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Nanostudio 2 update
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Fucking LOL
Precisely.
Don‘t liking NanoStudio is blasphemy!
...and I won’t rule myself out from one day doing that.
I don't think so. If people use their time for working with DAW's they like, or helping other people use that DAW, they doesn't have time, motivation and reason for spreading hate about other DAWS. Look for example at this thread - i think in all it's 20 pages you are the only one who is spreading here hate and spamming with nonsense. That's pretty nice score when considering number of people who are active in this thread (including those who stated that from some specific reason/missing feature they are not interested in NS2)
I’m a fan of positive vibes! It’s sad that everywhere you look on any forum or comments section there are those who seem like they just had to come up with something negative to say.
I don't think its about positive or negative just finding out if something is going to work for you.
Nonsense spamming = animated muppet gif, guilty!
Hate = ? Strong word. You now must provide quotes. Failure to do so will say more about you than me.
Oh do you mean things like this?
Ooooh.. dripping with HATE. LOL
Which negative posts ?
@dendy
More hate!
Call the UN!
You are right about that!
I really hope not. I read a lot of threads on this forum and almost never post unless it is about Nanostudio because I feel that is the app I know best. I certainly wouldn’t go criticize BM3 on a thread because I have never used it. I did for a short time use the original BM, but I won’t publically criticized BM3 based on features BM didn’t have. I respect the devs who are creating a wonderful sonic playground for us on iOS, and I buy lots of apps that I almost never use. We should all try to keep positive about the apps. I do encorage open discussions of features - that is a useful aspect of this forum.
I’m not totally naive - I do know this is still the Internet. I generally find this forum to be on a higher level than the average Internet forum and I was just trying to gently point out that things were getting a bit negative. I know NS2 won’t be the ‘be all end all” for everyone, and it doesn’t have to be. NS2 also doesn’t have to have every imaginable feature in order to justify itself. Time stretch & beat slicing - there already are apps for that and people can use them in an NS2 workflow. NS2 seems to be focusing on what it does best.
Also to be clear, I am not point at you AudioGus. You are on the fence about NS2 and reading your stream in consciousness post about it is pretty interesting. You lean a little one way, then the other, then ask questions about features you’d like to see. I’m invested in this story and want to see how it ends. If you’re like me, who regularly says to myself “no more apps” then drops $30 on a new shiny synth app, you’ll end up getting NS2 in the end, no matter how much you rationalize against it. Heck I just spent $300 on a used $500 Yamaha keyboard because I don’t have anything from Yamaha yet.
After NS2 launches I expect I won’t be posting too much on this forum. I think I’ll be super busy making music. I hope you guys will be too.
Totaly, and as I was alluding to earlier, if it has loop start/end automation it may bump out Elastic Drums for me. There is a chance it even dwarfs BM3... particularly if audio tracks at least has fade in / fade out and a few etcs. (sorry for the 'hate' here
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Yah, I don't think I ever said 'never'. Far from it.
Well ... i never say never either. Heck, i'm not averse to picking up BM3 again someday (heck I paid for it!) if I can't get what I want elsewhere. I doubt it but I'm not above eating crow and my words.
It's not hateful to ask about features and enjoy the give and take of any purchasing decision. Sheesh, what the.
I thought this was the most incisive comment in the entire thread. It wasn't meant in a spirit of meanness or negativity, but it perfectly encapsulated the over-the-top claims of what NS2 WILL DO, even though virtually no one has seen anything more than a few screenshots.
I get the excitement. It'll be thrilling to have a new and possibly better way to make music. But ask yourself if you've been holding off finishing a project until [INSERT APP NAME] drops and then you can finally achieve the workflow you've been dreaming of.
I'm definitely guilty of this. Buy an app, learn it a bit...give up and wait for the thing that REALLY hits your tuning fork.
Starting a new band, The Dame Rangers, in case anyone wants in. I thinking it's going to be like a two thousand piece, maybe more.
What do you know ? Maybe really there are some beta testers secretly active
If you're paranoid, it doesn't mean they aren't watching you
There was not just "few screenshots" revealedd.. There is pretty much a lot of screenshots and lot of detailed descriptions (and sound demos!) available.
