_ok... first of all bitches and hoes was not invented by African americans, neither was the F. word.
btw ice-t was not the original gangsta, it was schoolly D. Ice t was a bboy.

what's the matter, it sounds like you've got something against a little sex, drugs, and rock&roll_

Your right.. but those words are used in a lot of hip hop records that get heard by youngsters who end up using those same words to try and be cool

Ice T was not a b boy lol, just cause he was in that breakdance movie... he was actually a gangster

Ahhh, schooly d! Not sure he predates ice t tho

I used to live the life you described but I grew up and got married, kids etc you know?

You really

@brambos said:

@Love3quency said:
Does more than ruismaker and is sharper, oh and free

@Michael I'm getting very tired of this guy's personal vendetta against me, and his incessant, thinly veiled sniping at me. Please deal with this troll.

Agreed.

The “issue” has been “resolved” FYI

kobamoto

so we were not talking about what we were talking about... ok we won't talk about it..... chuckles

anyway going backwards and moving on at the same time, the whole original premise is suspect. if you just have to compare one genre of music to another then why wouldn't you compare hiphop with a limited compositional make up to trance or whatever with the same level of limited compositional make up (which would still be suspect imho). Unless you're predisposed to being fundamentally against a level playing field, I mean If we are going to indulge in this completely meaningless, full throttle bout of corniness, the least we could do to feign integrity is be consistent with the use of our rear end orifice extrapolatory mechanism technology, in other words don't compare Mozart to a pop tart, compare a pop tart to another pop tart and compare a Mozart to another Mozart.