AUv3 StepPoly ARP AU OMG!!!!

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I saw on Facebook Beepstreet is eyeing up an AU piano roll as a potential project. But the more AU sequencer options we have the better. I personally can’t wait for the Thesys AU update.

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@MonzoPro said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:
I rarely find the 11 channels a limitation over the 32 steps. I usually use a scale that works for that section of music. The next 32 notes can be a different scale or whatever notes I want. I tend to just select a scale and then alter a few note values as needed.

The only time I seem to go above 7 notes mostly is when I’ve got a section that is linking two different scales.

I know we always by nature want more, but in my use scenarios, I’ve not needed more. Obviously many people will use it differently and probably push music way beyond my basic level

Yeah I’m sure it’d work fine for me as it is, but it’s frustrating to know it has limitations before I dive in.

@Dawdles said:

@MonzoPro said:

@wim said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Dawdles said:

@MonzoPro said:
I notice in the vids there isn’t a full chromatic scale visible. I’ve seen you can change the values of what notes are used (+4 etc.), but can you have the full range of 12 notes if you need it? I presume it’d just mean a bit of scrolling?

My only real complaint about the app is the lack of a full scale option in the grid. Would love to see it added. You can dial in any note you like but it's often not very fluid. You have to dial in the note interval per row by swiping in the value boxes far left. And then place your notes. Not ideal for fast workflow.

Some small GUI adjustments and an alt 'full chromatic piano roll' mode would make the app pretty much perfect from my POV...

Ah right..,not ideal. Does that mean you’re limited to 7 notes, or can you dial in different notes on each row?

Bit of a weird setup, they could just add a scroll bar.

You're limited to the rows that show, but you can dial in any notes you want in those rows.

Thanks. Just had another reply which says there’s a drum template giving the full range, so it should work.

Sweet, Ill check that out, wonder if it let's you go up/down in octaves? Really need to dig further in to this app...too little time so far

Not sure, good to know it’s got the full range at least though.

Seems a shame they haven’t added more lanes, in the screens I’ve seen there’s plenty of room.

@Dawdles said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:
I rarely find the 11 channels a limitation over the 32 steps. I usually use a scale that works for that section of music. The next 32 notes can be a different scale or whatever notes I want. I tend to just select a scale and then alter a few note values as needed.

The only time I seem to go above 7 notes mostly is when I’ve got a section that is linking two different scales.

I know we always by nature want more, but in my use scenarios, I’ve not needed more. Obviously many people will use it differently and probably push music way beyond my basic level

It's just nice for the 'what if' factor.. Like trying different notes quickly. Sometimes stumble on some cool atonal stuff like that.

Or if used in Beatmaker 3 on a 64 pad bank of samples that are different sounds instead of different notes

Yeah, I’m completely with you guys on wanting something that really is a full blown AU midi sequencer. The more variety we have the better to be honest.

I also want to see an AU timeline for triggering all these AU sequencers and arps easily on the tracks timeline.

I’m sure someone will go beyond this more app based app in an AU eventually. The modular ‘DAW’ is only a few devices away really.

Even if we had a full blown AU sequencer, I’m sure I would still use all these other tools too. I wonder who will be the dev to make the first stab at an AU sequencer? Will it be piano roll or something else? I’m hoping we get all the usual devs throwing in. You really can’t have enough midi players / recorders.

Then maybe the AU audio recorders, loopers etc will start to appear too

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@Dawdles said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:
I rarely find the 11 channels a limitation over the 32 steps. I usually use a scale that works for that section of music. The next 32 notes can be a different scale or whatever notes I want. I tend to just select a scale and then alter a few note values as needed.

The only time I seem to go above 7 notes mostly is when I’ve got a section that is linking two different scales.

I know we always by nature want more, but in my use scenarios, I’ve not needed more. Obviously many people will use it differently and probably push music way beyond my basic level

Yeah I’m sure it’d work fine for me as it is, but it’s frustrating to know it has limitations before I dive in.

@Dawdles said:

@MonzoPro said:

@wim said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Dawdles said:

@MonzoPro said:
I notice in the vids there isn’t a full chromatic scale visible. I’ve seen you can change the values of what notes are used (+4 etc.), but can you have the full range of 12 notes if you need it? I presume it’d just mean a bit of scrolling?

My only real complaint about the app is the lack of a full scale option in the grid. Would love to see it added. You can dial in any note you like but it's often not very fluid. You have to dial in the note interval per row by swiping in the value boxes far left. And then place your notes. Not ideal for fast workflow.

