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AudioLayer by VirSyn - The mobile Sampling Solution for iOS

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  • gusgranitegusgranite
    edited August 2018

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @Carnbot said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:
    I have found that the sexy apps around here that drive manic threads are the innovative Starcraft types. AudioLayer has some innovations under the hood but at its heart it is a workhorse tool. I measure success with these types of apps by how often I open them. In the case of AL, it's just about every day. That's a winner.

    That said, I hope @VirSyn can figure out the local storage thing because the way iCloud currently works is driving me nuts. Great that everything syncs across devices but maddening to wait for the files to download from the cloud to use them (even on devices with no storage limitations).

    You don't have to wait if the samples are already on your device, only if downloading from a PC, in which case copy to device first. There's a great little app called local storage which I use to copy files from PC via usb cable and they appear immediately in Files app, ready to transfer to AudioLayer folder. so even for really large amounts of samples it's a quick process.

    I'm actually referring to how iCloud overzealously transfers my all of my AL files (instruments, samples, etc) to the cloud. I have no problem transferring samples or importing. It's that, even in devices where I don't have a storage shortage, iCloud transfers the files from local storage to the cloud (perhaps if I don't use them for a certain span of time?) without me asking for it. In fact I just want them to stay in local storage and sync with the cloud... Perhaps I'm doing this wrong by pulling the files from iCloud vs "on my iPad" folder?

    I don’t get the iCloud either integration. My iCloud is full but AudioLayer says it is still syncing new files?

  • McDtracyMcDtracy

    @gusgranite said:

    @McDtracy said:

    @gusgranite said:
    How do you import SF2 files again?

    Convert them on a Mac using Mainstage or Logic's EXS24 synth and export from that synth.

    Right. I thought they could be imported directly. Thx

    When you look into most SF2's they contain dozens of instruments... typically number according to the General MIDI soundsets of early sound models from Edirol/Roland, Yamaha and Soundblasters/EMU.

    Importing an SF2 and leeting you decide which instruments to import might be a nice feature request to let pure IOS users get these sounds without needing a Mac.

    If there's another path to EXS24 I'd like to know about it. Espcially if a desktop isn't required.

  • RockySmallsRockySmalls

    @VirSyn said:

    @gusgranite said:
    @VirSyn is there anyway to recreate the AudioLayer Files folder without reinstalling? I didn’t think I needed the ESX files anymore once they were imported but now the Files folder has gone too 😬

    With "Load factory instruments" in AL Settings you can recreate the contents + folders.
    Not sure how you lost the AudioLayer folder by trashing the EXS files. Have you looked in the trash if they are there ?
    You can delete the files in the import folder after importing, but you should leave the EXS folder in AudioLayer/samples intact.

    no, I don’t think @gusgranite is asking this, The ‘on my ipad’ files folder really does act strangely.. for instance, I thought I had solved it and managed to make the audiolayer folder appear in the apple files app recently, I am only using local storage and have icloud switched off in the app AND the tick box for the app in icloud settings.
    But today ( for no reason i can figure out ) the audiolayer folder is not visible in the Files app ‘on my ipad’ folder tree.. BUT if i select a selection of wavs in the documents files app folder and click ‘share’ then share to files,, the folder IS visible in that smaller window?? and you can copy the files there it seems! doesn’t make sense?
    the audiolayer folder that I see in files app NEVER has any internal folder structures, just the basic root folder.. so you couldn't erase the exs folder this way at all.
    now, of course, i don’t know how much of this is down to the weird quirks of apples files app and the seeming endless variations in the ways you can interact with it ( sheesh! it doesn’t seem like a standard routine for ANY app at all.. wthigot! )
    @VirSyn is there ANYTHING you can do to make things less frustrating for the basic non-icloud user that wants to use files app to move things around.. or do we have to just stick to the import process that comes with building a new instrument every time?
    it does all seem rather Kafka-esque with this folder deciding to appear in ‘on my ipad’ on a whim or only on dry tuesdays! :)

  • TheOriginalPaulBTheOriginalPaulB

    I have absolutely no problems with downloading to Audioshare and unzipping, then using Files to move the entire folder structure to the AudioLayer folder. Then I just tap the instrument file in Files, AudioLayer starts up and bingo!

  • gusgranitegusgranite

    I’ve totally lost the AudioLayer folder in Files. Even when I reinstall the app. Oops 😬

  • VirSynVirSyn

    @gusgranite Do you use the cloud version or the local one ? The local AudioLayer folder in "On my iPad" is always empty. The only use case for this folder is filling it with exs / wav files for importing.

  • VirSynVirSyn

    @RockySmalls said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @gusgranite said:
    @VirSyn is there anyway to recreate the AudioLayer Files folder without reinstalling? I didn’t think I needed the ESX files anymore once they were imported but now the Files folder has gone too 😬

    With "Load factory instruments" in AL Settings you can recreate the contents + folders.
    Not sure how you lost the AudioLayer folder by trashing the EXS files. Have you looked in the trash if they are there ?
    You can delete the files in the import folder after importing, but you should leave the EXS folder in AudioLayer/samples intact.

    no, I don’t think @gusgranite is asking this, The ‘on my ipad’ files folder really does act strangely.. for instance, I thought I had solved it and managed to make the audiolayer folder appear in the apple files app recently, I am only using local storage and have icloud switched off in the app AND the tick box for the app in icloud settings.
    But today ( for no reason i can figure out ) the audiolayer folder is not visible in the Files app ‘on my ipad’ folder tree.. BUT if i select a selection of wavs in the documents files app folder and click ‘share’ then share to files,, the folder IS visible in that smaller window?? and you can copy the files there it seems! doesn’t make sense?
    the audiolayer folder that I see in files app NEVER has any internal folder structures, just the basic root folder.. so you couldn't erase the exs folder this way at all.
    now, of course, i don’t know how much of this is down to the weird quirks of apples files app and the seeming endless variations in the ways you can interact with it ( sheesh! it doesn’t seem like a standard routine for ANY app at all.. wthigot! )
    @VirSyn is there ANYTHING you can do to make things less frustrating for the basic non-icloud user that wants to use files app to move things around.. or do we have to just stick to the import process that comes with building a new instrument every time?
    it does all seem rather Kafka-esque with this folder deciding to appear in ‘on my ipad’ on a whim or only on dry tuesdays! :)

    The basic problem is that if i enable the local AudioLayer folder in the Files App that you can see the instruments/samples there then there is no longer a connection to the AUv3 versions of AL. They have then different folders where they get there data. I know this seems weird that this is totally different to the cloud version. I can only assume that Apple has done it this way for security reason, but can't tell for sure.
    What i'm currently investigate is if it's feasible to write our own syncing mechanism between the local file folder of the stand alone and the group folder of the AUv3. But here the problem may be that we need double the space as in the cloud version...

