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RE-1 Virtual Tape Machine & Looper - Amazing for Dub

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  • @Gavinski said:
    But right after writing this I went to give it a go as an iaa in AUM and as soon as I selected 'looper' preset, it crashed :D

    Well, I just tried in standalone on an iPad, selected the looper preset and mine crashed too. I’ll pass it on to Kai tomorrow. Obviously an issue here.

  • Haha, the joys of ios music making, lol. I'm considering buying a hardware looper for just this very kind of reason.

  • Or maybe is finally time to give group the loop a try. Or just go back to loopy. It was always solid from what I remember though I haven't used it in a long time. And maybe finally the new loopy will be everything we have been dreaming of with rock solid stability to boot.

  • edited April 2020

    @Gavinski said:
    Haha, the joys of ios music making, lol. I'm considering buying a hardware looper for just this very kind of reason.

    I tried to make a lofi one with a bit of spiced cassette in a handheld cassette recorder. It was fun but I like the RE-1 emulation via standalone on iPhone better.

    I just tried RE-1 again with other presets and it worked fine. Might just be that the looper preset is corrupted

  • @skiphunt said:

    @Gavinski said:
    But right after writing this I went to give it a go as an iaa in AUM and as soon as I selected 'looper' preset, it crashed :D

    Well, I just tried in standalone on an iPad, selected the looper preset and mine crashed too. I’ll pass it on to Kai tomorrow. Obviously an issue here.

    I sent it to him about a month and a half ago and haven’t heard anything. Included the fact that I get crazy weird artifacts.

  • It also worked for me after a few tries. But that's not really good enough, is it.... So these are the kind of reasons why I was recommending enso + kd7, some have complained of enso's reliability too though...

  • @DukeWonder said:

    @skiphunt said:

    @Gavinski said:
    But right after writing this I went to give it a go as an iaa in AUM and as soon as I selected 'looper' preset, it crashed :D

    Well, I just tried in standalone on an iPad, selected the looper preset and mine crashed too. I’ll pass it on to Kai tomorrow. Obviously an issue here.

    I sent it to him about a month and a half ago and haven’t heard anything. Included the fact that I get crazy weird artifacts.

    Yeah, he’s been a little out of pocket lately. Maybe because of the new baby 👶;) but also he’s got a couple new ones he’s been working on. One may drop in about a week. Drop him another note... he seems to be active again.

  • @skiphunt said:

    @Gavinski said:
    But right after writing this I went to give it a go as an iaa in AUM and as soon as I selected 'looper' preset, it crashed :D

    Well, I just tried in standalone on an iPad, selected the looper preset and mine crashed too. I’ll pass it on to Kai tomorrow. Obviously an issue here.

    Wait.... there is a looper preset?

    Oh yeah crashed mine too. Never saw that. But the looper is working wonderfully. Enable overdub, 4BARs and jam. Add tape characteristics add hiss saturation and stuff... just did it 👊🏼🙃

  • @aplourde said:

    @Monome said:

    @KRPT said:
    I went and bought it - in stand-alone it’s great! As all of Kai’s apps n plugs ... unfortunately in my daw (NS2) it’s almost unusable! None of the knobs will tweak without moving the UI around, (I’m on iPhone) making it impossible to actually change a parameter! Almost tempted to ask for my money back, if it were a desktop app I definitely would. Such a shame because the navigation in Shockwave is similarly sketchy (not as bad though). Anyone else have this problem and know of a workaround for now?

    I haven't used in NS2, only in AUM but I gave up because the sliders were too unreliable. They would jump anywhere when touched. I also experienced differences in the response of some buttons. This was a long time I ago. I reported, never heard back and after a while I deleted it from my iPad.

    I would suggest giving it another try. I don't have NS2, so can't comment there, but I use it in AUM for virtually every track I do and don't have any issues with knob or slider tracking. I found a bug a month or so ago, but it was fixed within a week.

    I have, thank you.
    I can confirm stand alone crash with the mentioned preset. I tend to use it as an AU effect - I'm obsessed with delays.
    Buttons and sliders respond better than last time. There's still a difference in how they respond. Delay time button needs more movement than any of the others. Sure, it gives also a little bit more of precision but I don't know if it's intended (or desired? it is bit inconsistent?). Output slider will jump if you put your finger away from the knob (ie. the path it follows) and move it. Last time I checked it would jump any time I tried to manipulate it.

    No big complain here, just stating. I don't use it that much anyway.

  • edited April 2020

    I can’t get it to work in NS2 on iPhone at all.