If you want, you can have very deep overview and knowledge what to expect, which is good basis for discussion. And speculations of course :-) Like that spectral sampling feature snd tons of other stuff.
Such discussion is good, it's fun and it is meaningfull - because it can help avoid dissapointment for users who expect something, and then get something completely different (like it happened with BM3). Not everybody have will and time to watch in detail discussions on blipinteractive forums to get overview in all revealed info.
So discussing all features which are clear from screenshots and descriptions from NS forum is good thing.
Repeating again ang again why i don't buy some app (specially if 10 people before me already mentioned same reason and they all are already using other app which do have that particular feature), is, how to say it... ... not that meaningfull.
I fear you have missed the point, but that's probably my fault. I suppose I should have bolded "everybody" in Bram's comment.
I fail to see how this kind of hype can create anything but disappointment.
So what you're saying is, we're all living in Plato's Cave, but when we emerge, NS2 will be there. And if NS2 sees his shadow — wait, I always get this part confused. It means six more weeks till audio tracks?
So what can NS2 Do that BM3 can’t? A teaser video will be nice..
Not if it adds a month to release
It’s not always a matter of “what can app A do that app B can’t”. In my case it’s a matter of giving BM3 and several other apps a good shot including buying a bunch of IAP’s but just never feeling comfortable with the process of using them or being disappointed by some aspect of their workflow. With the pending release of NS2 I went back to NS1 on my Mac and an old phone and found the experience quite pleasant. That and the quite extensive updates in capability of NS2 over NS1 have me excited over the possibilities. Simple as that - sorry, no drama!
I think maybe there has been a failure on this thread regarding the word ‘hype’. The enthusiasm for NS2 on the part of a lot of NS2 enthusiasts is not hype. One definition of ‘hype’: “extravagant or intensive publicity or promotion“ To me, hype is really when a company overstates the features and functionality of something, in this case an app. I’ve not read a single thing from Blip Interactive on this forum. People quote updates from the NS1 forum and post it here to share the news. Blip offering updates to its patient user base on the NS1 forum is not hype. Really all of this discussion should be over on that forum, but this has become the biggest iOS music forum. It brings together users of different apps much like AudioBus bring the audio/MIDI of different apps. Customer enthusiasm isn’t hype. None of us are claining NS2 can do anything that it actually can’t do. I would enjoy that sort of talk in a quirky humorous way. Like making claims that NS2 allows Siri to sing background vocals. Now that’s hype! I would pay $30 bucks just for that feature.
Nonetheless, I know that there is no way any single app can do everything that everyone could possibly want. People should be realistic about that. If we NS1 users are overly enthusiastic about NS2, I don’t think others should interpret that as ‘hype’ and therefore be put off to NS2. This app is what it is. Some people will really click with it, and some will not.
No harm in discussing features, but there was for a while a bit more of the negative vibe building on this thread about what NS2 doesn’t have. If we think back to the 90’s and the discussion of what Pro Tools couldn’t do I think we’d be a little more tolerant of the development of apps on the iOS platform. We’ve come to expect a lot due to the advances on PC/Mac. If we look back to the development of iOS music apps, NS1 was a big reason the bar was raised back before iOS apps could even handle MIDI. A lot of the BM2/3 fans should thank NS1 for inspiring the BM devs to raise the bar. NS2 is a significant advancement over NS1, and I think we should all have respect for the dev’s work and be glad that there are still devs working to raise the bar despite how difficult Apple makes it to do so.
