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New MOOG app - Minimoog Model D!

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  • @Cib said:
    The overdrive/feedback especially with high resonance is a bit tame (but expected) but it‘s a wonderful bass machine for sure.
    The filter has not that much power in the low end as some other emulations. Not sure which is closer to the original.
    Again....5 dollar is great.
    Not sure if i would pay 20-30 plus another 15 for the presets which i can‘t demo and not sure if they are that different from the similar named Model 15 packs.
    I mean i like Moog but they don‘t even do the most impressive emulations of their own software these days (even in hardware).

    Real moog filter reduces bass the low end of the filter to get rid of that horrible low sounds that you get from sweeping high reso filter to low end. Frst i though that its a bad thing, but after few mins of having a moog i realized it makes the filter much more playable.

  • Don't know, but I admit, I snagged just now cause I'd hate to see it for 14.95 in a few days. The IAP's are mostly 1.99, not sure if sale price or not.

    I think it sounds great, and am glad I went for it. Good purchase.

    @kobamoto said:
    anyone know when the sale will end, and if the iaps are also on sale?

  • Another plus is MPE compatibility. geoshred plays it nicely for those missing the animoog style keys. Doing a little vid

  • One improvement vs Imini: this one responds to sustain pedal!

  • edited March 2018

    I’m happy with my purchase. It sounds great, looks classy, is universal. I have no problem with th GUI or the preset system. I also find it quite usable even on iPhone SE. Best used with a Midi controller, of course. And it uses a lot of processing power. But if that’s what it takes to get that rich and fat Moog sound it’s probably better that they didn’t make any compromises just for getting the cpu down. I do hope they’ll find a way to optimize it somewhat, though, because it’s really very hungry...

  • edited March 2018

    @ToMess said:

    @Cib said:
    The overdrive/feedback especially with high resonance is a bit tame (but expected) but it‘s a wonderful bass machine for sure.
    The filter has not that much power in the low end as some other emulations. Not sure which is closer to the original.
    Again....5 dollar is great.
    Not sure if i would pay 20-30 plus another 15 for the presets which i can‘t demo and not sure if they are that different from the similar named Model 15 packs.
    I mean i like Moog but they don‘t even do the most impressive emulations of their own software these days (even in hardware).

    Real moog filter reduces bass the low end of the filter to get rid of that horrible low sounds that you get from sweeping high reso filter to low end. Frst i though that its a bad thing, but after few mins of having a moog i realized it makes the filter much more playable.

    I know and the Pro One does that even more.
    But you can get some really snarly bass with high saturation and high resonance you can‘t do this way.
    It‘s also great for kicks and drums with good low end.
    But the Minimoog is better than the Model 15 here.
    While they both have a ladder filter they are different.
    My favorite are state variable filter.

  • @Munibeast said:
    I’m happy with my purchase. It sounds great, looks classy, is universal. I have no problem with th GUI or the preset system. I also find it quite usable even on iPhone SE. Best used with a Midi controller, of course. And it uses a lot of processing power. But if that’s what it takes to get that rich and fat Moog sound it’s probably better that they didn’t make any compromises just for getting the cpu down. I do hope they’ll find a way to optimize it somewhat, though, because it’s really very hungry...

    I concur 100%! I don’t have an SE but happy to have this on iPhone hooked up to MIDI controller.

  • edited March 2018

    66.67% of a Memorymoog Plus for $5. Flipping amazing.

    And the intro sale makes it 0.03% the cost of the hardware on the bay. :) https://www.ebay.com/i/311932671558

  • Ha. Or 0.014285714% the price of this one with the Linntronics upgrade and a custom case. He says he'll refund your trip to Maui if you want to pick it up though, so there's that.

  • @Cib said:
    This thing sucked 30% battery in about 10 minutes and a new record for warming up my phone.

    That's my only hesitation with this one. Battery life is pants, and my Air 2 heats up like a volcano since the iOS 11 update. Sounds amazing, price is great - but can I actually use it without burning out my iPad?

  • how are you guys listening to these iaps before you buy them?

  • Has anyone managed to find a way to import presets?

    I saved a couple of patches I made to the Files app, but whenever I try and re-import them into Model D the app freezes.

