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iPhone Music Making App Future: Is there one?

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  • ToMessToMess

    @Audiojunkie said:

    @ToMess said:

    @wim said:

    @ToMess said:
    People are forgetting that bm3 will be released to iphones and completely change the game?

    Nah, it’s just that those of us over 40 figure we’ll be too old to care by then.

    Hope not :D As intua has told quite a while ago, they want to get ipad version to the point that they can release it to multiple platforms without having to push out big release right away after multiplatform release. And was supposed to release the iphone version months ago. I bet they are just waiting for the next big update.

    I’ll bet they aren’t. I signed up as an iPhone-exclusive beta tester back in 2016. To date, I’ve seen exactly 0 beta versions to test. As of right now, the iPhone version, in my eyes, is vaporware. The last time I made a comment like this one, I was privately emailed, told I was being unprofessional, and was assured that BM3 for iPhone is still very much an intended product. I can see where they are coming from, but they need to see where we are coming from: I’ve been waiting for over 2 years to see a single beta! I am unable at this time to show any enthusiasm for a non-existent product that I may not live long enough to see released. So when others joke about us 40+ year-olds being concerned that we may never see it, it’s not a joke.

    Okay. My impression is that the phone version wont need much testing since the core can run on same code than ipad version(UI is different only)

  • AudiojunkieAudiojunkie

    @ToMess said:

    @Audiojunkie said:

    @ToMess said:

    @wim said:

    @ToMess said:
    People are forgetting that bm3 will be released to iphones and completely change the game?

    Nah, it’s just that those of us over 40 figure we’ll be too old to care by then.

    Hope not :D As intua has told quite a while ago, they want to get ipad version to the point that they can release it to multiple platforms without having to push out big release right away after multiplatform release. And was supposed to release the iphone version months ago. I bet they are just waiting for the next big update.

    I’ll bet they aren’t. I signed up as an iPhone-exclusive beta tester back in 2016. To date, I’ve seen exactly 0 beta versions to test. As of right now, the iPhone version, in my eyes, is vaporware. The last time I made a comment like this one, I was privately emailed, told I was being unprofessional, and was assured that BM3 for iPhone is still very much an intended product. I can see where they are coming from, but they need to see where we are coming from: I’ve been waiting for over 2 years to see a single beta! I am unable at this time to show any enthusiasm for a non-existent product that I may not live long enough to see released. So when others joke about us 40+ year-olds being concerned that we may never see it, it’s not a joke.

    Okay. My impression is that the phone version wont need much testing since the core can run on same code than ipad version(UI is different only)

    Maybe so. One can only hope. But I’ve been hoping since 2016, and a lot happens in the industry in two years. I’m not getting any younger.

  • brambosbrambos

    @ToMess said:
    (UI is different only)

    Which happens to usually be the most complicated, time-consuming, test-heavy and error-prone part of an app :)

  • oat_phippsoat_phipps

    My phone has been reduced to mere idea box. I carry apeMatrix, the Moogs, Zeeon, everything brambos, and ChordPolyPad/StepPoly Arp.

    I still get some good snippets out of it though, usually while in a waiting room or when riding (not driving)

  • u0421793u0421793

    The thing I’ll say on this topic is this. It isn’t a technical aspect, it’s a situational aspect.

    I’ve had an iPad 2 since 2011 and did a fair amount of music on it, one instrument at a time, recording into one track at a time, and then moving it over to the Mac. I’ve also only ever had android phones, and like other android phone owners, had never paid for an app of any sort. When I bought my big iPad Pro I thought I’d be making more music, more instruments at once, more tracks into some sort of recorder on the iPad itself. I also got rid of my MacBook Pro at the same time (but retained my desktop Mac(s)). What actually happened was that I simply didn’t use the iPad Pro to make even a single note of music. It became the substitute for my MacBook in terms of browsing the web, but very little else. No music at all got made. None. I even bought a Circuit to look at, thinking that was what was needed (hm, that reminds me – I actually own a Circuit. I’d forgotten).