    Not only can you not turn any controls as the UI just moves about instead but there’s no sound either.

    I did get it working in NS2 on iPad. I copied the project to the iPhone and still nothing. It’s totally silent.

    iPhone 11. Latest NS2, re-1 and up to date iOS.

    @ka010

    UPDATE: Deleting and reinstalling the plug in seems to have got the audio back (nothing else I tried including removing and re-adding the plug in in the project or multiple iPhone restarts worked).

    But you still can’t control anything properly without the UI moving about instead.

  • @skiphunt said:

    @Gavinski said:
    But right after writing this I went to give it a go as an iaa in AUM and as soon as I selected 'looper' preset, it crashed :D

    Well, I just tried in standalone on an iPad, selected the looper preset and mine crashed too. I’ll pass it on to Kai tomorrow. Obviously an issue here.

    Any particular reason for using it as a standalone or IAA? It works great (for me) as an AU.

    @Gavinski said:
    Or maybe is finally time to give group the loop a try. Or just go back to loopy.

    While RE-1 mentions being a looper, I don't really consider it for that use. It's really more like a tape machine that you can use as a tape echo and periodically turn off the erase head to build up sound-on-sound.

    The best feature, for me, is that it is your recorded tape continues for several minutes. Even when you're just using it like a tape echo, it's not like a physical tape echo with a closed loop of tape, it's more like a bunch of reel-to-reels that are spooling a full reel of tape. So, if you have it going for several minutes as a simple tape echo and then hit "Reverse" it will play back (in reverse) the last few minutes. I use this in live jams all the time (but them I'm partial to reverse sounds ; ) This functionality is unique to RE-1.

    Here's an example - immediately before I switch to Shoom, I reverse RE-1 (by pressing the Main Parameter Button assigned to Reverse on the AUM screen). Then, while I'm in Shoom, RE-1 is continuing to play back everything I was just doing (or at least what I had routed to RE-1):

    @Gavinski said:
    It also worked for me after a few tries. But that's not really good enough, is it.... So these are the kind of reasons why I was recommending enso + kd7, some have complained of enso's reliability too though...

    I love Enso and use it extensively (though not as much as RE-1) and for me I have had far more crashes with Enso than I have had with RE-1. But, obviously YMMV!

  • @aplourde said:

    @skiphunt said:

    @Gavinski said:
    But right after writing this I went to give it a go as an iaa in AUM and as soon as I selected 'looper' preset, it crashed :D

    Well, I just tried in standalone on an iPad, selected the looper preset and mine crashed too. I’ll pass it on to Kai tomorrow. Obviously an issue here.

    Any particular reason for using it as a standalone or IAA? It works great (for me) as an AU.

    @Gavinski said:
    Or maybe is finally time to give group the loop a try. Or just go back to loopy.

    While RE-1 mentions being a looper, I don't really consider it for that use. It's really more like a tape machine that you can use as a tape echo and periodically turn off the erase head to build up sound-on-sound.

    The best feature, for me, is that it is your recorded tape continues for several minutes. Even when you're just using it like a tape echo, it's not like a physical tape echo with a closed loop of tape, it's more like a bunch of reel-to-reels that are spooling a full reel of tape. So, if you have it going for several minutes as a simple tape echo and then hit "Reverse" it will play back (in reverse) the last few minutes. I use this in live jams all the time (but them I'm partial to reverse sounds ; ) This functionality is unique to RE-1.

    Here's an example - immediately before I switch to Shoom, I reverse RE-1 (by pressing the Main Parameter Button assigned to Reverse on the AUM screen). Then, while I'm in Shoom, RE-1 is continuing to play back everything I was just doing (or at least what I had routed to RE-1):

    @Gavinski said:
    It also worked for me after a few tries. But that's not really good enough, is it.... So these are the kind of reasons why I was recommending enso + kd7, some have complained of enso's reliability too though...

    I love Enso and use it extensively (though not as much as RE-1) and for me I have had far more crashes with Enso than I have had with RE-1. But, obviously YMMV!

    wooo that video is excellent. had a very Nine inch nails vibe toward the end. very cool

  • @david_2017 said:

    @skiphunt said:

    @Gavinski said:
    But right after writing this I went to give it a go as an iaa in AUM and as soon as I selected 'looper' preset, it crashed :D

    Well, I just tried in standalone on an iPad, selected the looper preset and mine crashed too. I’ll pass it on to Kai tomorrow. Obviously an issue here.

    Wait.... there is a looper preset?