  • @Tarekith said:
    This is only the second time I've ever asked for a refund on the app store. Sounds amazing, but I only really need it on my iPhone and it's just too damn hard to use. A lot nicer on the iPad Pro 10.5, but I haven't been using that for making music lately. I'll definitely pick it up again if they make the display zoomable ala Model 15.

    What do you use for music making these days Tarekith? You were my original inspiration for the Electribe; thanks a million for that as it got me into pad based music making... it’s been a lot of MPC style experimentation since then. Using the GR-16 now which I love, and lots of other iOS

  • I'd guess Live.

  • Some help guys. Do I need this? I’m a preset player and already have Animoog for iPad, Model15, Gadget and the full Syntronik among others.
    Is there sounds that are unique to this synth? (Sorry, not much knowledge on the hardware ‘D’)
    I do love monophonic sounds, soft basses and leads and what I get from the other Moog iOS synths is pure marvel; however appholism is real and trying to scale down

  • edited March 2018

    @rthr said:
    I'd guess Live.

    Me thinks you’re right, or it could be some of the electron boxes in his images. Too dear for me right now, but if the electribe experience is any guidance I should save my pennies

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @Cib said:
    This thing sucked 30% battery in about 10 minutes and a new record for warming up my phone.

    That's my only hesitation with this one. Battery life is pants, and my Air 2 heats up like a volcano since the iOS 11 update. Sounds amazing, price is great - but can I actually use it without burning out my iPad?

    It will just shut down itself when it already throttle but it still can‘t cool down. I tried that already in summer.
    I wonder when apps can use multi-core like plug-ins.
    In theory the latest iPads and iPhones are powerful but my old notebook still handles at least 20 times more. The whole iOS is not made for these apps yet.
    I‘ve yet to try the AUv3 which might be better.
    Again i miss an option to turn of oversampling which can make a huge difference but is not always needed and just eats cpu.
    Again such an app feels sometimes wasted for me on these devices. The real fun begins with several instances and automations in a DAW.
    Yes, yes....it‘s again just 5 dollars but it all feels like „making a few bucks“ here from a famous brand.
    However, it‘s my third favorite Minimoog emulation so far :#
    I never found the Minimoog really interesting so i might just get bored.
    What stands out in this app is the bender which can create these growly drones with high feedback and short times. Especially if you combine it with the delay which almost reacts like a spring reverb (like someone in another forum said and i agree).
    Of course i miss again something i miss in most iOS synths. FX modulation. Here i think Thor is the king (but Alchemy is even better with the morph pads).
    I love the delay in Model 15 for this reason!!!
    I miss a single FX on/off button in Model D.
    Turn off the FX and most presets are not so impressive. But still the tone is very nice and beefy.
    I do wish they had added a great reverb like TF8. But that would have kill the CPU for sure.

  • @Cib said:

    Again such an app feels sometimes wasted for me on these devices. The real fun begins with several instances and automations in a DAW.

    That's the thing. Model 15 sounds stunning when you run a few instances as AU, but my Air 2 just can't cope with it, so it's one or two at most. As I'm an AUM multi-app jammer, Model 15 just isn't getting any use - same with Zeeon, Layr, Synthscaper and the other CPU beasts. Gadget kills my battery and heats up like a bugger, so that's off the cards too.

    I'll most likely buy the new Moog at the intro price, but shove it in a folder until I can afford a new iPad.

    Not complaining, just jealous.

  • Plenty of great music has been made with artists running just one monophonic hardware Minimoog. So the fact that an Air 2 can't run five instances in AUv3 isn't really the end of the world. You can always layer by recording.

    The sound from this thing is spectacular IMO. Up there with Model 15 and Zeeon.

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @Cib said:

    Again such an app feels sometimes wasted for me on these devices. The real fun begins with several instances and automations in a DAW.

    That's the thing. Model 15 sounds stunning when you run a few instances as AU, but my Air 2 just can't cope with it, so it's one or two at most. As I'm an AUM multi-app jammer, Model 15 just isn't getting any use - same with Zeeon, Layr, Synthscaper and the other CPU beasts. Gadget kills my battery and heats up like a bugger, so that's off the cards too.