Some small GUI adjustments and an alt 'full chromatic piano roll' mode would make the app pretty much perfect from my POV...

Ah right..,not ideal. Does that mean you’re limited to 7 notes, or can you dial in different notes on each row?

Bit of a weird setup, they could just add a scroll bar.

You're limited to the rows that show, but you can dial in any notes you want in those rows.

Thanks. Just had another reply which says there’s a drum template giving the full range, so it should work.

Sweet, Ill check that out, wonder if it let's you go up/down in octaves? Really need to dig further in to this app...too little time so far

Not sure, good to know it’s got the full range at least though.

Seems a shame they haven’t added more lanes, in the screens I’ve seen there’s plenty of room.

@Dawdles said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:
I rarely find the 11 channels a limitation over the 32 steps. I usually use a scale that works for that section of music. The next 32 notes can be a different scale or whatever notes I want. I tend to just select a scale and then alter a few note values as needed.

The only time I seem to go above 7 notes mostly is when I’ve got a section that is linking two different scales.

I know we always by nature want more, but in my use scenarios, I’ve not needed more. Obviously many people will use it differently and probably push music way beyond my basic level

It's just nice for the 'what if' factor.. Like trying different notes quickly. Sometimes stumble on some cool atonal stuff like that.

Or if used in Beatmaker 3 on a 64 pad bank of samples that are different sounds instead of different notes

Yeah, I’m completely with you guys on wanting something that really is a full blown AU midi sequencer. The more variety we have the better to be honest.

I also want to see an AU timeline for triggering all these AU sequencers and arps easily on the tracks timeline.

I’m sure someone will go beyond this more app based app in an AU eventually. The modular ‘DAW’ is only a few devices away really.

Even if we had a full blown AU sequencer, I’m sure I would still use all these other tools too. I wonder who will be the dev to make the first stab at an AU sequencer? Will it be piano roll or something else? I’m hoping we get all the usual devs throwing in. You really can’t have enough midi players / recorders.

Then maybe the AU audio recorders, loopers etc will start to appear too

It’s actually mostly for the arp mode that id like the full octave in rows. Just for quicker workflow when experimenting with notes. Not really looking for an au piano roll for sequencing patterns as bm3 does that already

Sure one will come eventually. I personally still am desperate for an AU piano roll, it opens up far more possibilities for the modular approach. Once certain AU apps become available, I could see me hardly ever going back to an app like BM3

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@Dawdles said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:
I rarely find the 11 channels a limitation over the 32 steps. I usually use a scale that works for that section of music. The next 32 notes can be a different scale or whatever notes I want. I tend to just select a scale and then alter a few note values as needed.

The only time I seem to go above 7 notes mostly is when I’ve got a section that is linking two different scales.

I know we always by nature want more, but in my use scenarios, I’ve not needed more. Obviously many people will use it differently and probably push music way beyond my basic level

Yeah I’m sure it’d work fine for me as it is, but it’s frustrating to know it has limitations before I dive in.

@Dawdles said:

@MonzoPro said:

@wim said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Dawdles said:

@MonzoPro said:
I notice in the vids there isn’t a full chromatic scale visible. I’ve seen you can change the values of what notes are used (+4 etc.), but can you have the full range of 12 notes if you need it? I presume it’d just mean a bit of scrolling?

My only real complaint about the app is the lack of a full scale option in the grid. Would love to see it added. You can dial in any note you like but it's often not very fluid. You have to dial in the note interval per row by swiping in the value boxes far left. And then place your notes. Not ideal for fast workflow.

Some small GUI adjustments and an alt 'full chromatic piano roll' mode would make the app pretty much perfect from my POV...

Ah right..,not ideal. Does that mean you’re limited to 7 notes, or can you dial in different notes on each row?

Bit of a weird setup, they could just add a scroll bar.

You're limited to the rows that show, but you can dial in any notes you want in those rows.

Thanks. Just had another reply which says there’s a drum template giving the full range, so it should work.

Sweet, Ill check that out, wonder if it let's you go up/down in octaves? Really need to dig further in to this app...too little time so far

Not sure, good to know it’s got the full range at least though.

Seems a shame they haven’t added more lanes, in the screens I’ve seen there’s plenty of room.

@Dawdles said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:
I rarely find the 11 channels a limitation over the 32 steps. I usually use a scale that works for that section of music. The next 32 notes can be a different scale or whatever notes I want. I tend to just select a scale and then alter a few note values as needed.