    Since last summer I’ve now been working in a job and taking the train for over an hour across London x2 each day. I bought SnuVox and also used the basic Beatonal, on Android, and got into the habit of doing some sort of creation / output on the train, not just input / consumption. Over the winter, near christmas and my birthday I bought my first ever iPhone (a 256GB iPhone 8 Plus). Suddenly the productivity shot up. I settled back into Gadget, as the rest of the app system requires a level of stringing together that isn’t making music.

    Since the beginning of this year I’ve created an album on my iPhone. The final vocal line melody was worked out by having a Bilbao set of samples of my own voice singing ‘baa’ through the chromatic scale. It worked quite well.

    The creation was done on the iPhone, up to as finished a stage as necessary. The real vocals and final mixdown and mastering are all over on the Mac, in LPX (as there’s no sensible way of going either from Gadget to elsewhere on iOS, or from anywhere on iOS into Auria – it’s just far less hassle to use LPX on my Mac – it is indisputably top quality, I already have it and I understand it well). The point at which I moved over to the Mac was after I had considered the songs finished, in other words, after the point at which no further compositional changes are allowed. At that point I just treat LPX and the work on the Mac as an appliance, or as a separate studio process as if I’m someone else doing it.

    The point is, though, that the tracks would never have been created and finished in such a production-workflow manner were it not for a] commuting, b] an iPhone (standing up in a train, hence, iPad not feasible) and c] Gadget being so self-contained. Even the lyrics were done on the iPhone, in Pages.

  • Nu2moroNu2moro

    We used to get by with an lcd screen as big as you finger! 🤣
    You don’t need to see every thing at once?!

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton
    edited July 2018

    @RUST( i )K said:

    @AndyPlankton said:
    For a phone to be as useable as an iPad for music it will take a UI design that suits both large and small screens, that is definitely a massive challenge and only the most dedicated dev will make that effort.
    Phones are by quite a huge margin the most populous machines, unless this breakthrough in UI is made then music making will never have as much weight with the manufacturers as a photo filter app.
    As I don’t have an iPhone I do not know which apps work well on a phone, anyone care to share thoughts on apps that allow you to make decent music with lots of control, synths, mixing environment, song building etc...that work on a phone without being fiddly due to tiny controls or lots of screen switching?

    Elastic Drums
    Flux Pad
    Caustic
    TC11
    TricTrac
    iElectribe
    Bassline
    Modrum
    LP5
    Animoog
    Sabre
    Spacecraft
    Take
    TF8
    Cross DJ
    Remix Live
    Blocs

    I also like using phone as a mic unit with into mixer or just to record vocals.

    @u0421793 said:
    The thing I’ll say on this topic is this. It isn’t a technical aspect, it’s a situational aspect.

    I’ve had an iPad 2 since 2011 and did a fair amount of music on it, one instrument at a time, recording into one track at a time, and then moving it over to the Mac. I’ve also only ever had android phones, and like other android phone owners, had never paid for an app of any sort. When I bought my big iPad Pro I thought I’d be making more music, more instruments at once, more tracks into some sort of recorder on the iPad itself. I also got rid of my MacBook Pro at the same time (but retained my desktop Mac(s)). What actually happened was that I simply didn’t use the iPad Pro to make even a single note of music. It became the substitute for my MacBook in terms of browsing the web, but very little else. No music at all got made. None. I even bought a Circuit to look at, thinking that was what was needed (hm, that reminds me – I actually own a Circuit. I’d forgotten).

    Since last summer I’ve now been working in a job and taking the train for over an hour across London x2 each day. I bought SnuVox and also used the basic Beatonal, on Android, and got into the habit of doing some sort of creation / output on the train, not just input / consumption. Over the winter, near christmas and my birthday I bought my first ever iPhone (a 256GB iPhone 8 Plus). Suddenly the productivity shot up. I settled back into Gadget, as the rest of the app system requires a level of stringing together that isn’t making music.