  • lukesleepwalkerlukesleepwalker

    @VirSyn said:

    @RockySmalls said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @gusgranite said:
    @VirSyn is there anyway to recreate the AudioLayer Files folder without reinstalling? I didn’t think I needed the ESX files anymore once they were imported but now the Files folder has gone too 😬

    With "Load factory instruments" in AL Settings you can recreate the contents + folders.
    Not sure how you lost the AudioLayer folder by trashing the EXS files. Have you looked in the trash if they are there ?
    You can delete the files in the import folder after importing, but you should leave the EXS folder in AudioLayer/samples intact.

    no, I don’t think @gusgranite is asking this, The ‘on my ipad’ files folder really does act strangely.. for instance, I thought I had solved it and managed to make the audiolayer folder appear in the apple files app recently, I am only using local storage and have icloud switched off in the app AND the tick box for the app in icloud settings.
    But today ( for no reason i can figure out ) the audiolayer folder is not visible in the Files app ‘on my ipad’ folder tree.. BUT if i select a selection of wavs in the documents files app folder and click ‘share’ then share to files,, the folder IS visible in that smaller window?? and you can copy the files there it seems! doesn’t make sense?
    the audiolayer folder that I see in files app NEVER has any internal folder structures, just the basic root folder.. so you couldn't erase the exs folder this way at all.
    now, of course, i don’t know how much of this is down to the weird quirks of apples files app and the seeming endless variations in the ways you can interact with it ( sheesh! it doesn’t seem like a standard routine for ANY app at all.. wthigot! )
    @VirSyn is there ANYTHING you can do to make things less frustrating for the basic non-icloud user that wants to use files app to move things around.. or do we have to just stick to the import process that comes with building a new instrument every time?
    it does all seem rather Kafka-esque with this folder deciding to appear in ‘on my ipad’ on a whim or only on dry tuesdays! :)

    The basic problem is that if i enable the local AudioLayer folder in the Files App that you can see the instruments/samples there then there is no longer a connection to the AUv3 versions of AL. They have then different folders where they get there data. I know this seems weird that this is totally different to the cloud version. I can only assume that Apple has done it this way for security reason, but can't tell for sure.
    What i'm currently investigate is if it's feasible to write our own syncing mechanism between the local file folder of the stand alone and the group folder of the AUv3. But here the problem may be that we need double the space as in the cloud version...

    @VirSyn said:

    @RockySmalls said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @gusgranite said:
    @VirSyn is there anyway to recreate the AudioLayer Files folder without reinstalling? I didn’t think I needed the ESX files anymore once they were imported but now the Files folder has gone too 😬

    With "Load factory instruments" in AL Settings you can recreate the contents + folders.
    Not sure how you lost the AudioLayer folder by trashing the EXS files. Have you looked in the trash if they are there ?
    You can delete the files in the import folder after importing, but you should leave the EXS folder in AudioLayer/samples intact.

    no, I don’t think @gusgranite is asking this, The ‘on my ipad’ files folder really does act strangely.. for instance, I thought I had solved it and managed to make the audiolayer folder appear in the apple files app recently, I am only using local storage and have icloud switched off in the app AND the tick box for the app in icloud settings.
    But today ( for no reason i can figure out ) the audiolayer folder is not visible in the Files app ‘on my ipad’ folder tree.. BUT if i select a selection of wavs in the documents files app folder and click ‘share’ then share to files,, the folder IS visible in that smaller window?? and you can copy the files there it seems! doesn’t make sense?
    the audiolayer folder that I see in files app NEVER has any internal folder structures, just the basic root folder.. so you couldn't erase the exs folder this way at all.
    now, of course, i don’t know how much of this is down to the weird quirks of apples files app and the seeming endless variations in the ways you can interact with it ( sheesh! it doesn’t seem like a standard routine for ANY app at all.. wthigot! )
    @VirSyn is there ANYTHING you can do to make things less frustrating for the basic non-icloud user that wants to use files app to move things around.. or do we have to just stick to the import process that comes with building a new instrument every time?
    it does all seem rather Kafka-esque with this folder deciding to appear in ‘on my ipad’ on a whim or only on dry tuesdays! :)

    The basic problem is that if i enable the local AudioLayer folder in the Files App that you can see the instruments/samples there then there is no longer a connection to the AUv3 versions of AL. They have then different folders where they get there data. I know this seems weird that this is totally different to the cloud version. I can only assume that Apple has done it this way for security reason, but can't tell for sure.
    What i'm currently investigate is if it's feasible to write our own syncing mechanism between the local file folder of the stand alone and the group folder of the AUv3. But here the problem may be that we need double the space as in the cloud version...

    Yikes, really no easy answers here. It's too bad Apple can't get iCloud right... It'd be so elegant if they would just give the user more control over local/cloud storage options.

  • RockySmallsRockySmalls

    @VirSyn said:

    @RockySmalls said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @gusgranite said:
    @VirSyn is there anyway to recreate the AudioLayer Files folder without reinstalling? I didn’t think I needed the ESX files anymore once they were imported but now the Files folder has gone too 😬

    With "Load factory instruments" in AL Settings you can recreate the contents + folders.
    Not sure how you lost the AudioLayer folder by trashing the EXS files. Have you looked in the trash if they are there ?
    You can delete the files in the import folder after importing, but you should leave the EXS folder in AudioLayer/samples intact.

    no, I don’t think @gusgranite is asking this, The ‘on my ipad’ files folder really does act strangely.. for instance, I thought I had solved it and managed to make the audiolayer folder appear in the apple files app recently, I am only using local storage and have icloud switched off in the app AND the tick box for the app in icloud settings.
    But today ( for no reason i can figure out ) the audiolayer folder is not visible in the Files app ‘on my ipad’ folder tree.. BUT if i select a selection of wavs in the documents files app folder and click ‘share’ then share to files,, the folder IS visible in that smaller window?? and you can copy the files there it seems! doesn’t make sense?
    the audiolayer folder that I see in files app NEVER has any internal folder structures, just the basic root folder.. so you couldn't erase the exs folder this way at all.
    now, of course, i don’t know how much of this is down to the weird quirks of apples files app and the seeming endless variations in the ways you can interact with it ( sheesh! it doesn’t seem like a standard routine for ANY app at all.. wthigot! )
    @VirSyn is there ANYTHING you can do to make things less frustrating for the basic non-icloud user that wants to use files app to move things around.. or do we have to just stick to the import process that comes with building a new instrument every time?
    it does all seem rather Kafka-esque with this folder deciding to appear in ‘on my ipad’ on a whim or only on dry tuesdays! :)

    The basic problem is that if i enable the local AudioLayer folder in the Files App that you can see the instruments/samples there then there is no longer a connection to the AUv3 versions of AL. They have then different folders where they get there data. I know this seems weird that this is totally different to the cloud version. I can only assume that Apple has done it this way for security reason, but can't tell for sure.
    What i'm currently investigate is if it's feasible to write our own syncing mechanism between the local file folder of the stand alone and the group folder of the AUv3. But here the problem may be that we need double the space as in the cloud version...

    yes, i see, that does seem like a rather sticky conundrum!
    is it a possibility that a solution for none icloud users ( well it might be useful for everybody actually ) that we get more “open in” options for import, ie: a good old fashioned zip file with the instrument and samples or just a zip file of samples, named correctly or otherwise ( ie: what comes out of Re-Slice ) that brings up the three panels to choose which way audiolayer assembles the instrument.. might save a lot of hassle trying to engage with apples bureaucratic files app..
    or is that giving up too soon? :)

  • KorakiosKorakios

    I am not a developer but isn’t the camera/photo folder accessible? I tried in the past to save some files in the photo folder for the MobMuPlat app and it worked ....