The only time I seem to go above 7 notes mostly is when I’ve got a section that is linking two different scales.

I know we always by nature want more, but in my use scenarios, I’ve not needed more. Obviously many people will use it differently and probably push music way beyond my basic level

It's just nice for the 'what if' factor.. Like trying different notes quickly. Sometimes stumble on some cool atonal stuff like that.

Or if used in Beatmaker 3 on a 64 pad bank of samples that are different sounds instead of different notes

Yeah, I’m completely with you guys on wanting something that really is a full blown AU midi sequencer. The more variety we have the better to be honest.

I also want to see an AU timeline for triggering all these AU sequencers and arps easily on the tracks timeline.

I’m sure someone will go beyond this more app based app in an AU eventually. The modular ‘DAW’ is only a few devices away really.

Even if we had a full blown AU sequencer, I’m sure I would still use all these other tools too. I wonder who will be the dev to make the first stab at an AU sequencer? Will it be piano roll or something else? I’m hoping we get all the usual devs throwing in. You really can’t have enough midi players / recorders.

Then maybe the AU audio recorders, loopers etc will start to appear too

It’s actually mostly for the arp mode that id like the full octave in rows. Just for quicker workflow when experimenting with notes. Not really looking for an au piano roll for sequencing patterns as bm3 does that already

I’m attracted to the arp mode too - being able to change key via the keyboard is a quick way to build a decent track.

I think I’m going to have to revisit BM3 today before buying SPA though, just in case I’m missing a trick.

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@Dawdles said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@Dawdles said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:
I rarely find the 11 channels a limitation over the 32 steps. I usually use a scale that works for that section of music. The next 32 notes can be a different scale or whatever notes I want. I tend to just select a scale and then alter a few note values as needed.

The only time I seem to go above 7 notes mostly is when I’ve got a section that is linking two different scales.

I know we always by nature want more, but in my use scenarios, I’ve not needed more. Obviously many people will use it differently and probably push music way beyond my basic level

Yeah I’m sure it’d work fine for me as it is, but it’s frustrating to know it has limitations before I dive in.

@Dawdles said:

@MonzoPro said:

@wim said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Dawdles said:

@MonzoPro said:
I notice in the vids there isn’t a full chromatic scale visible. I’ve seen you can change the values of what notes are used (+4 etc.), but can you have the full range of 12 notes if you need it? I presume it’d just mean a bit of scrolling?

My only real complaint about the app is the lack of a full scale option in the grid. Would love to see it added. You can dial in any note you like but it's often not very fluid. You have to dial in the note interval per row by swiping in the value boxes far left. And then place your notes. Not ideal for fast workflow.

Some small GUI adjustments and an alt 'full chromatic piano roll' mode would make the app pretty much perfect from my POV...

Ah right..,not ideal. Does that mean you’re limited to 7 notes, or can you dial in different notes on each row?

Bit of a weird setup, they could just add a scroll bar.

You're limited to the rows that show, but you can dial in any notes you want in those rows.

Thanks. Just had another reply which says there’s a drum template giving the full range, so it should work.

Sweet, Ill check that out, wonder if it let's you go up/down in octaves? Really need to dig further in to this app...too little time so far

Not sure, good to know it’s got the full range at least though.

Seems a shame they haven’t added more lanes, in the screens I’ve seen there’s plenty of room.

@Dawdles said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:
I rarely find the 11 channels a limitation over the 32 steps. I usually use a scale that works for that section of music. The next 32 notes can be a different scale or whatever notes I want. I tend to just select a scale and then alter a few note values as needed.

The only time I seem to go above 7 notes mostly is when I’ve got a section that is linking two different scales.

I know we always by nature want more, but in my use scenarios, I’ve not needed more. Obviously many people will use it differently and probably push music way beyond my basic level

It's just nice for the 'what if' factor.. Like trying different notes quickly. Sometimes stumble on some cool atonal stuff like that.

Or if used in Beatmaker 3 on a 64 pad bank of samples that are different sounds instead of different notes

Yeah, I’m completely with you guys on wanting something that really is a full blown AU midi sequencer. The more variety we have the better to be honest.

I also want to see an AU timeline for triggering all these AU sequencers and arps easily on the tracks timeline.

I’m sure someone will go beyond this more app based app in an AU eventually. The modular ‘DAW’ is only a few devices away really.