    I'll most likely buy the new Moog at the intro price, but shove it in a folder until I can afford a new iPad.

    Not complaining, just jealous.

    We just need more options here. Like i said. Oversampling f.e. which i like and all these apps use can be a killer and is only needed for certain things. My favorite synth can kill my cpu easy with 8x oversampling but often it sounds as good with 4X, 2X or even off and it uses a fraction of the cpu. It even can sound interesting to get extra noise via some aliasing.
    Model D might work similar to Repro which always calculate the „circuits“, even when you turn FX off and do nothing. I just need to start it and even at 2048 sample buffer (which is unusable, even for pads) it gets hot. Once the cpu heats up it will throttle and then it will go mad within a session.
    Then if you are already under 50% battery you are doomed. So the mobile thing is here playing around for at best 30-60 minutes until you need to plug it in somewhere. If you now want to use bluetooth midi and/or power a controller via usb you are doomed again.

  • @bato said:

    @Tarekith said:
    This is only the second time I've ever asked for a refund on the app store. Sounds amazing, but I only really need it on my iPhone and it's just too damn hard to use. A lot nicer on the iPad Pro 10.5, but I haven't been using that for making music lately. I'll definitely pick it up again if they make the display zoomable ala Model 15.

    What do you use for music making these days Tarekith? You were my original inspiration for the Electribe; thanks a million for that as it got me into pad based music making... it’s been a lot of MPC style experimentation since then. Using the GR-16 now which I love, and lots of other iOS

    OB-6, Octatrack, Circuit, Ableton Live, Push 2, Taylor Acoustic mostly. A lot of my track ideas start in Groovebox these days too, or Auxy before they went subscription.

  • edited March 2018

    @richardyot said:
    Plenty of great music has been made with artists running just one monophonic hardware Minimoog. So the fact that an Air 2 can't run five instances in AUv3 isn't really the end of the world. You can always layer by recording.

    It's not the end of the World, no. But as I said in my post, that's not how I work. I make music by jamming live with a bunch of synths all at once. Recording synths and instruments one at a time, track by track doesn't inspire me to create fresh sounding music. I'm happy to overdub once the initial jam has been recorded, but to capture any spontaneity I need that live element to begin with.

    The beauty of the new Moog is the bass sounds. That, coupled with a couple of Model 15's playing arp's, Layr or Synthscaper for pads, a couple of Ruismaker's, a bunch of FX all running through AUM would be perfect for me. If I tried it though I'd end up ten minutes later with molten aluminium on my lap.

    The temptation is to buy it and wait until I can buy an iPad fast enough to run it as I want to. The reality is probably by then iOS13 will have crippled devices with animated moji overload and pop-ups, and it'll be languishing in a folder called 'one day'.

  • @bato said:
    Some help guys. Do I need this? I’m a preset player and already have Animoog for iPad, Model15, Gadget and the full Syntronik among others.
    Is there sounds that are unique to this synth? (Sorry, not much knowledge on the hardware ‘D’)
    I do love monophonic sounds, soft basses and leads and what I get from the other Moog iOS synths is pure marvel; however appholism is real and trying to scale down

    I already have what you have mentioned here and I'm very happy with Model D. Sounds very good and it's cheap. Buy it

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @richardyot said:
    Plenty of great music has been made with artists running just one monophonic hardware Minimoog. So the fact that an Air 2 can't run five instances in AUv3 isn't really the end of the world. You can always layer by recording.

    It's not the end of the World, no. But as I said in my post, that's not how I work. I make music by jamming live with a bunch of synths all at once. Recording synths and instruments one at a time, track by track doesn't inspire me to create fresh sounding music. I'm happy to overdub once the initial jam has been recorded, but to cature any spontaneity I need that live element to begin with.

    The beauty of the new Moog is the bass sounds. That, coupled with a couple of Model 15's playing arp's, Layr or Synthscaper for pads, a couple of Ruismaker's, a bunch of FX all running through AUM would be perfect for me. If I tried it though I'd end up ten minutes later with molten aluminium on my lap.

    The temptation is to buy it and wait until I can buy an iPad fast enough to run it as I want to. The reality is probably by then iOS13 will have crippled devices once again with animated moji overload and it'll still be in a folder.