    Oh yeah crashed mine too. Never saw that. But the looper is working wonderfully. Enable overdub, 4BARs and jam. Add tape characteristics add hiss saturation and stuff... just did it 👊🏼🙃

    It's weird, I can't get my iPad to crash at all. I got my iPhone to crash selecting that preset, and then it started crashing when I simply pressed the Browse button(!) ...and now, after testing this for a bit, I can't get my iPhone to crash at all.

    As @david_2017 mentions, "Looper" mode is simply turning on "Overdub" so you don't need to use the Presets, but there's clearly something wrong.

    Based on comments and my anecdotal testing, it seems issues with the iPhone version are more prevalent - that and some serious issues with NS2, but I can't test that.

    @Monome said:
    I can confirm stand alone crash with the mentioned preset. I tend to use it as an AU effect - I'm obsessed with delays.
    Buttons and sliders respond better than last time. There's still a difference in how they respond. Delay time button needs more movement than any of the others. Sure, it gives also a little bit more of precision but I don't know if it's intended (or desired? it is bit inconsistent?).

    Pretty sure it's intended. When you have Time Stretch enabled, changing Delay time causes a pitch shift; by allowing very small changes you can get nice warbles and choruses and not the big pitch swoops you hear on every "tape delay"

    Output slider will jump if you put your finger away from the knob (ie. the path it follows) and move it. Last time I checked it would jump any time I tried to manipulate it.

    Hmmm, I'm not seeing that; I can move my finger to the other side of the plugin and it's still smoothly tracking. But there's definitely some funkiness with the UI when resizing the AU window.

    Anyway, as I mentioned in my previous post, RE-1 has a unique tape recorder paradigm that allows some unique behaviors that I can't live without. Hopefully the issues get resolved!

  • @aplourde very nice track!

  • Hey everyone,
    seems like I'm no longer getting email notifications for mentions here, not sure why but thanks to @skiphunt and @david_2017 for letting me know.

    So, I've just looked into the "Looper" Patch crash, it's an easy fix. I'll have a an update ready soon, in the meantime I'm happy to provide a beta version to anyone eager for a fix. That said, not using the factory patch and just enabling the looper manually should still work without issues.

    I'll be taking a look at issues with NS2 next.

  • @ka010 said:
    Hey everyone,
    seems like I'm no longer getting email notifications for mentions here, not sure why but thanks to @skiphunt and @david_2017 for letting me know.

    So, I've just looked into the "Looper" Patch crash, it's an easy fix. I'll have a an update ready soon, in the meantime I'm happy to provide a beta version to anyone eager for a fix. That said, not using the factory patch and just enabling the looper manually should still work without issues.

    I'll be taking a look at issues with NS2 next.

    I had sent an email a while ago. I’m also getting random artifacts in AUM with the loop functionality.

  • @DukeWonder said:
    I had sent an email a while ago. I’m also getting random artifacts in AUM with the loop functionality.

    Can you describe what kind of artefacts you're getting, maybe provide a sample? Does it happen on iPhone only or on iPad as well?

  • edited April 2020

    @aplourde said:

    @skiphunt said:

    @Gavinski said:
    But right after writing this I went to give it a go as an iaa in AUM and as soon as I selected 'looper' preset, it crashed :D

    Well, I just tried in standalone on an iPad, selected the looper preset and mine crashed too. I’ll pass it on to Kai tomorrow. Obviously an issue here.

    Any particular reason for using it as a standalone or IAA? It works great (for me) as an AU.

    Yes, it works great as AU.. but the reason I mentioned standalone... is that on the iPhone if you're just using to emulate a portable cassette looper, the interface is just the right size at full screen and a blast to play with in the field. :)

  • @Monome said:
    I can confirm stand alone crash with the mentioned preset. I tend to use it as an AU effect - I'm obsessed with delays.
    Buttons and sliders respond better than last time. There's still a difference in how they respond. Delay time button needs more movement than any of the others. Sure, it gives also a little bit more of precision but I don't know if it's intended (or desired? it is bit inconsistent?). Output slider will jump if you put your finger away from the knob (ie. the path it follows) and move it. Last time I checked it would jump any time I tried to manipulate it.

    No big complain here, just stating. I don't use it that much anyway.

    The way the time control and sliders respond is intentional, personally I prefer it that way but it seems that's just me, so I changed it now, changes will be included with the next update.

  • Holy shit, so I just realised this is auv3. When I search in AUM by name, it only appears as iia. When I search by developer name I see the AU. I just realised it is because they are named slightly differently. The AU is RE1. The IIA is RE-1. That's annoying, I have barely used this because I only thought it was IAA and that doesn't fit my work flow well. Excited though to start using this more!