Even if we had a full blown AU sequencer, I’m sure I would still use all these other tools too. I wonder who will be the dev to make the first stab at an AU sequencer? Will it be piano roll or something else? I’m hoping we get all the usual devs throwing in. You really can’t have enough midi players / recorders.

Then maybe the AU audio recorders, loopers etc will start to appear too

It’s actually mostly for the arp mode that id like the full octave in rows. Just for quicker workflow when experimenting with notes. Not really looking for an au piano roll for sequencing patterns as bm3 does that already

Sure one will come eventually. I personally still am desperate for an AU piano roll, it opens up far more possibilities for the modular approach. Once certain AU apps become available, I could see me hardly ever going back to an app like BM3

Depends really... Global macros + infinite lfos/envs/step mod on AU params and on macros + Arpeggiator etc... It's all stuff confirmed on the bm3 roadmap...just hurts waiting for it I'll still use speciality stuff like SPA that really nails one aspect, but I think eventually most of my modulation etc will be done by BM3 after the big modulation update drops.... For me having midi+audio+automation+sample library all based in one environment/browser = optimal workflow...Can't see me ever bailing on that for the scattered approach

I would take you up on ‘scattered’ (because it need not be with the right host), but I did see the wink lol

Although this has probably taken me longer to set up than running down the shop for ice cream!

One SPAu running 6 instances of Ruismaker.
One SPAu running a SynthMaster One arp
One SPAu running a WaveMapper bass
One SynthMaster One as a lead played on the keyboard
Spaces left for fx for the individual drums (to be added)
Spaces left for fx for each instrument (to be added)
All bussed through a final FAC Maxima

gonekrazy3000

@Dawdles said:

@gonekrazy3000 said:
To be fair. A more pressing feature request is to let us enter precise values per step into the cc automation area. Just sliding up and down is extremely fiddly.

Dunno if that's more pressing for me personally but yeah, all part of the general small gui refinements that could be made....

I don't think you understand why it's useful. Steppolyarp can switch patterns depending on the value of cc 21. It plays patterns 1-16 depending on the value of 0-15. If we could chose precisely what value each step is we could basically have master song mode instances running at much slower speeds triggering pattern changes for other instances. Basically making step poly arp the only sequencer you need in aum. In the current implementation it's extremely difficult to set precise values per step.

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@gonekrazy3000 said:

@Dawdles said:

@gonekrazy3000 said:
To be fair. A more pressing feature request is to let us enter precise values per step into the cc automation area. Just sliding up and down is extremely fiddly.

Dunno if that's more pressing for me personally but yeah, all part of the general small gui refinements that could be made....

I don't think you understand why it's useful. Steppolyarp can switch patterns depending on the value of cc 21. It plays patterns 1-16 depending on the value of 0-15. If we could chose precisely what value each step is we could basically have master song mode instances running at much slower speeds triggering pattern changes for other instances. Basically making step poly arp the only sequencer you need in aum. In the current implementation it's extremely difficult to set precise values per step.

That sounds interesting

gonekrazy3000

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@gonekrazy3000 said:

@Dawdles said:

@gonekrazy3000 said:
To be fair. A more pressing feature request is to let us enter precise values per step into the cc automation area. Just sliding up and down is extremely fiddly.

Dunno if that's more pressing for me personally but yeah, all part of the general small gui refinements that could be made....

I don't think you understand why it's useful. Steppolyarp can switch patterns depending on the value of cc 21. It plays patterns 1-16 depending on the value of 0-15. If we could chose precisely what value each step is we could basically have master song mode instances running at much slower speeds triggering pattern changes for other instances. Basically making step poly arp the only sequencer you need in aum. In the current implementation it's extremely difficult to set precise values per step.

That sounds interesting

I've already posted videos of this experiment earlier. Just setting the precise cc values is annoying currently since we don't even get a popup mentioning the current value.

Sequencing in Aum itself is pretty fun. Here's an example although I didn't do pattern changes in this one. But a single chord progression is driving 3 synths with appregiated chords, normal and a Melody based on said chords.

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@gonekrazy3000 said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@gonekrazy3000 said:

@Dawdles said:

@gonekrazy3000 said:
To be fair. A more pressing feature request is to let us enter precise values per step into the cc automation area. Just sliding up and down is extremely fiddly.

Dunno if that's more pressing for me personally but yeah, all part of the general small gui refinements that could be made....