    Since the beginning of this year I’ve created an album on my iPhone. The final vocal line melody was worked out by having a Bilbao set of samples of my own voice singing ‘baa’ through the chromatic scale. It worked quite well.

    The creation was done on the iPhone, up to as finished a stage as necessary. The real vocals and final mixdown and mastering are all over on the Mac, in LPX (as there’s no sensible way of going either from Gadget to elsewhere on iOS, or from anywhere on iOS into Auria – it’s just far less hassle to use LPX on my Mac – it is indisputably top quality, I already have it and I understand it well). The point at which I moved over to the Mac was after I had considered the songs finished, in other words, after the point at which no further compositional changes are allowed. At that point I just treat LPX and the work on the Mac as an appliance, or as a separate studio process as if I’m someone else doing it.

    The point is, though, that the tracks would never have been created and finished in such a production-workflow manner were it not for a] commuting, b] an iPhone (standing up in a train, hence, iPad not feasible) and c] Gadget being so self-contained. Even the lyrics were done on the iPhone, in Pages.

    Stop it ! You are making me want to go and get an iPhone :D

  • PhilWPhilW

    I went the other way to some on here. I started with an iPad 2 and also had an iPhone, but I never really used the iPhone for music as the interface was too small for me. I now have a larger iPad Pro and love the extra screen space, and i went Android on my last phone upgrade and have not missed having an Apple phone, in fact there are aspects such as being able to add memory so that I have my whole music collection on my phone that I love and wasn’t an option on the iPhone. Horses for courses!

  • ToMessToMess

    @brambos said:

    @ToMess said:
    (UI is different only)

    Which happens to usually be the most complicated, time-consuming, test-heavy and error-prone part of an app :)

    Interesting. I thought its the easiest part

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited July 2018

    Similar struggle like @u0421793...

    Now with windows desktop (after 3 years since I’ve sold my mac mini without feeling any guilt) I can export into Live from Blocs... includding my iPhone version. No need for nothing else in beatmaking terms. For live gigging I’m wondering make me a looper with the iPhone or even sell my mini/itrack dock combo and buy a Rc505 now they are cheap (409€ new) and continue growing the standalone hardware family and embrace the monstroucity size of iPhone plus series as a replacement for iPad. I’m not going to miss any critical app since iOS isn’t suitable me for live gigging anymore...

  • JanosaxJanosax
    edited July 2018

    New iPhone 6.5 will have bigger screen than iPhone 8 Plus with similar size. iPad mini is 7.9, we’re getting close :D

    https://www.google.fr/amp/s/www.macrumors.com/2018/05/07/2018-6-5-inch-iphone-size/amp/?source=images

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

  • mannixmannix
    edited July 2018

    Just my personal opinion. I had a iPhone 7 Plus but just found it to large and heavy as my mobile to carry it always around, so switched back to an iPhone SE. The large iPhone have no future for me, an phone should be easily carried around and be not to big. BTW hardly use my iPhone for making music, this has also to do with the development and UI music apps nowadays use, they are in most cases scaled down versions of iPad apps. So everything will be just to small too handle on the smaller phones. I would rather see a new version of the iPad mini.

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    Just found this video on music software UI design, uses reason as it's example but has some very enlightening information in there. There is more to come from this as it is the first in a series, there is a shot of launchpad app in the intro so perhaps iOS is coming later, if you're interested in this stuff it would be worth a watch.

  • lukesleepwalkerlukesleepwalker

    I think there are probably many like @u0421793 out there in the commuting world... There is so much power in habit and I admire anyone who can turn commuting into productive time. I still think there is a place for an app that will nail the iPhone workflow for mobile music making. I don't have a long commute but I find myself when I'm out/about with time to kill--waiting for an oil change, etc. These are the times when I'd love an iPhone-centered music making experience that just does the stuff I want to do on the go--not a full-featured DAW! Just give me the ability to quickly/easily come up with little bits and bobs that I can put together later. And not just MIDI based sequences--get a real sampler in there, audio recording, etc.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @mannix said:
    Just my personal opinion. I had a iPhone 7plus but just found it to large and heavy as my mobile to carry it always around, so switched back to an iPhone SE. The large iPhone have no future for me, an phone should be easily carried around and be not to big. BTW hardly use my iPhone for making music, this has also to do with the development and UI music apps nowadays use, they are in most cases scaled down version of iPad apps. SO everything will be just to smaal too handle on the smaller phones. I would rather see a new version of the iPad mini.