  • VirSynVirSyn

    @RockySmalls said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @RockySmalls said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @gusgranite said:
    @VirSyn is there anyway to recreate the AudioLayer Files folder without reinstalling? I didn’t think I needed the ESX files anymore once they were imported but now the Files folder has gone too 😬

    With "Load factory instruments" in AL Settings you can recreate the contents + folders.
    Not sure how you lost the AudioLayer folder by trashing the EXS files. Have you looked in the trash if they are there ?
    You can delete the files in the import folder after importing, but you should leave the EXS folder in AudioLayer/samples intact.

    no, I don’t think @gusgranite is asking this, The ‘on my ipad’ files folder really does act strangely.. for instance, I thought I had solved it and managed to make the audiolayer folder appear in the apple files app recently, I am only using local storage and have icloud switched off in the app AND the tick box for the app in icloud settings.
    But today ( for no reason i can figure out ) the audiolayer folder is not visible in the Files app ‘on my ipad’ folder tree.. BUT if i select a selection of wavs in the documents files app folder and click ‘share’ then share to files,, the folder IS visible in that smaller window?? and you can copy the files there it seems! doesn’t make sense?
    the audiolayer folder that I see in files app NEVER has any internal folder structures, just the basic root folder.. so you couldn't erase the exs folder this way at all.
    now, of course, i don’t know how much of this is down to the weird quirks of apples files app and the seeming endless variations in the ways you can interact with it ( sheesh! it doesn’t seem like a standard routine for ANY app at all.. wthigot! )
    @VirSyn is there ANYTHING you can do to make things less frustrating for the basic non-icloud user that wants to use files app to move things around.. or do we have to just stick to the import process that comes with building a new instrument every time?
    it does all seem rather Kafka-esque with this folder deciding to appear in ‘on my ipad’ on a whim or only on dry tuesdays! :)

    The basic problem is that if i enable the local AudioLayer folder in the Files App that you can see the instruments/samples there then there is no longer a connection to the AUv3 versions of AL. They have then different folders where they get there data. I know this seems weird that this is totally different to the cloud version. I can only assume that Apple has done it this way for security reason, but can't tell for sure.
    What i'm currently investigate is if it's feasible to write our own syncing mechanism between the local file folder of the stand alone and the group folder of the AUv3. But here the problem may be that we need double the space as in the cloud version...

    yes, i see, that does seem like a rather sticky conundrum!
    is it a possibility that a solution for none icloud users ( well it might be useful for everybody actually ) that we get more “open in” options for import, ie: a good old fashioned zip file with the instrument and samples or just a zip file of samples, named correctly or otherwise ( ie: what comes out of Re-Slice ) that brings up the three panels to choose which way audiolayer assembles the instrument.. might save a lot of hassle trying to engage with apples bureaucratic files app..
    or is that giving up too soon? :)

    All this "Open in" functions already work also in the local version ! You can import the zip files exported from other user with this method or open wav files, everything what AL can eat...
    But you won't find the imported samples / instrument files anywhere in the Files app. You can only see them inside AL and it's AUv3 extensions.

  • VirSynVirSyn

    @Korakios said:
    I am not a developer but isn’t the camera/photo folder accessible? I tried in the past to save some files in the photo folder for the MobMuPlat app and it worked ....

    The whole problem aires only if an App has an extension ( in this case AudioUnit ) and you want to use the same data for both. Apps without AU can switch without problem between local / iCloud usage without changing the way it works.

  • CarnbotCarnbot

    @VirSyn said:
    The basic problem is that if i enable the local AudioLayer folder in the Files App that you can see the instruments/samples there then there is no longer a connection to the AUv3 versions of AL. They have then different folders where they get there data. I know this seems weird that this is totally different to the cloud version. I can only assume that Apple has done it this way for security reason, but can't tell for sure.
    What i'm currently investigate is if it's feasible to write our own syncing mechanism between the local file folder of the stand alone and the group folder of the AUv3. But here the problem may be that we need double the space as in the cloud version...

    Recently iOs 11 got a new feature called "documents in place" support, or something like that. Which files were read from the original location in Files and saved back there again if necessary. So no copying to the host app folder was required. Is that not possible with the AL engine? I expect luck would mean not, or the AU would not be able to do it or something.

    Affinity Photo updated with this feature, so it's possible with large files. Hoping that audio samples might work with this, but maybe not....

  • SamuSamu

    @Carnbot said:

    Recently iOs 11 got a new feature called "documents in place" support, or something like that. Which files were read from the original location in Files and saved back there again if necessary. So no copying to the host app folder was required. Is that not possible with the AL engine? I expect luck would mean not, or the AU would not be able to do it or something.

    In theory "Documents in Place" sounds nice but think about the extra overhead having to 'request access' for every file every time they are played back? I think that's one of the reasons many developers choose to 'copy' the file instead.

  • VirSynVirSyn

    @Carnbot said:

    @VirSyn said:
    The basic problem is that if i enable the local AudioLayer folder in the Files App that you can see the instruments/samples there then there is no longer a connection to the AUv3 versions of AL. They have then different folders where they get there data. I know this seems weird that this is totally different to the cloud version. I can only assume that Apple has done it this way for security reason, but can't tell for sure.
    What i'm currently investigate is if it's feasible to write our own syncing mechanism between the local file folder of the stand alone and the group folder of the AUv3. But here the problem may be that we need double the space as in the cloud version...

    Recently iOs 11 got a new feature called "documents in place" support, or something like that. Which files were read from the original location in Files and saved back there again if necessary. So no copying to the host app folder was required. Is that not possible with the AL engine? I expect luck would mean not, or the AU would not be able to do it or something.

    Affinity Photo updated with this feature, so it's possible with large files. Hoping that audio samples might work with this, but maybe not....

    Affinity Photo has no extensions ( AUv3 is only one kind of extensions, there are many others too ) and therefore no problem using document in place, but this can't solve the base problem: AUv3 are kind of blackbox in another blackbox (host) and it's hard for them to see any outer lights ;-)

  • VirSynVirSyn

    @Samu said:

    @Carnbot said:

    Recently iOs 11 got a new feature called "documents in place" support, or something like that. Which files were read from the original location in Files and saved back there again if necessary. So no copying to the host app folder was required. Is that not possible with the AL engine? I expect luck would mean not, or the AU would not be able to do it or something.

    In theory "Documents in Place" sounds nice but think about the extra overhead having to 'request access' for every file every time they are played back? I think that's one of the reasons many developers choose to 'copy' the file instead.

    AL has to do this overhead anyway, opening a file in the cloud has not much to do with good old open file. There is really a shitload full of things happening there. But AL always know in advance ( a fraction of a second ) what it needs and then there is no real time problem.