I don't think you understand why it's useful. Steppolyarp can switch patterns depending on the value of cc 21. It plays patterns 1-16 depending on the value of 0-15. If we could chose precisely what value each step is we could basically have master song mode instances running at much slower speeds triggering pattern changes for other instances. Basically making step poly arp the only sequencer you need in aum. In the current implementation it's extremely difficult to set precise values per step.

That sounds interesting

I've already posted videos of this experiment earlier. Just setting the precise cc values is annoying currently since we don't even get a popup mentioning the current value.

Yeah I can see your point here.

Also. I’ve discussed before having a ‘timeline’ AU to trigger other midi and audio AUs, but to have a polyrhythmic timeline with easy change of key would be great.

AndyPlankton

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:
I rarely find the 11 channels a limitation over the 32 steps. I usually use a scale that works for that section of music. The next 32 notes can be a different scale or whatever notes I want. I tend to just select a scale and then alter a few note values as needed.

The only time I seem to go above 7 notes mostly is when I’ve got a section that is linking two different scales.

I know we always by nature want more, but in my use scenarios, I’ve not needed more. Obviously many people will use it differently and probably push music way beyond my basic level

Yeah I’m sure it’d work fine for me as it is, but it’s frustrating to know it has limitations before I dive in.

@Dawdles said:

@MonzoPro said:

@wim said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Dawdles said:

@MonzoPro said:
I notice in the vids there isn’t a full chromatic scale visible. I’ve seen you can change the values of what notes are used (+4 etc.), but can you have the full range of 12 notes if you need it? I presume it’d just mean a bit of scrolling?

My only real complaint about the app is the lack of a full scale option in the grid. Would love to see it added. You can dial in any note you like but it's often not very fluid. You have to dial in the note interval per row by swiping in the value boxes far left. And then place your notes. Not ideal for fast workflow.

Some small GUI adjustments and an alt 'full chromatic piano roll' mode would make the app pretty much perfect from my POV...

Ah right..,not ideal. Does that mean you’re limited to 7 notes, or can you dial in different notes on each row?

Bit of a weird setup, they could just add a scroll bar.

You're limited to the rows that show, but you can dial in any notes you want in those rows.

Thanks. Just had another reply which says there’s a drum template giving the full range, so it should work.

Sweet, Ill check that out, wonder if it let's you go up/down in octaves? Really need to dig further in to this app...too little time so far

Not sure, good to know it’s got the full range at least though.

Seems a shame they haven’t added more lanes, in the screens I’ve seen there’s plenty of room.

@Dawdles said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:
I rarely find the 11 channels a limitation over the 32 steps. I usually use a scale that works for that section of music. The next 32 notes can be a different scale or whatever notes I want. I tend to just select a scale and then alter a few note values as needed.

The only time I seem to go above 7 notes mostly is when I’ve got a section that is linking two different scales.

I know we always by nature want more, but in my use scenarios, I’ve not needed more. Obviously many people will use it differently and probably push music way beyond my basic level

It's just nice for the 'what if' factor.. Like trying different notes quickly. Sometimes stumble on some cool atonal stuff like that.

Or if used in Beatmaker 3 on a 64 pad bank of samples that are different sounds instead of different notes

Yeah, I’m completely with you guys on wanting something that really is a full blown AU midi sequencer. The more variety we have the better to be honest.

I also want to see an AU timeline for triggering all these AU sequencers and arps easily on the tracks timeline.

I’m sure someone will go beyond this more app based app in an AU eventually. The modular ‘DAW’ is only a few devices away really.

Even if we had a full blown AU sequencer, I’m sure I would still use all these other tools too. I wonder who will be the dev to make the first stab at an AU sequencer? Will it be piano roll or something else? I’m hoping we get all the usual devs throwing in. You really can’t have enough midi players / recorders.

Then maybe the AU audio recorders, loopers etc will start to appear too

FruityLoopsAU (based on version 1 or 2) would be ideal as a step sequencer

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@AndyPlankton said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:
I rarely find the 11 channels a limitation over the 32 steps. I usually use a scale that works for that section of music. The next 32 notes can be a different scale or whatever notes I want. I tend to just select a scale and then alter a few note values as needed.

The only time I seem to go above 7 notes mostly is when I’ve got a section that is linking two different scales.

I know we always by nature want more, but in my use scenarios, I’ve not needed more. Obviously many people will use it differently and probably push music way beyond my basic level

Yeah I’m sure it’d work fine for me as it is, but it’s frustrating to know it has limitations before I dive in.

