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Are Korg apps eating your money?
I kinda wish they’d decide between charging a premium for the base app or steep IAPs, not both.
You too Moog.
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What money?
Haha. I have to convince myself every other week not to get Gadget.. 35 gadgets? Ouch
Not any more as I’ve deleted Gadget hurrah - wish I’d bought more Alien Sex Fiend albums instead lol
Korg jumped the IOS train very early with iElectribe and iMS20.
They built convincing solutions that gained the platform some serious reputation.
Now that it turned out into success, why shouldn't they make revenues ?
There’s several Korg apps that I have not got, but I feel that I get good value from what I do have, so I am happy with my balanced approach.
Totally get that and if Gadget was the only music ecosystem on iOS I wouldn’t hesitate to pay what they’re asking.. with all the other options tho I don’t see myself pulling the trigger.
You have more self control than me, my OCD would find it difficult to ignore the “incomplete” bells ringing in my head.
I am hoping to eventually have all the Korg stuff, Gadgets as well as the stand alone synths. They are relatively expensive for iOS, but totally worth it in reality since they are all great sounding and highly reliable. Plus Korg, as a company, is one of the better ones of that caliber, at least to me.
Do you know if the Nintendo Switch version of Gadget is the complete bundle, or is it entirely different?
That’s the worst part. I would use Gadget, get frustrated with the amount of space it ate up, delete it, then reinstall at the next update, get the new gadgets, and repeat the process.
It actually wouldn’t be an issue if I could use it without installing the Module gadgets, but they’re IN THE LIST and I hate scrolling through incomplete lists. If they split IAPs and external activations into a separate menu I’d be all clear, but they want you to see what you’re missing. And if you’ve bought it but don’t have space, well, get used to looking at an incomplete list.
It’s the worst. I consider it user-hostile but I don’t think many agree with me.
It only comes with 16 gadgets, not sure which ones. iOS Gadget has about 25 gadgets available including IAPs, plus the stand alone synth gadgets on top of that.
1980
Got to the store to buy the record to sample
Bring record home play it on record player
book studio time, hardware too expensive to own in 1980
Drive to the studio to record 50-100 dollars an hour....sample, chop and record demo song
Drive home listen to beat/song write vocals
Drive back to the Studio to record vocals and final mix song
Drive to another studio to master song
Copyright song......
create hand drawn artwork for vinyl cover of song
Mail the master mix tape to the pressing plant to get press vinyl copies of song
Wait two-three weeks to receive vinyl copies of song
Mail copies to record companies A&R, local DJ and promoters
Wait and pray to get record deal
Pray to get radio play
Pray to get to perform your song
Pray to make money from song
2018
IPAD+GADGET+AUDIOBUS+ AURIA PRO+APOGEE ONE+
IPAD. iTunes for song to sample, record ,mix, master song, create artwork, create video, upload video, get people to watch, listen, right from the comfort of the couch.
To make a long story short.......JUST BUY IT!
If they split IAPs and external activations into a separate menu I’d be all clear, but they want you to see what you’re missing. And if you’ve bought it but don’t have space, well, get used to looking at an incomplete list.
I totally agree. I hate that. Why make me scroll through a bunch of stuff that I don't have to find the ones I do have? iSymphonic, I'm looking at you. Even my evil cable tv provider doesn't do that.
At least when using iSymphonic as an AU you don’t have to see what you’re missing.
yes - JUST DO IT
but don't forget in the 80s you were one in a thousand, today you're one in a million
Man, you had it good! I had trouble just getting those idiots to show up to band practice consistently, so you could guess how far into that process I ever got.
I used to go mad and buy every Korg app/IAP as they came out. Been much more restrained over the last year though. I’m cured, but still pickled.
@oldschoolwillie : LOLOLOL
Korg Monopoly Hardware Synth = $2184 USD from eBay (including shipping)
Korg Gadget, all its IAPs, all Gadget-compatible synths with every IAP in them purchased, and tax = $540 USD give or take at full price. Wait for a sale (especially a 33% off sale) and get it for $360 give or take instead. That’s what I paid accumulatively. That’s cheaper than a studio setup from the 1990s, and you can take it with you everywhere you go.
I know we’re spoiled for choice with comparatively cheap music making tools on iOS. First world problems right. I just find the price discrepancy a little strange when comparing Korg apps to almost every other music app (and non-music app) on iOS.
I think @oldschoolwillie illustrated the situation pretty well.
Every now and then you have to stop, take a look around and don’t take things for granted. I feel like we’re at the vanguard of a music producing revolution. I only wish more “heavyweight” companies like Korg and Moog were investing the same amount of time and effort into iOS. But, before that can realistically happen, hardware quality needs to improve and software prices need to rise. We are just at the beginning here. Welcome to the revolution. Woooooooooooo!