  • CarnbotCarnbot

    @VirSyn said:

    @Carnbot said:

    @VirSyn said:
    The basic problem is that if i enable the local AudioLayer folder in the Files App that you can see the instruments/samples there then there is no longer a connection to the AUv3 versions of AL. They have then different folders where they get there data. I know this seems weird that this is totally different to the cloud version. I can only assume that Apple has done it this way for security reason, but can't tell for sure.
    What i'm currently investigate is if it's feasible to write our own syncing mechanism between the local file folder of the stand alone and the group folder of the AUv3. But here the problem may be that we need double the space as in the cloud version...

    Recently iOs 11 got a new feature called "documents in place" support, or something like that. Which files were read from the original location in Files and saved back there again if necessary. So no copying to the host app folder was required. Is that not possible with the AL engine? I expect luck would mean not, or the AU would not be able to do it or something.

    Affinity Photo updated with this feature, so it's possible with large files. Hoping that audio samples might work with this, but maybe not....

    Affinity Photo has no extensions ( AUv3 is only one kind of extensions, there are many others too ) and therefore no problem using document in place, but this can't solve the base problem: AUv3 are kind of blackbox in another blackbox (host) and it's hard for them to see any outer lights ;-)

    Ah I see what you mean now, so if all hosts also have documents in place support would the AU be able to access the folders, so in theory it could work?..... yet no host have this feature yet.

  • McDtracyMcDtracy

    I'm stuck on the fence considering 2 paths:

    1. Use the local files version to have quick instrument loads
    2. Use light instruments and delete my 1/2GB Piano (it takes 30 minutes or more to re-load from iCloud... too many small zones and layers from 400+ wave files).

    Or this:

    1. Wait for VirSyn to offer a "keep this instrument cached locally" option keeping the iCloud benefit and allow you to opt out for large or critical off-line performance instruments.

    Today, I play with AEMS which has a Salamander Yamaha C5 Piano available vis SF2 import that plays without latency (sorry, BS-16i). I'm testing the Orchestra Soundfont Packs for $12. So, I'm at $19 total with this DAW. There are Loop and more SoundFont IAP's asking for my $'s.

    @VirSyn: SoundFont IAP's leveraging 3rd Party vendors with SF2 or EXS24 products? Loop IAP's?

  • lukesleepwalkerlukesleepwalker

    @McDtracy said:
    I'm stuck on the fence considering 2 paths:

    1. Wait for VirSyn to offer a "keep this instrument cached locally" option keeping the iCloud benefit and allow you to opt out for large or critical off-line performance instruments.

    I guess the key question is whether we accept the "double hit" to local storage in order to accomplish this. I think I'm leaning toward "yes" on this question--although I probably don't have the huge sample libraries that others have.

  • VirSynVirSyn

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @McDtracy said:
    I'm stuck on the fence considering 2 paths:

    1. Wait for VirSyn to offer a "keep this instrument cached locally" option keeping the iCloud benefit and allow you to opt out for large or critical off-line performance instruments.

    I guess the key question is whether we accept the "double hit" to local storage in order to accomplish this. I think I'm leaning toward "yes" on this question--although I probably don't have the huge sample libraries that others have.

    Just came to my mind: in a "manual" way this option is already there.
    Build and manage your instruments/samples with the iCloud version. Then take those you want to have locally and zip them.
    Next you switch AL to local and then opening the zip files via "Open in" will import them into the local folder...

    Maybe a feasible temporary solution ? Its an idea...

  • McDtracyMcDtracy

    @VirSyn said:
    (You can) Build and manage your instruments/samples with the iCloud version. Then take those you want to have locally and zip them.
    Next you switch AL to local and then opening the zip files via "Open in" will import them into the local folder...

    Maybe a feasible temporary solution ? Its an idea...

    Good to know. I'll give it a shot.

  • lukesleepwalkerlukesleepwalker
    edited August 2018

    @VirSyn said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @McDtracy said:
    I'm stuck on the fence considering 2 paths:

    1. Wait for VirSyn to offer a "keep this instrument cached locally" option keeping the iCloud benefit and allow you to opt out for large or critical off-line performance instruments.

    I guess the key question is whether we accept the "double hit" to local storage in order to accomplish this. I think I'm leaning toward "yes" on this question--although I probably don't have the huge sample libraries that others have.

    Just came to my mind: in a "manual" way this option is already there.
    Build and manage your instruments/samples with the iCloud version. Then take those you want to have locally and zip them.
    Next you switch AL to local and then opening the zip files via "Open in" will import them into the local folder...

    Maybe a feasible temporary solution ? Its an idea...

    It does work. It is laborious in that it has to be handled for each instrument/samples separately?

    I'm actually experimenting with airplane mode to see if it "freezes" the files effectively.

  • RockySmallsRockySmalls

    @VirSyn said:

    @RockySmalls said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @RockySmalls said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @gusgranite said:
    @VirSyn is there anyway to recreate the AudioLayer Files folder without reinstalling? I didn’t think I needed the ESX files anymore once they were imported but now the Files folder has gone too 😬

    With "Load factory instruments" in AL Settings you can recreate the contents + folders.
    Not sure how you lost the AudioLayer folder by trashing the EXS files. Have you looked in the trash if they are there ?
    You can delete the files in the import folder after importing, but you should leave the EXS folder in AudioLayer/samples intact.

    no, I don’t think @gusgranite is asking this, The ‘on my ipad’ files folder really does act strangely.. for instance, I thought I had solved it and managed to make the audiolayer folder appear in the apple files app recently, I am only using local storage and have icloud switched off in the app AND the tick box for the app in icloud settings.
    But today ( for no reason i can figure out ) the audiolayer folder is not visible in the Files app ‘on my ipad’ folder tree.. BUT if i select a selection of wavs in the documents files app folder and click ‘share’ then share to files,, the folder IS visible in that smaller window?? and you can copy the files there it seems! doesn’t make sense?
    the audiolayer folder that I see in files app NEVER has any internal folder structures, just the basic root folder.. so you couldn't erase the exs folder this way at all.
    now, of course, i don’t know how much of this is down to the weird quirks of apples files app and the seeming endless variations in the ways you can interact with it ( sheesh! it doesn’t seem like a standard routine for ANY app at all.. wthigot! )
    @VirSyn is there ANYTHING you can do to make things less frustrating for the basic non-icloud user that wants to use files app to move things around.. or do we have to just stick to the import process that comes with building a new instrument every time?
    it does all seem rather Kafka-esque with this folder deciding to appear in ‘on my ipad’ on a whim or only on dry tuesdays! :)

    The basic problem is that if i enable the local AudioLayer folder in the Files App that you can see the instruments/samples there then there is no longer a connection to the AUv3 versions of AL. They have then different folders where they get there data. I know this seems weird that this is totally different to the cloud version. I can only assume that Apple has done it this way for security reason, but can't tell for sure.
    What i'm currently investigate is if it's feasible to write our own syncing mechanism between the local file folder of the stand alone and the group folder of the AUv3. But here the problem may be that we need double the space as in the cloud version...