@Dawdles said:

@MonzoPro said:

@wim said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Dawdles said:

@MonzoPro said:
I notice in the vids there isn’t a full chromatic scale visible. I’ve seen you can change the values of what notes are used (+4 etc.), but can you have the full range of 12 notes if you need it? I presume it’d just mean a bit of scrolling?

My only real complaint about the app is the lack of a full scale option in the grid. Would love to see it added. You can dial in any note you like but it's often not very fluid. You have to dial in the note interval per row by swiping in the value boxes far left. And then place your notes. Not ideal for fast workflow.

Some small GUI adjustments and an alt 'full chromatic piano roll' mode would make the app pretty much perfect from my POV...

Ah right..,not ideal. Does that mean you’re limited to 7 notes, or can you dial in different notes on each row?

Bit of a weird setup, they could just add a scroll bar.

You're limited to the rows that show, but you can dial in any notes you want in those rows.

Thanks. Just had another reply which says there’s a drum template giving the full range, so it should work.

Sweet, Ill check that out, wonder if it let's you go up/down in octaves? Really need to dig further in to this app...too little time so far

Not sure, good to know it’s got the full range at least though.

Seems a shame they haven’t added more lanes, in the screens I’ve seen there’s plenty of room.

@Dawdles said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:
I rarely find the 11 channels a limitation over the 32 steps. I usually use a scale that works for that section of music. The next 32 notes can be a different scale or whatever notes I want. I tend to just select a scale and then alter a few note values as needed.

The only time I seem to go above 7 notes mostly is when I’ve got a section that is linking two different scales.

I know we always by nature want more, but in my use scenarios, I’ve not needed more. Obviously many people will use it differently and probably push music way beyond my basic level

It's just nice for the 'what if' factor.. Like trying different notes quickly. Sometimes stumble on some cool atonal stuff like that.

Or if used in Beatmaker 3 on a 64 pad bank of samples that are different sounds instead of different notes

Yeah, I’m completely with you guys on wanting something that really is a full blown AU midi sequencer. The more variety we have the better to be honest.

I also want to see an AU timeline for triggering all these AU sequencers and arps easily on the tracks timeline.

I’m sure someone will go beyond this more app based app in an AU eventually. The modular ‘DAW’ is only a few devices away really.

Even if we had a full blown AU sequencer, I’m sure I would still use all these other tools too. I wonder who will be the dev to make the first stab at an AU sequencer? Will it be piano roll or something else? I’m hoping we get all the usual devs throwing in. You really can’t have enough midi players / recorders.

Then maybe the AU audio recorders, loopers etc will start to appear too

FruityLoopsAU (based on version 1 or 2) would be ideal as a step sequencer

Me I’ve never tried to be honest.

cretakano

Sent a message to Laurent and main midi channel output for the AU version is coming in an update, which will be great for arping/sequencing hardware on different channels It really should be handled by AUM like every other DAW does, but for some reason you can only filter the midi channel input, not the output.

gonekrazy3000

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@gonekrazy3000 said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@gonekrazy3000 said:

@Dawdles said:

@gonekrazy3000 said:
To be fair. A more pressing feature request is to let us enter precise values per step into the cc automation area. Just sliding up and down is extremely fiddly.

Dunno if that's more pressing for me personally but yeah, all part of the general small gui refinements that could be made....

I don't think you understand why it's useful. Steppolyarp can switch patterns depending on the value of cc 21. It plays patterns 1-16 depending on the value of 0-15. If we could chose precisely what value each step is we could basically have master song mode instances running at much slower speeds triggering pattern changes for other instances. Basically making step poly arp the only sequencer you need in aum. In the current implementation it's extremely difficult to set precise values per step.

That sounds interesting

I've already posted videos of this experiment earlier. Just setting the precise cc values is annoying currently since we don't even get a popup mentioning the current value.

Yeah I can see your point here.

Also. I’ve discussed before having a ‘timeline’ AU to trigger other midi and audio AUs, but to have a polyrhythmic timeline with easy change of key would be great.

i actually edited the post to show the actual timeline pattern shifting. check it out. basically. with 16 patterns with 32 steps per pattern.... running them at 1 step per bar you can basically do entire tracks. the only thing missing is an easier method to input the value for the cc per step.

