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Audiobus 2 pulled from AppStore? (Yes)

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  • @supadom said:

    @lovadamusic said:

    @Master_Ascendant said:

    @tja said:
    Oh.

    AB2 was on my wishlist!

    I kept hearing that it is more stable and also, that there is lower latency in some cases and wanted to have that.

    I am not so happy that it is gone :o

    Yeah, I’m really not very happy with this either. ... I bought AB2 maybe a year ago and have barely used it. I was really looking forward to getting AB3 at some point but Idk. It kinda feels like a waste of money to me anymore. These Forums are great though.

    Yeah, I learned years ago it's best to look at purchases of technology like a rental. Get your money's worth out of it right then and there because it's going to be obsolete, or there will be something new to move on to, soon enough. Of course, with iOS, it's never a huge investment to begin with, so easy to move on.

    I tend to see it as an ice cream.

    Yes, eat it before it melts. :)

  • I really don't like the decision. I would appreciate it VERY MUCH if i have had the chance to do an update or to download the latest version. (yes i know: you can always say it was my fault - but i am not an update-lover when i have a good working situation now)

    We have to except the decisions of a developer. In my opinion it would have been a nicer move, to tell this this removal from app store two weeks in advance and give the people the chance to react to it.

  • edited April 2018

    Many of us will feel let down by Michael for such a move but I think all of us can appreciate that the decision will have been made with proper consideration taken.

    It would have been nice to have had a few days to back up etc. but since there is still a way to download the latest version from ‘purchased’ section of AppStore and then save the IPA via back up I see no major problem with this. We’ve had quite a long overlap period between the two versions and since I’m hearing that a major AB3 update is on its way I can’t help but stay positive.

    Michael is a one man band now and streamlining is the best he can do for himself and therefore us, the end users. If he says that his business suffers due to people being confused rating the two versions then power to him, really.

    My initial reaction was: fuck, here we go again! But now after a bit of time and knowing AB3 will be more stable I have no issues with it whatsoever. After all I can still use AB2 until the next AB3 update and beyond if need be.

    Well, talking of absolescence, maybe this is the right moment to unplug my 10.5 11.2.6 from the grid. It doesn’t sound like a bad idea, actually.

  • @DaveMagoo said:
    Interesting

    Yes.

    Indeed.

    I only use AB2 on my iPads for serious work.

    AB3 I use on iPhone.

    Never truly reliable enough for me. Always something happens to me with it.'

    Yes it may be what I am doing but AB2 never gave me any issues.

  • wimwim
    edited April 2018

    @Looping_Loddar said:
    I really don't like the decision. I would appreciate it VERY MUCH if i have had the chance to do an update or to download the latest version. (yes i know: you can always say it was my fault - but i am not an update-lover when i have a good working situation now)

    We have to except the decisions of a developer. In my opinion it would have been a nicer move, to tell this this removal from app store two weeks in advance and give the people the chance to react to it.

    Many people seem to be missing that AB2 is no longer available for sale, but it is still available for install through the app store - no iTunes needed as far as I can see.

    Click the "head" icon at the top-right in the app store, then go to Purchased, and it should be listed there. No need to panic unless you don't see it there.

    As far as not being able to purchase AB2 anymore, no one should be surprised at that. Who keeps selling older versions of their products indefinitely?

    IMO Apple has created this drama by making it more obscure to see what you already purchased in the App Store.

  • edited April 2018

    Maybe a respective announcement a few weeks in advance might have been a good idea, even if it was only to give people the chance to purchase it in case they haven't yet decided to. Audiobus 3 requires iOS 10.2 which already locks out a number of iPad musicians.

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  • Just get with the times and get AB3. Come on guys. Are you really complaining about this? Geez, sometimes the entitlement and silliness of iOS users is beyond belief. Give Michael a break. AB2 is dead. Long live AB3.

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  • wimwim
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  • edited April 2018

    Now im wondering, and maybe someone familiar with the advanced features of AB3 can help me, but what is the future for AB now that we have native IAA and AU going forward? Thats basically all I used it for.