    yes, i see, that does seem like a rather sticky conundrum!
    is it a possibility that a solution for none icloud users ( well it might be useful for everybody actually ) that we get more “open in” options for import, ie: a good old fashioned zip file with the instrument and samples or just a zip file of samples, named correctly or otherwise ( ie: what comes out of Re-Slice ) that brings up the three panels to choose which way audiolayer assembles the instrument.. might save a lot of hassle trying to engage with apples bureaucratic files app..
    or is that giving up too soon? :)

    All this "Open in" functions already work also in the local version ! You can import the zip files exported from other user with this method or open wav files, everything what AL can eat...
    But you won't find the imported samples / instrument files anywhere in the Files app. You can only see them inside AL and it's AUv3 extensions.

    well, i wish that were true for me. whenever i try ‘open in’ of a zip file ( yes, audiolayer is available in the open in list ) i get an error message “ wrong format”
    I just went back and tried it from yr own app Re-Slice .. exported the zipped wavs , only four in this case , and got the same message, 44khz 16bit wavs I believe.
    Any clue what’s up with that @VirSyn ?

  • VirSynVirSyn
    edited August 2018

    @RockySmalls said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @RockySmalls said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @RockySmalls said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @gusgranite said:
    @VirSyn is there anyway to recreate the AudioLayer Files folder without reinstalling? I didn’t think I needed the ESX files anymore once they were imported but now the Files folder has gone too 😬

    With "Load factory instruments" in AL Settings you can recreate the contents + folders.
    Not sure how you lost the AudioLayer folder by trashing the EXS files. Have you looked in the trash if they are there ?
    You can delete the files in the import folder after importing, but you should leave the EXS folder in AudioLayer/samples intact.

    no, I don’t think @gusgranite is asking this, The ‘on my ipad’ files folder really does act strangely.. for instance, I thought I had solved it and managed to make the audiolayer folder appear in the apple files app recently, I am only using local storage and have icloud switched off in the app AND the tick box for the app in icloud settings.
    But today ( for no reason i can figure out ) the audiolayer folder is not visible in the Files app ‘on my ipad’ folder tree.. BUT if i select a selection of wavs in the documents files app folder and click ‘share’ then share to files,, the folder IS visible in that smaller window?? and you can copy the files there it seems! doesn’t make sense?
    the audiolayer folder that I see in files app NEVER has any internal folder structures, just the basic root folder.. so you couldn't erase the exs folder this way at all.
    now, of course, i don’t know how much of this is down to the weird quirks of apples files app and the seeming endless variations in the ways you can interact with it ( sheesh! it doesn’t seem like a standard routine for ANY app at all.. wthigot! )
    @VirSyn is there ANYTHING you can do to make things less frustrating for the basic non-icloud user that wants to use files app to move things around.. or do we have to just stick to the import process that comes with building a new instrument every time?
    it does all seem rather Kafka-esque with this folder deciding to appear in ‘on my ipad’ on a whim or only on dry tuesdays! :)

    The basic problem is that if i enable the local AudioLayer folder in the Files App that you can see the instruments/samples there then there is no longer a connection to the AUv3 versions of AL. They have then different folders where they get there data. I know this seems weird that this is totally different to the cloud version. I can only assume that Apple has done it this way for security reason, but can't tell for sure.
    What i'm currently investigate is if it's feasible to write our own syncing mechanism between the local file folder of the stand alone and the group folder of the AUv3. But here the problem may be that we need double the space as in the cloud version...

    yes, i see, that does seem like a rather sticky conundrum!
    is it a possibility that a solution for none icloud users ( well it might be useful for everybody actually ) that we get more “open in” options for import, ie: a good old fashioned zip file with the instrument and samples or just a zip file of samples, named correctly or otherwise ( ie: what comes out of Re-Slice ) that brings up the three panels to choose which way audiolayer assembles the instrument.. might save a lot of hassle trying to engage with apples bureaucratic files app..
    or is that giving up too soon? :)

    All this "Open in" functions already work also in the local version ! You can import the zip files exported from other user with this method or open wav files, everything what AL can eat...
    But you won't find the imported samples / instrument files anywhere in the Files app. You can only see them inside AL and it's AUv3 extensions.

    well, i wish that were true for me. whenever i try ‘open in’ of a zip file ( yes, audiolayer is available in the open in list ) i get an error message “ wrong format”
    I just went back and tried it from yr own app Re-Slice .. exported the zipped wavs , only four in this case , and got the same message, 44khz 16bit wavs I believe.
    Any clue what’s up with that @VirSyn ?

    Are you sure the zip files were exactly as is created from AL itself ?
    They must be of the form either:

    "your instrument name".instrument.zip
    or
    "your instrument name".audiolayer.zip

    These types are generated if you select one of the two share options "Instrument" or "Instrument + Samples"

  • VirSynVirSyn

    @VirSyn said:

    @RockySmalls said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @RockySmalls said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @RockySmalls said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @gusgranite said:
    @VirSyn is there anyway to recreate the AudioLayer Files folder without reinstalling? I didn’t think I needed the ESX files anymore once they were imported but now the Files folder has gone too 😬

    With "Load factory instruments" in AL Settings you can recreate the contents + folders.
    Not sure how you lost the AudioLayer folder by trashing the EXS files. Have you looked in the trash if they are there ?
    You can delete the files in the import folder after importing, but you should leave the EXS folder in AudioLayer/samples intact.

    no, I don’t think @gusgranite is asking this, The ‘on my ipad’ files folder really does act strangely.. for instance, I thought I had solved it and managed to make the audiolayer folder appear in the apple files app recently, I am only using local storage and have icloud switched off in the app AND the tick box for the app in icloud settings.
    But today ( for no reason i can figure out ) the audiolayer folder is not visible in the Files app ‘on my ipad’ folder tree.. BUT if i select a selection of wavs in the documents files app folder and click ‘share’ then share to files,, the folder IS visible in that smaller window?? and you can copy the files there it seems! doesn’t make sense?
    the audiolayer folder that I see in files app NEVER has any internal folder structures, just the basic root folder.. so you couldn't erase the exs folder this way at all.
    now, of course, i don’t know how much of this is down to the weird quirks of apples files app and the seeming endless variations in the ways you can interact with it ( sheesh! it doesn’t seem like a standard routine for ANY app at all.. wthigot! )
    @VirSyn is there ANYTHING you can do to make things less frustrating for the basic non-icloud user that wants to use files app to move things around.. or do we have to just stick to the import process that comes with building a new instrument every time?
    it does all seem rather Kafka-esque with this folder deciding to appear in ‘on my ipad’ on a whim or only on dry tuesdays! :)

    The basic problem is that if i enable the local AudioLayer folder in the Files App that you can see the instruments/samples there then there is no longer a connection to the AUv3 versions of AL. They have then different folders where they get there data. I know this seems weird that this is totally different to the cloud version. I can only assume that Apple has done it this way for security reason, but can't tell for sure.
    What i'm currently investigate is if it's feasible to write our own syncing mechanism between the local file folder of the stand alone and the group folder of the AUv3. But here the problem may be that we need double the space as in the cloud version...