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@Fruitbat1919 said:

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@Dawdles said:

@gonekrazy3000 said:
To be fair. A more pressing feature request is to let us enter precise values per step into the cc automation area. Just sliding up and down is extremely fiddly.

Dunno if that's more pressing for me personally but yeah, all part of the general small gui refinements that could be made....

I don't think you understand why it's useful. Steppolyarp can switch patterns depending on the value of cc 21. It plays patterns 1-16 depending on the value of 0-15. If we could chose precisely what value each step is we could basically have master song mode instances running at much slower speeds triggering pattern changes for other instances. Basically making step poly arp the only sequencer you need in aum. In the current implementation it's extremely difficult to set precise values per step.

That sounds interesting

I've already posted videos of this experiment earlier. Just setting the precise cc values is annoying currently since we don't even get a popup mentioning the current value.

Yeah I can see your point here.

Also. I’ve discussed before having a ‘timeline’ AU to trigger other midi and audio AUs, but to have a polyrhythmic timeline with easy change of key would be great.

i actually edited the post to show the actual timeline pattern shifting. check it out. basically. with 16 patterns with 32 steps per pattern.... running them at 1 step per bar you can basically do entire tracks. the only thing missing is an easier method to input the value for the cc per step.

It’s food for thought for the developer. Anything that can expand use of an app could help sales long term. If it doesn’t happen with this app though, I do think it’s only time before others click on to the AU timeline / arp / sequencer idea. There really is a myriad of possibilities just waiting to be tapped with AU midi apps

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@gonekrazy3000 said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@gonekrazy3000 said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@gonekrazy3000 said:

@Dawdles said:

@gonekrazy3000 said:
To be fair. A more pressing feature request is to let us enter precise values per step into the cc automation area. Just sliding up and down is extremely fiddly.

Dunno if that's more pressing for me personally but yeah, all part of the general small gui refinements that could be made....

I don't think you understand why it's useful. Steppolyarp can switch patterns depending on the value of cc 21. It plays patterns 1-16 depending on the value of 0-15. If we could chose precisely what value each step is we could basically have master song mode instances running at much slower speeds triggering pattern changes for other instances. Basically making step poly arp the only sequencer you need in aum. In the current implementation it's extremely difficult to set precise values per step.

That sounds interesting

I've already posted videos of this experiment earlier. Just setting the precise cc values is annoying currently since we don't even get a popup mentioning the current value.

Yeah I can see your point here.

Also. I’ve discussed before having a ‘timeline’ AU to trigger other midi and audio AUs, but to have a polyrhythmic timeline with easy change of key would be great.

i actually edited the post to show the actual timeline pattern shifting. check it out. basically. with 16 patterns with 32 steps per pattern.... running them at 1 step per bar you can basically do entire tracks. the only thing missing is an easier method to input the value for the cc per step.

It’s food for thought for the developer. Anything that can expand use of an app could help sales long term. If it doesn’t happen with this app though, I do think it’s only time before others click on to the AU timeline / arp / sequencer idea. There really is a myriad of possibilities just waiting to be tapped with AU midi apps

Thing is though, Literally that 1 single addition vastly increases its usability. For now I’ve found a workaround using midiSTEPs as a cc sender. Midisteps clearly lets you chose a particular value of a cc per step. And Since it can send upto 2 cc per step per sequencer you can do some pretty complicated things with it specially since you can make it move to the next step only when it receives midi from the master steppolyarp. To be honest I’d KILL for a midiSTEPs au that can send out cc.

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@gonekrazy3000 said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@gonekrazy3000 said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@gonekrazy3000 said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@gonekrazy3000 said:

@Dawdles said:

@gonekrazy3000 said:
To be fair. A more pressing feature request is to let us enter precise values per step into the cc automation area. Just sliding up and down is extremely fiddly.

Dunno if that's more pressing for me personally but yeah, all part of the general small gui refinements that could be made....

I don't think you understand why it's useful. Steppolyarp can switch patterns depending on the value of cc 21. It plays patterns 1-16 depending on the value of 0-15. If we could chose precisely what value each step is we could basically have master song mode instances running at much slower speeds triggering pattern changes for other instances. Basically making step poly arp the only sequencer you need in aum. In the current implementation it's extremely difficult to set precise values per step.

That sounds interesting

I've already posted videos of this experiment earlier. Just setting the precise cc values is annoying currently since we don't even get a popup mentioning the current value.

Yeah I can see your point here.