    I could see it becomming an Aum competitor if it added their main features plus something unique.

  • @Carnbot said:

    You can also use ifunbox and iMazing to backup and reinstall apps.
    >
    iMazing has worked like a dream for me, when it comes to backups.

  • @tja said:

    @brambos said:
    Just get with the times and get AB3. Come on guys. Are you really complaining about this? Geez, sometimes the entitlement and silliness of iOS users is beyond belief. Give Michael a break. AB2 is dead. Long live AB3.

    I have AB3 since long.
    But there is a good share of people who have serious problems with it - especially for playing live.
    Those people prefer AB2.

    And I would have liked to get a chance to get it.
    An announcement would have been in order, especially as we have such a close relationship / community here.

    Just removing it without former information was shortsighted and not nice!
    And no argument can remove these facts.

    If it is that important to you, why did you wait so long to get it?

    Speaking of selfish, developers have concerns as well. From the sound of it, the idea was to stop selling AB2 because it's causing problems for Michael. If he wanted people buying it now, he would have offered that option, but he didn't. And since when have companies been obligated to announce anything before it happens?

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  • Perhaps it could be returned to the store under a name that wouldn't confuse new buyers e.g. "Audiobus 2 Legacy Don't Buy!"

  • wimwim
    edited April 2018

    AudioBus - Luddite Pro Edition ($199 USD) :p

  • Just having some fun. Pls don't take seriously.

  • @1nsomniak said:
    Now im wondering, and maybe someone familiar with the advanced features of AB3 can help me, but what is the future for AB now that we have native IAA and AU going forward? Thats basically all I used it for.

    I could see it becomming an Aum competitor if it added their main features plus something unique.

    Right now, Audiobus 3 is acting as my master transport for virtually all my Link enabled apps, as well as as some IAA only apps (Cubasis, primarily).

    It is also great for the use of the Midiflow line of midi plugins.

    Also, if you use samplers and loopers and want to use your other apps to generate material and live record/sample into those sampler/Looper apps, you need Audiobus to connect them together in almost all cases.

    Then there is the feature that most people can’t live without - session preset saving with app state saving..

    Audiobus remote rocks, Audiobus forum rocks, Audiobus developer rocks...
    You see what I’m getting at here? :)

  • Thanks for the lovely support guys :blush:

    AB2 had had its time, that's all. AB3 is the future, and it's going to keep getting better. If anyone is having issues they should really talk to me about it so they can be resolved, rather than continuing to use the old stuff which will inevitably continue to degrade anyway as iOS moves on. I say let's look forward instead. Good stuff coming (including saying goodbye to "tap to fix", by the way).

  • @Michael said:
    Thanks for the lovely support guys :blush:

    AB2 had had its time, that's all. AB3 is the future, and it's going to keep getting better. If anyone is having issues they should really talk to me about it so they can be resolved, rather than continuing to use the old stuff which will inevitably continue to degrade anyway as iOS moves on. I say let's look forward instead. Good stuff coming (including saying goodbye to "tap to fix", by the way).

    <3

  • @tja said:

    @lovadamusic said:

    @tja said:

    @brambos said:
    Just get with the times and get AB3. Come on guys. Are you really complaining about this? Geez, sometimes the entitlement and silliness of iOS users is beyond belief. Give Michael a break. AB2 is dead. Long live AB3.

    I have AB3 since long.
    But there is a good share of people who have serious problems with it - especially for playing live.
    Those people prefer AB2.

    And I would have liked to get a chance to get it.
    An announcement would have been in order, especially as we have such a close relationship / community here.

    Just removing it without former information was shortsighted and not nice!
    And no argument can remove these facts.

    If it is that important to you, why did you wait so long to get it?

    Speaking of selfish, developers have concerns as well. From the sound of it, the idea was to stop selling AB2 because it's causing problems for Michael. If he wanted people buying it now, he would have offered that option, but he didn't. And since when have companies been obligated to announce anything before it happens?