    yes, i see, that does seem like a rather sticky conundrum!
    is it a possibility that a solution for none icloud users ( well it might be useful for everybody actually ) that we get more “open in” options for import, ie: a good old fashioned zip file with the instrument and samples or just a zip file of samples, named correctly or otherwise ( ie: what comes out of Re-Slice ) that brings up the three panels to choose which way audiolayer assembles the instrument.. might save a lot of hassle trying to engage with apples bureaucratic files app..
    or is that giving up too soon? :)

    All this "Open in" functions already work also in the local version ! You can import the zip files exported from other user with this method or open wav files, everything what AL can eat...
    But you won't find the imported samples / instrument files anywhere in the Files app. You can only see them inside AL and it's AUv3 extensions.

    well, i wish that were true for me. whenever i try ‘open in’ of a zip file ( yes, audiolayer is available in the open in list ) i get an error message “ wrong format”
    I just went back and tried it from yr own app Re-Slice .. exported the zipped wavs , only four in this case , and got the same message, 44khz 16bit wavs I believe.
    Any clue what’s up with that @VirSyn ?

    Are you sure the zip files were exactly as is created from AL itself ?
    They must be of the form either:

    .instrument.zip
    or
    .audiolayer.zip

    These types are generated if you select one of the two share options "Instrument" or "Instrument + Samples"

    @gusgranite said:
    I’ve totally lost the AudioLayer folder in Files. Even when I reinstall the app. Oops 😬

    Now i know what's going on: The AudioLayer folder in the local version is only visible if there is some files in it.
    Copy some files ( for example an exs file + samples to import ) via iTunes Filesharing and the folder is there. Please don't ask me why...

  • RockySmallsRockySmalls

    @VirSyn said:

    @RockySmalls said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @RockySmalls said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @RockySmalls said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @gusgranite said:
    @VirSyn is there anyway to recreate the AudioLayer Files folder without reinstalling? I didn’t think I needed the ESX files anymore once they were imported but now the Files folder has gone too 😬

    With "Load factory instruments" in AL Settings you can recreate the contents + folders.
    Not sure how you lost the AudioLayer folder by trashing the EXS files. Have you looked in the trash if they are there ?
    You can delete the files in the import folder after importing, but you should leave the EXS folder in AudioLayer/samples intact.

    no, I don’t think @gusgranite is asking this, The ‘on my ipad’ files folder really does act strangely.. for instance, I thought I had solved it and managed to make the audiolayer folder appear in the apple files app recently, I am only using local storage and have icloud switched off in the app AND the tick box for the app in icloud settings.
    But today ( for no reason i can figure out ) the audiolayer folder is not visible in the Files app ‘on my ipad’ folder tree.. BUT if i select a selection of wavs in the documents files app folder and click ‘share’ then share to files,, the folder IS visible in that smaller window?? and you can copy the files there it seems! doesn’t make sense?
    the audiolayer folder that I see in files app NEVER has any internal folder structures, just the basic root folder.. so you couldn't erase the exs folder this way at all.
    now, of course, i don’t know how much of this is down to the weird quirks of apples files app and the seeming endless variations in the ways you can interact with it ( sheesh! it doesn’t seem like a standard routine for ANY app at all.. wthigot! )
    @VirSyn is there ANYTHING you can do to make things less frustrating for the basic non-icloud user that wants to use files app to move things around.. or do we have to just stick to the import process that comes with building a new instrument every time?
    it does all seem rather Kafka-esque with this folder deciding to appear in ‘on my ipad’ on a whim or only on dry tuesdays! :)

    The basic problem is that if i enable the local AudioLayer folder in the Files App that you can see the instruments/samples there then there is no longer a connection to the AUv3 versions of AL. They have then different folders where they get there data. I know this seems weird that this is totally different to the cloud version. I can only assume that Apple has done it this way for security reason, but can't tell for sure.
    What i'm currently investigate is if it's feasible to write our own syncing mechanism between the local file folder of the stand alone and the group folder of the AUv3. But here the problem may be that we need double the space as in the cloud version...

    yes, i see, that does seem like a rather sticky conundrum!
    is it a possibility that a solution for none icloud users ( well it might be useful for everybody actually ) that we get more “open in” options for import, ie: a good old fashioned zip file with the instrument and samples or just a zip file of samples, named correctly or otherwise ( ie: what comes out of Re-Slice ) that brings up the three panels to choose which way audiolayer assembles the instrument.. might save a lot of hassle trying to engage with apples bureaucratic files app..
    or is that giving up too soon? :)

    All this "Open in" functions already work also in the local version ! You can import the zip files exported from other user with this method or open wav files, everything what AL can eat...
    But you won't find the imported samples / instrument files anywhere in the Files app. You can only see them inside AL and it's AUv3 extensions.

    well, i wish that were true for me. whenever i try ‘open in’ of a zip file ( yes, audiolayer is available in the open in list ) i get an error message “ wrong format”
    I just went back and tried it from yr own app Re-Slice .. exported the zipped wavs , only four in this case , and got the same message, 44khz 16bit wavs I believe.
    Any clue what’s up with that @VirSyn ?

    Are you sure the zip files were exactly as is created from AL itself ?
    They must be of the form either:

    "your instrument name".instrument.zip
    or
    "your instrument name".audiolayer.zip

    These types are generated if you select one of the two share options "Instrument" or "Instrument + Samples"

    well i suppose this is where a manual would be essential, otherwise you’ll be on the audiobus forum all day every day ;-)
    did not know that... anyway, i tried that. in ReSlice I saved the preset as ‘name’.instrument and then when i used the open in zip export it did showed a ‘success’ message and i could see the 4 samples in the file tree list on screen... same occurs with a renamed zip from audioshare.. Unfortunately the Samples are nowhere to be found in any folder within the app.
    Be nice if it worked, especially directly from your great reslice app, it cuts out a tedious stage ... but for now I suppose I will stick to the create new instrument and select a list of files in Docs or Audioshare.

  • VirSynVirSyn

    @RockySmalls said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @RockySmalls said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @RockySmalls said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @RockySmalls said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @gusgranite said:
    @VirSyn is there anyway to recreate the AudioLayer Files folder without reinstalling? I didn’t think I needed the ESX files anymore once they were imported but now the Files folder has gone too 😬

    With "Load factory instruments" in AL Settings you can recreate the contents + folders.
    Not sure how you lost the AudioLayer folder by trashing the EXS files. Have you looked in the trash if they are there ?
    You can delete the files in the import folder after importing, but you should leave the EXS folder in AudioLayer/samples intact.