Also. I’ve discussed before having a ‘timeline’ AU to trigger other midi and audio AUs, but to have a polyrhythmic timeline with easy change of key would be great.

i actually edited the post to show the actual timeline pattern shifting. check it out. basically. with 16 patterns with 32 steps per pattern.... running them at 1 step per bar you can basically do entire tracks. the only thing missing is an easier method to input the value for the cc per step.

It’s food for thought for the developer. Anything that can expand use of an app could help sales long term. If it doesn’t happen with this app though, I do think it’s only time before others click on to the AU timeline / arp / sequencer idea. There really is a myriad of possibilities just waiting to be tapped with AU midi apps

Thing is though, Literally that 1 single addition vastly increases its usability. For now I’ve found a workaround using midiSTEPs as a cc sender. Midisteps clearly lets you chose a particular value of a cc per step. And Since it can send upto 2 cc per step per sequencer you can do some pretty complicated things with it specially since you can make it move to the next step only when it receives midi from the master steppolyarp. To be honest I’d KILL for a midiSTEPs au that can send out cc.

Yep exciting times though. Yep an AU midiSTEPs (obviously just the sequencer part without the host). Let’s call the dev up and get him a stash of coffee

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Adding AU in most cases is going to be very small coding work compared to building an app from scratch.

Why do you assume this? Hint: it’s more often than not a lot of work, even if the app looks to same to the end-user.

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AFAIK spa doesn’t allow enetering notes with a midi controller. That really hampers my workflow(using a midi controller to enter note data, record sequences, etc)

However, there’s a hidden gem that does AU midi sequencing that you probably already own: BEATHAWK.

I had a jam sesh going with a midi sequence recorded to each pad, and each pad going to a different midi channel/AUM channel/instrument. Tell each channel on AUM to only listen to the corresponding midi channel on the pad you want to record onto.

I might try to make a tutorial video later.

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@ion677 said:
AFAIK spa doesn’t allow enetering notes with a midi controller. That really hampers my workflow(using a midi controller to enter note data, record sequences, etc)

However, there’s a hidden gem that does AU midi sequencing that you probably already own: BEATHAWK.

I had a jam sesh going with a midi sequence recorded to each pad, and each pad going to a different midi channel/AUM channel/instrument. Tell each channel on AUM to only listen to the corresponding midi channel on the pad you want to record onto.

I might try to make a tutorial video later.

Good idea! Are you finding BH stable now?

ion677

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@ion677 said:
AFAIK spa doesn’t allow enetering notes with a midi controller. That really hampers my workflow(using a midi controller to enter note data, record sequences, etc)

However, there’s a hidden gem that does AU midi sequencing that you probably already own: BEATHAWK.

I had a jam sesh going with a midi sequence recorded to each pad, and each pad going to a different midi channel/AUM channel/instrument. Tell each channel on AUM to only listen to the corresponding midi channel on the pad you want to record onto.

I might try to make a tutorial video later.

Good idea! Are you finding BH stable now?

Yes, especially as au. BM3 and beathawk now get along much better, now that midi settings are saved between sessions.

wim

BeatHawk is a great AU step sequencer option IMO. I lean to it much more than SPA for sequencing.

I haven't tried it for recording midi input. This idea just occurred to me and I wish I wasn't at work right now so I could try it out.

In all the talk of an AU piano roll, I don't hear the recording side of it mentioned much. To me that's almost as important as the sequencer itself. We have all these fantastic midi generators now, but I almost always want the ability to capture, then modify snippits of their output. I do this in Cubasis now, but would love to have it rolled up in something quicker like AUM or apeMatrix. By recording, I mean recording of all automation data in addition to notes.

But ... enough derailment of this SPA thread. I'll stop there.

gonekrazy3000

@wim said:
BeatHawk is a great AU step sequencer option IMO. I lean to it much more than SPA for sequencing.

I haven't tried it for recording midi input. This idea just occurred to me and I wish I wasn't at work right now so I could try it out.

In all the talk of an AU piano roll, I don't hear the recording side of it mentioned much. To me that's almost as important as the sequencer itself. We have all these fantastic midi generators now, but I almost always want the ability to capture, then modify snippits of their output. I do this in Cubasis now, but would love to have it rolled up in something quicker like AUM or apeMatrix. By recording, I mean recording of all automation data in addition to notes.

But ... enough derailment of this SPA thread. I'll stop there.

....can beathawk send midi out to other tracks in aum ?

wim

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....can beathawk send midi out to other tracks in aum ?

Yes.