    I agree. I also like to play layered stuff. I layer about everything...bass, lead, pads etc. and take the best out of any synth and combine them. Often just 2 sounds alone can sound boring but just layer them as they are one can create some timbre and magic i don´t expected.
    The Moog Model D is for sure great to use as bass and drone stuff f.e.

  • Indeed, i even would prefer to buy the bender as FX AUv3 for 5 dollars. It will make other synths growl as good too.

  • @Audiohub said:

    Slightly OT: Can anyone manage to program a decent recreation of the 'Autobahn' pad/lead sound with this?
    I guess those chords were probably a modular moog originally (?) but since this has polyphony I wonder if it's possible to get a close approximation... I tried but without too much success so far.

    I think that they used the Minimoog for this.
    Mono mode.
    You can tune the oscillators in a chord.
    Oscillator 1 8’ (Root note)
    Oscillator 2. 8’. (Up a major third)
    Oscillator 3. 16’. (Up a major fifth)
    I think all three oscillators are set to the middle pulse width setting and a bit of filter sweep with a lower resonance setting.
    This kinda sounds like how I hear this in my head.
    Hope it helps!

    @Audiohub Thank you. Sound logic and a great explanation. I'll see what I can do.

  • 3 OSC are also nice for organ like sounds.

  • I do wonder if Moog intentionally 'forgot' to add numerical feedback when tweaking the knobs?! :)
    (It's all 'tuning by ear' for now hehe).

  • @Cib
    I never bought a moog synth app simply because they all sound boring to my ears (shame). Why you dont buy Layr if you like blending/layering sounds ? Im waiting for the au update and the brice presets are the best i have heard of any synth.> @MonzoPro said:

    @richardyot said:
    Plenty of great music has been made with artists running just one monophonic hardware Minimoog. So the fact that an Air 2 can't run five instances in AUv3 isn't really the end of the world. You can always layer by recording.

    It's not the end of the World, no. But as I said in my post, that's not how I work. I make music by jamming live with a bunch of synths all at once. Recording synths and instruments one at a time, track by track doesn't inspire me to create fresh sounding music. I'm happy to overdub once the initial jam has been recorded, but to capture any spontaneity I need that live element to begin with.

    The beauty of the new Moog is the bass sounds. That, coupled with a couple of Model 15's playing arp's, Layr or Synthscaper for pads, a couple of Ruismaker's, a bunch of FX all running through AUM would be perfect for me. If I tried it though I'd end up ten minutes later with molten aluminium on my lap.

    The temptation is to buy it and wait until I can buy an iPad fast enough to run it as I want to. The reality is probably by then iOS13 will have crippled devices with animated moji overload and pop-ups, and it'll be languishing in a folder called 'one day'.

    Why you dont use a DAW and bounce to audio tracks. You can do big projects only using 2/3 iaa's/au's at the same time, plus you dont need a new ipad pro.

  • edited March 2018

    I wasn't able to ever import patches using the Files app, the Model D app just froze every time. It works via Dropbox though (although still prone to crashing, have to quit the app and do a soft reset between every import).

    I'll share a couple of patches. I've been trying to find a decent guitar feedback sample for a while, so instead of going the sample route I've made a patch, it sounds way better than any samples I've found, especially with the 3 oscillators and polyphony, it can make quite a rich feedback sound:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/qy07369fnyyvdre/FEEDBACK 1.mdp?dl=0

    This one is more of a bread-and-butter sound, just a variation from one of the stock presets:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/2mcv0j2ty8375ns/TWEAKED MINI.mdp?dl=0

    It's a lot easier to program than Model 15, easier even than Zeeon since the options are more limited (less powerful obviously but also more straightforward if you have little sound design experience). In all honesty I didn't think I would get excited about yet another Minimoog emulation but this synth does sound really nice. I'm not at all interested in recreating vintage sounds, what I'm looking for are melancholic sounds, which are surprisingly rare in the usual fare of synth preset banks (I guess electronic music is rarely sad sounding) so I've come to realise I should really start making my own patches and this seems to be a good springboard: simple enough for me to get my head around anyway.

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