    no, I don’t think @gusgranite is asking this, The ‘on my ipad’ files folder really does act strangely.. for instance, I thought I had solved it and managed to make the audiolayer folder appear in the apple files app recently, I am only using local storage and have icloud switched off in the app AND the tick box for the app in icloud settings.
    But today ( for no reason i can figure out ) the audiolayer folder is not visible in the Files app ‘on my ipad’ folder tree.. BUT if i select a selection of wavs in the documents files app folder and click ‘share’ then share to files,, the folder IS visible in that smaller window?? and you can copy the files there it seems! doesn’t make sense?
    the audiolayer folder that I see in files app NEVER has any internal folder structures, just the basic root folder.. so you couldn't erase the exs folder this way at all.
    now, of course, i don’t know how much of this is down to the weird quirks of apples files app and the seeming endless variations in the ways you can interact with it ( sheesh! it doesn’t seem like a standard routine for ANY app at all.. wthigot! )
    @VirSyn is there ANYTHING you can do to make things less frustrating for the basic non-icloud user that wants to use files app to move things around.. or do we have to just stick to the import process that comes with building a new instrument every time?
    it does all seem rather Kafka-esque with this folder deciding to appear in ‘on my ipad’ on a whim or only on dry tuesdays! :)

    The basic problem is that if i enable the local AudioLayer folder in the Files App that you can see the instruments/samples there then there is no longer a connection to the AUv3 versions of AL. They have then different folders where they get there data. I know this seems weird that this is totally different to the cloud version. I can only assume that Apple has done it this way for security reason, but can't tell for sure.
    What i'm currently investigate is if it's feasible to write our own syncing mechanism between the local file folder of the stand alone and the group folder of the AUv3. But here the problem may be that we need double the space as in the cloud version...

    yes, i see, that does seem like a rather sticky conundrum!
    is it a possibility that a solution for none icloud users ( well it might be useful for everybody actually ) that we get more “open in” options for import, ie: a good old fashioned zip file with the instrument and samples or just a zip file of samples, named correctly or otherwise ( ie: what comes out of Re-Slice ) that brings up the three panels to choose which way audiolayer assembles the instrument.. might save a lot of hassle trying to engage with apples bureaucratic files app..
    or is that giving up too soon? :)

    All this "Open in" functions already work also in the local version ! You can import the zip files exported from other user with this method or open wav files, everything what AL can eat...
    But you won't find the imported samples / instrument files anywhere in the Files app. You can only see them inside AL and it's AUv3 extensions.

    well, i wish that were true for me. whenever i try ‘open in’ of a zip file ( yes, audiolayer is available in the open in list ) i get an error message “ wrong format”
    I just went back and tried it from yr own app Re-Slice .. exported the zipped wavs , only four in this case , and got the same message, 44khz 16bit wavs I believe.
    Any clue what’s up with that @VirSyn ?

    Are you sure the zip files were exactly as is created from AL itself ?
    They must be of the form either:

    "your instrument name".instrument.zip
    or
    "your instrument name".audiolayer.zip

    These types are generated if you select one of the two share options "Instrument" or "Instrument + Samples"

    well i suppose this is where a manual would be essential, otherwise you’ll be on the audiobus forum all day every day ;-)
    did not know that... anyway, i tried that. in ReSlice I saved the preset as ‘name’.instrument and then when i used the open in zip export it did showed a ‘success’ message and i could see the 4 samples in the file tree list on screen... same occurs with a renamed zip from audioshare.. Unfortunately the Samples are nowhere to be found in any folder within the app.
    Be nice if it worked, especially directly from your great reslice app, it cuts out a tedious stage ... but for now I suppose I will stick to the create new instrument and select a list of files in Docs or Audioshare.

    Aah, now i got it, what you want is to transfer audio files zipped to AL. This is not possible at the moment but on our to do list. This will of course be especially nice with ReSlice.

  • RockySmallsRockySmalls

    @VirSyn said:

    @RockySmalls said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @RockySmalls said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @RockySmalls said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @RockySmalls said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @gusgranite said:
    @VirSyn is there anyway to recreate the AudioLayer Files folder without reinstalling? I didn’t think I needed the ESX files anymore once they were imported but now the Files folder has gone too 😬

    With "Load factory instruments" in AL Settings you can recreate the contents + folders.
    Not sure how you lost the AudioLayer folder by trashing the EXS files. Have you looked in the trash if they are there ?
    You can delete the files in the import folder after importing, but you should leave the EXS folder in AudioLayer/samples intact.

    no, I don’t think @gusgranite is asking this, The ‘on my ipad’ files folder really does act strangely.. for instance, I thought I had solved it and managed to make the audiolayer folder appear in the apple files app recently, I am only using local storage and have icloud switched off in the app AND the tick box for the app in icloud settings.
    But today ( for no reason i can figure out ) the audiolayer folder is not visible in the Files app ‘on my ipad’ folder tree.. BUT if i select a selection of wavs in the documents files app folder and click ‘share’ then share to files,, the folder IS visible in that smaller window?? and you can copy the files there it seems! doesn’t make sense?
    the audiolayer folder that I see in files app NEVER has any internal folder structures, just the basic root folder.. so you couldn't erase the exs folder this way at all.
    now, of course, i don’t know how much of this is down to the weird quirks of apples files app and the seeming endless variations in the ways you can interact with it ( sheesh! it doesn’t seem like a standard routine for ANY app at all.. wthigot! )
    @VirSyn is there ANYTHING you can do to make things less frustrating for the basic non-icloud user that wants to use files app to move things around.. or do we have to just stick to the import process that comes with building a new instrument every time?
    it does all seem rather Kafka-esque with this folder deciding to appear in ‘on my ipad’ on a whim or only on dry tuesdays! :)

    The basic problem is that if i enable the local AudioLayer folder in the Files App that you can see the instruments/samples there then there is no longer a connection to the AUv3 versions of AL. They have then different folders where they get there data. I know this seems weird that this is totally different to the cloud version. I can only assume that Apple has done it this way for security reason, but can't tell for sure.
    What i'm currently investigate is if it's feasible to write our own syncing mechanism between the local file folder of the stand alone and the group folder of the AUv3. But here the problem may be that we need double the space as in the cloud version...

    yes, i see, that does seem like a rather sticky conundrum!
    is it a possibility that a solution for none icloud users ( well it might be useful for everybody actually ) that we get more “open in” options for import, ie: a good old fashioned zip file with the instrument and samples or just a zip file of samples, named correctly or otherwise ( ie: what comes out of Re-Slice ) that brings up the three panels to choose which way audiolayer assembles the instrument.. might save a lot of hassle trying to engage with apples bureaucratic files app..
    or is that giving up too soon? :)

    All this "Open in" functions already work also in the local version ! You can import the zip files exported from other user with this method or open wav files, everything what AL can eat...
    But you won't find the imported samples / instrument files anywhere in the Files app. You can only see them inside AL and it's AUv3 extensions.

    well, i wish that were true for me. whenever i try ‘open in’ of a zip file ( yes, audiolayer is available in the open in list ) i get an error message “ wrong format”
    I just went back and tried it from yr own app Re-Slice .. exported the zipped wavs , only four in this case , and got the same message, 44khz 16bit wavs I believe.
    Any clue what’s up with that @VirSyn ?