  • @ka010 said:

    @DukeWonder said:
    I had sent an email a while ago. I’m also getting random artifacts in AUM with the loop functionality.

    Can you describe what kind of artefacts you're getting, maybe provide a sample? Does it happen on iPhone only or on iPad as well?

    I’ll do some testing today.

  • @skiphunt said:

    @aplourde said:

    @skiphunt said:

    @Gavinski said:
    But right after writing this I went to give it a go as an iaa in AUM and as soon as I selected 'looper' preset, it crashed :D

    Well, I just tried in standalone on an iPad, selected the looper preset and mine crashed too. I’ll pass it on to Kai tomorrow. Obviously an issue here.

    Any particular reason for using it as a standalone or IAA? It works great (for me) as an AU.

    Yes, it works great as AU.. but the reason I mentioned standalone... is that on the iPhone if you're just using to emulate a portable cassette looper, the interface is just the right size at full screen and a blast to play with in the field. :)

    Got it - but I inferred that @Gavinski didn't realize that it was an AU; wanted to clear up any misconception!

  • @ka010 said:

    @Monome said:
    I can confirm stand alone crash with the mentioned preset. I tend to use it as an AU effect - I'm obsessed with delays.
    Buttons and sliders respond better than last time. There's still a difference in how they respond. Delay time button needs more movement than any of the others. Sure, it gives also a little bit more of precision but I don't know if it's intended (or desired? it is bit inconsistent?). Output slider will jump if you put your finger away from the knob (ie. the path it follows) and move it. Last time I checked it would jump any time I tried to manipulate it.

    No big complain here, just stating. I don't use it that much anyway.

    The way the time control and sliders respond is intentional, personally I prefer it that way but it seems that's just me, so I changed it now, changes will be included with the next update.

    I actually like the time control being high resolution. As I mentioned above it allows subtle warbles and chorusing when adjusting instead of the typical exaggerated pitch swoop that you get with every other "tape delay".

  • I’d love it if you could scratch with it, keep naturally just trying it out 🤣

  • @aplourde said:

    @ka010 said:

    @Monome said:
    I can confirm stand alone crash with the mentioned preset. I tend to use it as an AU effect - I'm obsessed with delays.
    Buttons and sliders respond better than last time. There's still a difference in how they respond. Delay time button needs more movement than any of the others. Sure, it gives also a little bit more of precision but I don't know if it's intended (or desired? it is bit inconsistent?). Output slider will jump if you put your finger away from the knob (ie. the path it follows) and move it. Last time I checked it would jump any time I tried to manipulate it.

    No big complain here, just stating. I don't use it that much anyway.

    The way the time control and sliders respond is intentional, personally I prefer it that way but it seems that's just me, so I changed it now, changes will be included with the next update.

    I actually like the time control being high resolution. As I mentioned above it allows subtle warbles and chorusing when adjusting instead of the typical exaggerated pitch swoop that you get with every other "tape delay".

    Yeah I agree - it would be nice to have a choice @ka010

  • @DukeWonder said:
    I’ll do some testing today.

    Great, thanks!

    @Gavinski said:
    Holy shit, so I just realised this is auv3. When I search in AUM by name, it only appears as iia. When I search by developer name I see the AU. I just realised it is because they are named slightly differently. The AU is RE1. The IIA is RE-1. That's annoying, I have barely used this because I only thought it was IAA and that doesn't fit my work flow well. Excited though to start using this more!

    Oh, that's unfortunate, I never noticed but thanks for pointing it out.

    @Krupa said:
    I’d love it if you could scratch with it, keep naturally just trying it out 🤣

    Could be interesting, maybe for the next major update :)

    @cian said:
    Yeah I agree - it would be nice to have a choice @ka010

    Alright so I added an option to dial in the sensitivity along with one for setting the sensitivity of the touch reel warping feature. Both will be included with the upcoming update.

  • Nice one Kai

  • edited April 2020

    @ka010 Another one.

    The Tape Loop Export window in the full-screen AUv3 is cut off on the side. Samples cannot be saved, unless the window is resized to slightly smaller, but this doesn't always work.

  • Well I didn’t get artifacts this time so never mind.

  • @Sequencer1 said:
    @ka010 Another one.

    The Tape Loop Export window in the full-screen AUv3 is cut off on the side. Samples cannot be saved, unless the window is resized to slightly smaller, but this doesn't always work.

    Thanks, fixed it.

    @DukeWonder said:
    Well I didn’t get artifacts this time so never mind.

    OK, if it does happen again please let me know.

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