    Yes, like Apple and others, companies can do with their products as they wish.
    Did I say something different?

    Read again, I just said it was shortsighted and not nice.

    And especially in a forum and community like this, I would have expected an announcement.

    And I think that Michael would just reply "Yes, I did not think of that - sorry".

    I would have expected that anyone wanting AB2 would have had it by now, and that there would be no sour grapes about it being pulled from the shelves without fanfare, so to speak... as in, thank you AB2, you had your day in the sun, time to move on to AB3. That's what we get for having expectations. :)

  • Thanks to @supadom and the others who explained why AB2 was still vital to a lot of users in the community. I definitely get it now and am sympathetic to those who were using it or just wanted the option to do so.

  • wimwim
    edited April 2018

    @JRSIV said:
    Thanks to @supadom and the others who explained why AB2 was still vital to a lot of users in the community. I definitely get it now and am sympathetic to those who were using it or just wanted the option to do so.

    If they were using it there’s nothing keeping them from it! This changes nothing. If they do think they want to and they haven’t bought it by now then somehow I think they’ll live.

  • @wim said:

    @JRSIV said:
    Thanks to @supadom and the others who explained why AB2 was still vital to a lot of users in the community. I definitely get it now and am sympathetic to those who were using it or just wanted the option to do so.

    If they were using it there’s nothing keeping them from it! This changes nothing. If they do think they want to and they haven’t bought it by now then somehow I think they’ll live.

    Well brother you both know how we musician/Producers are...well, f-that I'll speak for myself: I would get annoyed and all OCD'd out if one of my favorite apps was taken off the store and wouldn't be updated. Even if the app could be backed up via iFunbox or something I'd be worried if my iPad took a shit or if a solar flare erased all iOS apps under 500mb's (hey, it could happen! Lol) that I would be S.O.L.

    Was just trying to see their view point. But as I inferred my gut feeling is well, AB3 really is better and time marches on. It's a double edged sword this crazy technology: we get desktop quality audio capability on a slate the size of a magazine, but said slate probably/definitely has engineered obsolescence techniques in play & the software & apps we all "buy" really aren't "owned" by us. We're licensed users...

    Sorry for the rant, just trying to see both sides of a situation.

  • @JRSIV said:

    @wim said:

    @JRSIV said:
    Thanks to @supadom and the others who explained why AB2 was still vital to a lot of users in the community. I definitely get it now and am sympathetic to those who were using it or just wanted the option to do so.

    If they were using it there’s nothing keeping them from it! This changes nothing. If they do think they want to and they haven’t bought it by now then somehow I think they’ll live.

    Well brother you both know how we musician/Producers are...well, f-that I'll speak for myself: I would get annoyed and all OCD'd out if one of my favorite apps was taken off the store and wouldn't be updated. Even if the app could be backed up via iFunbox or something I'd be worried if my iPad took a shit or if a solar flare erased all iOS apps under 500mb's (hey, it could happen! Lol) that I would be S.O.L.

    Was just trying to see their view point. But as I inferred my gut feeling is well, AB3 really is better and time marches on. It's a double edged sword this crazy technology: we get desktop quality audio capability on a slate the size of a magazine, but said slate probably/definitely has engineered obsolescence techniques in play & the software & apps we all "buy" really aren't "owned" by us. We're licensed users...

    Sorry for the rant, just trying to see both sides of a situation.

    It's still in the purchased section. You can redownload it at any time if you already own it. So it isn't really gone at all for anyone that uses it currently. People that don't own it weren't using it anyways. So why complain about it ?

  • @JRSIV said:

    @wim said:

    @JRSIV said:
    Thanks to @supadom and the others who explained why AB2 was still vital to a lot of users in the community. I definitely get it now and am sympathetic to those who were using it or just wanted the option to do so.

    If they were using it there’s nothing keeping them from it! This changes nothing. If they do think they want to and they haven’t bought it by now then somehow I think they’ll live.