I purchased Gadget because everything I seen and read. I must admit it has been by far the biggest waste of money for me. I find it clunky and stale sounding and not a good work flow for me. I am glad to say that it is the only KORG app I have purchased and is enough to keep me from purchasing any more.
In my case, as an iPhone-only user, options are more limited. I love Gadget, an have most everything.
I have every Korg IOS app except IDS-10, IKaossilator and the Gorilaz Edition of IElectribe, and all but the last 4 Gadgets they put out. I stopped buying Gadgets because I really do have enough Korg stuff, and their stuff is great, but I just find myself using it less and less as we get more audio unit synths and apps. If their stand alone apps ever adopt auv3 support they'd get a lot of use from me again, especially Odyssei, IMonopoly ,IWavestation and Module.
Adding filter, flanger and delay tends to make stale sounds sparkle.
When I first bought Gadget we had 1 IFX and no audio. They gave us 5 IFX, 2 audio Gadgets and another drum machine for free. They also have us a few hundred extra free presets. They also gave us AudioShare support and a licence for Live Lite.
The app is faster and more stable than it used to be (and I don't experience any battery drain anymore, since I took to shutting my iPad off rather than leaving it on when it's idle.)
Gadget is also almost fully midi mappable and Bluetooth midi compatable.
Anyway what I consider to be a waste of money is apps that degrade or don't improve over time.
To answer the OPs question though, not fast enough
@LucidMusicInc
Indeed the last thing I would call Gadget is “stale sounding”. It’s all in the producer, not the tools. There’s another trick besides delay-based effects and filters. Okay, repeat after me ladies, non-binaries, and gents... ”LAYERING!!!” What is layering? Why it’s the ability to layer sounds to BUILD something. Unlike an app like Beathawk where solid layering is already done for ya in a single patch, you can take each sound in Gadget and do some very advanced shit!!! Some ideas...
-Sub bass, low bass, and mid bass. Maybe the sub bass has a different rhythmic pattern than the other two and is a simple boring off-beat eighth note. Maybe the mid bass has a delay on it with the colour turned up to take out the low end of the delays.
-Montpelier, Wolfsburg, and Lisbon. Lisbon has the trance gate on and is swimming in that Apollo reverb. Montpelier is SHARP, some delays, and veeeeery subtle reverb. Wolfburg has the mids scooped out, also swimming in reverb, but has a phaser slapped on for good measure. Combine this shit to make a trance pad.
-Take a fake-sounding iM1 string patch and double it with KaPRO Strings. Want it to sound more fake? Make iM1 the dominant layer. More realistic? Make KaPRO the dominant layer.
-Even layering your drums! Let the kick have the full attack while you soften the attack of the clap, hats, cymbals, snares, toms, whatever!
And lets not forget the pattern-based automation! Okay, so I admit I hate having to draw it in, so there’s my one of two Gadget gripes (the other being the lack of ability to rename tracks). However, a small price to pay for having the knobs return to their default position in the next pattern without having to actually draw in where it should go.
Major time saver, and did I mention it can give a repeating melody in a dance music track some variety in timbre by automating the layers differently each time?! Right, there you go then.
Right, so the only IAP in Gadget I’d avoid is DeeMax. That is about the shittiest maximizer you can find in the appstore, and you’re far better off running Gadget into AUM via IAA and slapping Maxima on the end instead.
(You can also record your live mixing too! Ride those faders into the sunset folks!)
I have managed to not buy the Module pianos and IAPs. Quite proud of that..
Yep automation is smooth like butter and you can do a lot of experimentation with a single gadget just variating some parameters.
Deemax... in some scenarios the built in limiter is better. For gritty genres like hip hop and techno Deemax is more appropriate.
Deemax and Kamata are both meh for the asking price, as are the preset IAPs in apps like Odessey and Monopoly.
I do a lot of tinkering with Kamata but in many ways I prefer Kingston. Same with how I prefer M1 over Wavestation. A lot of duplication from these guys.
I'm a bit ticked that the price of the Wurly Module IAP is the same as Scarbee even though Scarbee is far superior. I don't want to have both but at the same time I do. I haven't had the justification to get the Dreamy Synths either with the overwhelming amount of sounds I've already got.
I spend an inordinate amount of time with Vancouver nowadays. I like Gadgets sequencer over any other DAW and therefore am setting myself up on a Quixotic task of sampling my favourite sounds out of my other synths into Gadget and getting really lost in the process.
The major irony is I'm still writing tracks using just Marseille and London
Gadget = first app.
Good stuff guys. I enjoy reading your takes on Gadget and all the possibities it holds.