@AudioGus I think we should interpret the word “hate” a little less strong from people who are not native English speakers. I don’t think you are hating NS2. I took dendy’s comment more along the lines of your comments were comparitively the strongest against NS2, but they really weren’t very negative. All to say that the vibe isn’t very strong against NS2, but rather more positive in general. I think it was just a language thing, not a personal thing. But I did find your subsequent ‘examples’ of hate speech to be humorous. 😊
I don't know if I am hyping up NS2, but I am personally pretty amp'd up about it. Matt (blip Matt) may go dark for awhile, but he comes out in the forum with updates and talks like a regular dude. He doesn't try to market speak you, or whatever, he's just one guy writing software and lets you know when he's frustrated or when he's eventually beating it into submission. He's a perfectionist (imo) and has learned a ton from NS1 and I really believe is trying to make sure he's creating a framework for the future on this one. Don't think he realized quite the cult following he would have with NS1 and probably feels like he has to live up to something pretty great on NS2. I was harping on BM3 in another thread, not because of the product which has its share of problems as well as its share of amazing, but because of the lack of communication. Posting dislikes about an app because you have first hand knowledge as an actual user goes farther with me than somebody just posting negativity about spec's they read about or because I heard that blah blah. I just skip those posts and don't think about it any more. After while, the same folks establish that's who they are and I never read anything from them again. The discipline of ignoring is very powerful if one chooses the narrow path of forum lurking.
So as a user of NS1 and reading through what glimmers of features Matt has posted, I can't wait to actually see what we have the option of using in NS2 and then just go from there. Speculation is definitely fun and can apparently cause a ruckus but is chaff in the wind...it all changes when the ball actually drops...
...Then the ruckus really begins!
There are pros & cons with all apps based on the workflow of individuals. It is more a case of finding the apps that best suit your personal workflow. NS1 was an all inclusive Sequencer, Synth, & Mixer that just clicked with a lot of people in terms of the workflow making it easy to get tracks completed. NS2 looks to be more of the same. BM2/3 use samples which is great for some type of music, but it doesn’t offer a true synth (someone please correct me if I am overstating this) which is critical for some musicians. I think it primarily boils down to ease of use/UI/workflow preferences of the individuals. Craftsmen always seem to want more tools even if they don’t use all of them all of the time. What does one wood plane do that another wood plane does not? Huge discussion there.
Why you need compare those 2 apps ? Every one is targetting users with radically different needs and workflow. Different paradigms. Like SUV vs. sportcar - they both are cars but there similirity ends.
But if you really want, few examples:
But again - i don't think it makes sense to move this discussion in direction NS2 vs BM3. There are other things, which BM3 have and NS2 not (yet) like time stretch and audio tracks. As i said, each one, althougt they have some similiarities, is aimed to different audience.
What drez said. Good points.
What Slam_Cut said. Good points too!
True, no matter how you slice it.
I am really looking forward to ns2, I loved ns1. There are a few shutterwax songs where the tracks I made in ns1 wound up on the master, not edm tracks. The little bit of edm type things I've posted online over the years prove that I just do that on my own because it's fun but isn't something anyone will need to hear! (Gadget has been that for me now).
With that being said, ns1 was still my favorite midi sequencer ever and when I open it on my ipad1 from time to time I still love it.
I might be opposite others - I love trg and did not like the synth a ton in ns1, although I definitely used it plenty. Mainly I didn't love that I had to manually scroll through all of the presets, so every song I ever did probably had that first patch (the pulsating gated sound, can't remember the patch name) in it somewhere! Eventually I'd change the sounds, but to sketch a song I used the first few patches every time. Come to think of it, that's not such a bad thing, huh?
And saving new patches was painful (you know what I mean - first world pain for sure!).
But, it laid the groundwork for a lot of ios music apps later and definitely was SUPER stable.
I just got logic and am going to be mostly creating in that ecosystem now (I love that I can open my garageband ideas I do while in the car, etc in logic), but ns2 will be an instabuy for me. Any development that comes later is most welcome but as is I'm looking forward to it. When it goes universal that's even better!
Hard to believe that using ns1 in 2011/2012 feels like ANCIENT history!
At this point, as far I can tell, a synth, network storage and buses, obviously Beatmaker has stuff that NS2 hasn't shown as being able to do yet by screenshots etc, so could be a good pairing having both.
Notes for Beatmaker, synths are a plenty in AU, buses can now be had in Beatmaker by buying Apematrix and network storage is available via a 3rd party app too, but obviously having all that built in is much better.