    Well brother you both know how we musician/Producers are...well, f-that I'll speak for myself: I would get annoyed and all OCD'd out if one of my favorite apps was taken off the store and wouldn't be updated. Even if the app could be backed up via iFunbox or something I'd be worried if my iPad took a shit or if a solar flare erased all iOS apps under 500mb's (hey, it could happen! Lol) that I would be S.O.L.

    Was just trying to see their view point. But as I inferred my gut feeling is well, AB3 really is better and time marches on. It's a double edged sword this crazy technology: we get desktop quality audio capability on a slate the size of a magazine, but said slate probably/definitely has engineered obsolescence techniques in play & the software & apps we all "buy" really aren't "owned" by us. We're licensed users...

    Sorry for the rant, just trying to see both sides of a situation.

    Everybody who takes this shit seriously would get OCD about the workflow that doesn’t or is about to stop working. Nothing wrong with that, be it hardware or software. The unfortunate thing for us is that here we’re talking software with Apple constantly fiddling with the wires so the emojis get more impressive than Google’s.

    Some people find it easier to morph into a new situation than others but there’s nothing wrong with venting this frustration on a related forum.

    Hearing ‘get over it’ seems a bit out of place, irrespective le of the price of the app in question.

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  • @Michael said:
    Thanks for the lovely support guys :blush:

    Good stuff coming (including saying goodbye to "tap to fix", by the way).

    Best news to me! Thanks for your work dudemate

  • @tja said:

    @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @JRSIV said:

    @wim said:

    @JRSIV said:
    Thanks to @supadom and the others who explained why AB2 was still vital to a lot of users in the community. I definitely get it now and am sympathetic to those who were using it or just wanted the option to do so.

    If they were using it there’s nothing keeping them from it! This changes nothing. If they do think they want to and they haven’t bought it by now then somehow I think they’ll live.

    Well brother you both know how we musician/Producers are...well, f-that I'll speak for myself: I would get annoyed and all OCD'd out if one of my favorite apps was taken off the store and wouldn't be updated. Even if the app could be backed up via iFunbox or something I'd be worried if my iPad took a shit or if a solar flare erased all iOS apps under 500mb's (hey, it could happen! Lol) that I would be S.O.L.

    Was just trying to see their view point. But as I inferred my gut feeling is well, AB3 really is better and time marches on. It's a double edged sword this crazy technology: we get desktop quality audio capability on a slate the size of a magazine, but said slate probably/definitely has engineered obsolescence techniques in play & the software & apps we all "buy" really aren't "owned" by us. We're licensed users...

    Sorry for the rant, just trying to see both sides of a situation.

    It's still in the purchased section. You can redownload it at any time if you already own it. So it isn't really gone at all for anyone that uses it currently. People that don't own it weren't using it anyways. So why complain about it ?

    It seems pointless to explain that again:

    I did not buy it.
    But I would have liked to buy it.
    If I was given a chance!
    But I was not given a chance.
    Nobody was given a chance!

    And acting in this way, was shortsighted and not nice.
    And Michael does not even say a word about this.
    This is disappointing.

    I don't understand the reactions to my valid complains!
    I am out of this topic.

    You had plenty of time to buy it. It's been mentioned since launch of Ab3 that Ab2 was going to be unsupported going forward. Yet people kept giving audiobus2 negative reviews due to bugs in newer iOS versions. So I understand why Michael pulled it. Owning both on iOS 11.3 ab2 just doesn't work that well anymore so I deleted it from my iPad.

  • edited April 2018

    @supadom said:
    (...) It would have been nice to have had a few days to back up etc. but since there is still a way to download the latest version from ‘purchased’ section of AppStore and then save the IPA via back up I see no major problem with this.

    Thank you for your nice answer!

    I should have known it better, but i wrongly thought i don't get the latest version when i go to the purchased section of the iTunes store. So, deleting the app from the mediathek and then redownload it from "purchased" worked great for me.

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