    That’s my fear... I’m iPhone 5s & iPad mini4 user... and probably (after check in my hands) larger iPhone user and another iGadget dropped from my arsenal (iPad)...

    In 3 years I will be using xiaomi... I can seen it...

  • erosseross

    i wish all
    apps could be universal. IOS music making is not dead. I think i use my iphone more than my ipad, just because it’s always with me. To me it’s just a link in a chain, that leads to my desktop daw Cubase
    or abelton live.
    usually i get a seed of an idea, and sketch it out on my iphone. Or make small little samples, and dropbox them. that can later go to my ipad or desktop Daw for further refinement, and integration into an entire track.
    Sometimes if i have a intresting fx chain built in my phone, I will send audio out of Cubase( desktop Daw) through my iconnect midi 2+ and through my phone, and then record that back in my desktop Daw.

  • ToMessToMess

    @Janosax said:
    New iPhone 6.5 will have bigger screen than iPhone 8 Plus with similar size. iPad mini is 7.9, we’re getting close :D

    https://www.google.fr/amp/s/www.macrumors.com/2018/05/07/2018-6-5-inch-iphone-size/amp/?source=images

    I would even take a nokia windows phone over something with face id and no finger scanner and stupid screen shape like that..

  • erosseross

    @ToMess said:
    People are forgetting that bm3 will be released to iphones and completely change the game?

    wait what? when is this? that would be a game changer for sure

  • ToMessToMess

    @eross said:

    @ToMess said:
    People are forgetting that bm3 will be released to iphones and completely change the game?

    wait what? when is this? that would be a game changer for sure

    They said Q2 somewhere beginning of this year and havent heard any news since :/

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    @ToMess said:

    @Janosax said:
    New iPhone 6.5 will have bigger screen than iPhone 8 Plus with similar size. iPad mini is 7.9, we’re getting close :D

    https://www.google.fr/amp/s/www.macrumors.com/2018/05/07/2018-6-5-inch-iphone-size/amp/?source=images

    I would even take a nokia windows phone over something with face id and no finger scanner and stupid screen shape like that..

    The screen shape allows the notification icons (battery, wifi etc) to go alongside the camera and speaker, meaning they do not take up space in the usable part of the screen.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited July 2018

    NanoStudio 2, Moog apps and iPhone = ultimate mobile music production.
    Everything bigger = Logic Pro on mac
    Means iPhone + macbook pro = makes me happy :)
    The iPad is still the fish for me and i can´t really work with it. But maybe the next generations will have something better to offer. But even if they again double the RAM and CPU and GPU it doesn´t change that the tools are more important.

  • paradiddleparadiddle

    I'm sure some of you heared that but what about the fact that Apple apparantly wanna remove every port on the iphone on the longterm. I guess bye-bye audio cards, Irigs and stuff like that. If that's the case that is.

  • ToMessToMess

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @ToMess said:

    @Janosax said:
    New iPhone 6.5 will have bigger screen than iPhone 8 Plus with similar size. iPad mini is 7.9, we’re getting close :D

    https://www.google.fr/amp/s/www.macrumors.com/2018/05/07/2018-6-5-inch-iphone-size/amp/?source=images

    I would even take a nokia windows phone over something with face id and no finger scanner and stupid screen shape like that..

    The screen shape allows the notification icons (battery, wifi etc) to go alongside the camera and speaker, meaning they do not take up space in the usable part of the screen.