    Are you sure the zip files were exactly as is created from AL itself ?
    They must be of the form either:

    "your instrument name".instrument.zip
    or
    "your instrument name".audiolayer.zip

    These types are generated if you select one of the two share options "Instrument" or "Instrument + Samples"

    well i suppose this is where a manual would be essential, otherwise you’ll be on the audiobus forum all day every day ;-)
    did not know that... anyway, i tried that. in ReSlice I saved the preset as ‘name’.instrument and then when i used the open in zip export it did showed a ‘success’ message and i could see the 4 samples in the file tree list on screen... same occurs with a renamed zip from audioshare.. Unfortunately the Samples are nowhere to be found in any folder within the app.
    Be nice if it worked, especially directly from your great reslice app, it cuts out a tedious stage ... but for now I suppose I will stick to the create new instrument and select a list of files in Docs or Audioshare.

    Aah, now i got it, what you want is to transfer audio files zipped to AL. This is not possible at the moment but on our to do list. This will of course be especially nice with ReSlice.

    ok! so we were talking at cross purposes.. :)
    glad to know i wasn’t being a dunce or just randomly unlucky... and great news that we will eventually be able to use the workaround to quickly get chopped slices out of reslice into audiolayer.. hopefully with the select/import sample panels coming up automagically.
    but i still think there is something wrong with the import because I have tried it with an instrument of a Toy Piano that Jaymar sampled and built within audiolayer and kindly went to the trouble of posting in the AudioLayer instrument repository thread here..
    it was originally named Jaymer.audiolayer.zip ... and that threw up a wrong format error,
    i just changed it to jaymar.instrument.zip and that imported aok... but is nowhere to be found in any folders? instrument OR samples.. :(

  • VirSynVirSyn

    @RockySmalls said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @RockySmalls said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @RockySmalls said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @RockySmalls said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @RockySmalls said:

    @VirSyn said:

    @gusgranite said:
    @VirSyn is there anyway to recreate the AudioLayer Files folder without reinstalling? I didn’t think I needed the ESX files anymore once they were imported but now the Files folder has gone too 😬

    With "Load factory instruments" in AL Settings you can recreate the contents + folders.
    Not sure how you lost the AudioLayer folder by trashing the EXS files. Have you looked in the trash if they are there ?
    You can delete the files in the import folder after importing, but you should leave the EXS folder in AudioLayer/samples intact.

    no, I don’t think @gusgranite is asking this, The ‘on my ipad’ files folder really does act strangely.. for instance, I thought I had solved it and managed to make the audiolayer folder appear in the apple files app recently, I am only using local storage and have icloud switched off in the app AND the tick box for the app in icloud settings.
    But today ( for no reason i can figure out ) the audiolayer folder is not visible in the Files app ‘on my ipad’ folder tree.. BUT if i select a selection of wavs in the documents files app folder and click ‘share’ then share to files,, the folder IS visible in that smaller window?? and you can copy the files there it seems! doesn’t make sense?
    the audiolayer folder that I see in files app NEVER has any internal folder structures, just the basic root folder.. so you couldn't erase the exs folder this way at all.
    now, of course, i don’t know how much of this is down to the weird quirks of apples files app and the seeming endless variations in the ways you can interact with it ( sheesh! it doesn’t seem like a standard routine for ANY app at all.. wthigot! )
    @VirSyn is there ANYTHING you can do to make things less frustrating for the basic non-icloud user that wants to use files app to move things around.. or do we have to just stick to the import process that comes with building a new instrument every time?
    it does all seem rather Kafka-esque with this folder deciding to appear in ‘on my ipad’ on a whim or only on dry tuesdays! :)

    The basic problem is that if i enable the local AudioLayer folder in the Files App that you can see the instruments/samples there then there is no longer a connection to the AUv3 versions of AL. They have then different folders where they get there data. I know this seems weird that this is totally different to the cloud version. I can only assume that Apple has done it this way for security reason, but can't tell for sure.
    What i'm currently investigate is if it's feasible to write our own syncing mechanism between the local file folder of the stand alone and the group folder of the AUv3. But here the problem may be that we need double the space as in the cloud version...

    yes, i see, that does seem like a rather sticky conundrum!
    is it a possibility that a solution for none icloud users ( well it might be useful for everybody actually ) that we get more “open in” options for import, ie: a good old fashioned zip file with the instrument and samples or just a zip file of samples, named correctly or otherwise ( ie: what comes out of Re-Slice ) that brings up the three panels to choose which way audiolayer assembles the instrument.. might save a lot of hassle trying to engage with apples bureaucratic files app..
    or is that giving up too soon? :)

    All this "Open in" functions already work also in the local version ! You can import the zip files exported from other user with this method or open wav files, everything what AL can eat...
    But you won't find the imported samples / instrument files anywhere in the Files app. You can only see them inside AL and it's AUv3 extensions.

    well, i wish that were true for me. whenever i try ‘open in’ of a zip file ( yes, audiolayer is available in the open in list ) i get an error message “ wrong format”
    I just went back and tried it from yr own app Re-Slice .. exported the zipped wavs , only four in this case , and got the same message, 44khz 16bit wavs I believe.
    Any clue what’s up with that @VirSyn ?

    Are you sure the zip files were exactly as is created from AL itself ?
    They must be of the form either:

    "your instrument name".instrument.zip
    or
    "your instrument name".audiolayer.zip

    These types are generated if you select one of the two share options "Instrument" or "Instrument + Samples"

    well i suppose this is where a manual would be essential, otherwise you’ll be on the audiobus forum all day every day ;-)
    did not know that... anyway, i tried that. in ReSlice I saved the preset as ‘name’.instrument and then when i used the open in zip export it did showed a ‘success’ message and i could see the 4 samples in the file tree list on screen... same occurs with a renamed zip from audioshare.. Unfortunately the Samples are nowhere to be found in any folder within the app.
    Be nice if it worked, especially directly from your great reslice app, it cuts out a tedious stage ... but for now I suppose I will stick to the create new instrument and select a list of files in Docs or Audioshare.

    Aah, now i got it, what you want is to transfer audio files zipped to AL. This is not possible at the moment but on our to do list. This will of course be especially nice with ReSlice.

    ok! so we were talking at cross purposes.. :)
    glad to know i wasn’t being a dunce or just randomly unlucky... and great news that we will eventually be able to use the workaround to quickly get chopped slices out of reslice into audiolayer.. hopefully with the select/import sample panels coming up automagically.
    but i still think there is something wrong with the import because I have tried it with an instrument of a Toy Piano that Jaymar sampled and built within audiolayer and kindly went to the trouble of posting in the AudioLayer instrument repository thread here..
    it was originally named Jaymer.audiolayer.zip ... and that threw up a wrong format error,
    i just changed it to jaymar.instrument.zip and that imported aok... but is nowhere to be found in any folders? instrument OR samples.. :(

    Just checked this file and it's not the correct format. I think the author @Multicellular has repacked the zip file to include the info text file. But the repacking changed the folder structure and no longer matched AL's expectations...
    But i have to think about this kind of stuff, license files or info files added by users.

  • Pee102Pee102

    ...hello...sorry for that, but I’m just a musician who needs good sampled Instruments - will there be someone who is willing to share or to sell Samplepacks to download? - I guess I’m not the only one and maybe there will be a market for that:-)...would be so great...

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