    Its useless for me as i dont want some ai surveilance on my face everytime i want to unlock my phone, not to mention its extremely inconvient compared to fingerprint. Even pin code > facecrap. Its sad that apple is trying to(again) force some idiot technology because its new

  • erosseross

    @ToMess said:

    @eross said:

    @ToMess said:
    People are forgetting that bm3 will be released to iphones and completely change the game?

    wait what? when is this? that would be a game changer for sure

    They said Q2 somewhere beginning of this year and havent heard any news since :/

    Intresting. I wonder if this is the game changer dough front the soundtest room was hinting at the other day?

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @ToMess said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @ToMess said:

    @Janosax said:
    New iPhone 6.5 will have bigger screen than iPhone 8 Plus with similar size. iPad mini is 7.9, we’re getting close :D

    https://www.google.fr/amp/s/www.macrumors.com/2018/05/07/2018-6-5-inch-iphone-size/amp/?source=images

    I would even take a nokia windows phone over something with face id and no finger scanner and stupid screen shape like that..

    The screen shape allows the notification icons (battery, wifi etc) to go alongside the camera and speaker, meaning they do not take up space in the usable part of the screen.

    Its useless for me as i dont want some ai surveilance on my face everytime i want to unlock my phone, not to mention its extremely inconvient compared to fingerprint. Even pin code > facecrap. Its sad that apple is trying to(again) force some idiot technology because its new

    Yes and while they would just cut your finger.....now they take your face :D

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    @Cib said:

    @ToMess said:

    @AndyPlankton said:

    @ToMess said:

    @Janosax said:
    New iPhone 6.5 will have bigger screen than iPhone 8 Plus with similar size. iPad mini is 7.9, we’re getting close :D

    https://www.google.fr/amp/s/www.macrumors.com/2018/05/07/2018-6-5-inch-iphone-size/amp/?source=images

    I would even take a nokia windows phone over something with face id and no finger scanner and stupid screen shape like that..

    The screen shape allows the notification icons (battery, wifi etc) to go alongside the camera and speaker, meaning they do not take up space in the usable part of the screen.

    Its useless for me as i dont want some ai surveilance on my face everytime i want to unlock my phone, not to mention its extremely inconvient compared to fingerprint. Even pin code > facecrap. Its sad that apple is trying to(again) force some idiot technology because its new

    Yes and while they would just cut your finger.....now they take your face :D

    Face peeling is a thing you know :D

  • 3sleeves3sleeves

    Nanostudio on the iPod Touch was extremely useful to me years ago, ThumbJam as well.
    BeatMaker was never very intuitive to me until version 3, and I can’t imagine this version being practical at that screen size...too many page scrolls and zooming in/out to be able to edit anything with ease.
    The iPhone is always going to be handy for field recording, sampling, looping and fx processing.
    Until the iPhone supports the Pencil I can’t see much sense in making a lot of apps universal, not just music apps either.

  • PanthemusicalgoatPanthemusicalgoat

    @paradiddle said:
    I'm sure some of you heared that but what about the fact that Apple apparantly wanna remove every port on the iphone on the longterm. I guess bye-bye audio cards, Irigs and stuff like that. If that's the case that is.

    Why don't they just remove the screen and make it audio only. That screen is really taking up a lot of space that could be used for something else. Actually maybe remove the speakers too. No power button either please. Really clunky having to power it on. Same goes for volume buttons. I want my future brick to be water proof and not be able to connect to anything.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @Panthemusicalgoat said:

    @paradiddle said:
    I'm sure some of you heared that but what about the fact that Apple apparantly wanna remove every port on the iphone on the longterm. I guess bye-bye audio cards, Irigs and stuff like that. If that's the case that is.

    Why don't they just remove the screen and make it audio only. That screen is really taking up a lot of space that could be used for something else. Actually maybe remove the speakers too. No power button either please. Really clunky having to power it on. Same goes for volume buttons. I want my future brick to be water proof and not be able to connect to anything.

    Jokes aside... if you get all the things Apple is removing and put them in another product... raspberry pi, tadá!

    If just Apple will release an embed platform supporting apps... :tired_face:

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