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Switching to Stagelight as your main DAW? From what , and why?
I began on Cubasis but wasn’t grooving in the 1/48 ppw sequencer resolution, then briefly Garageband partially because of the really good sound content but the restrictions and limitations rapidly became rapidly apparent, as with Gadget. Curious to see NS2 but Stagelight might be the ticket for me I think. Anyone else considering making a switch and why?
I haven’t seen any developer besides Davey Wentz be so active . Certainly not Gadget or Apple/Garageband . Lars comes on occasionally but there’s a ceiling w Cubasis .. They don’t wanna get too close to cannibalizing Cubase.. Same w FL Studio Mobile. Stagelight might be the move . And they’ve been around a long time .
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Does it do regular audio recording?
I don't switch, I add to the arsenal. I somehow need the variety of options. That means me liking Stagelight, which I do, doesn't actually mean I'm not going to use Auria/Cubasis/BM3/Multitrackstudio etc, though there is obviously more contenders for my time now.
As in regular timeline recording? Yes.
Yes I switched the main reason I can polish tracks up or keep working on them on the Windows version and add vst into the mix. Also find personal with the loop builder the workflow is great.
Now it won’t probably be possible but I have SynthMaster and Sunrizer as VST on my desktop and AU on my iPad . Wouldn’t it be great if they showed up after I transferred a track. Rather than get the message instrument missing.
This will probably happen on MAC first if Apple 🍏 combine AU from iOS and desktop.
I can't imagine it will replace Auria for finishing tracks, but I'm happy to add it to the arsenal - looks like it could be a useful writing tool.
The fx section in this app is really good.
I switched from Cubasis to stagelight. Its not perfect yet but I just really like the workflow. It just clicks with me.
It still lacks some of what I love about other iOS DAWs. That’s my problem at the moment - there is not one iOS DAW that does everything I want. Auria Pro is the closest, but does not have great onscreen note input (BM3 does that one better). BM3 is great to input notes in, but does not have any easy way to get midi over to Auria Pro. Cubasis is far easier in some ways to arrange midi than them all. Stagelight adds the great recording of midi blocks to timeline, but still lacks the pad note input and the super sampler of BM3 (even though it has a sampler it’s not as easy to use).
I’m just getting more and more confused by the day with iOS to be honest - not one of the iOS DAWs is ideal for the way I want to make music.
I am still evaluating but I will say it has certainly replaced GB and Cubasis for me. IAA is on the way for Stagelight at which point BM3 and Stagelight may be the ultimate iPad rig I’ve been dreaming about since iOS production became a thing. Right now Egoist AU has assumed sampling duties in SL.
Besides the app being just plain well done, platform universal and rock solid...it is the commitment to User Support excellence, if maintained, that will make Open Lab very very tough to beat.
What I’m watching:
-How fast updates and new features roll out.
-How much user feedback effects app direction.
-If User Support is consistent, it’s still launch week, Reason Compact team was also motivated at launch
-Competition reaction to a new pretty girl in school
Stagelight has been a major disruption for me. All positive. Interface customization, Loop Builder, Drum Sequencer and Custom Roli Block intervention creates feature parity between SL and current iOS DAW offerings.
There’s a freaking filter on the channel strip!
You can quick add effects to each drum sound in the freaking sequencer!
MPE compatible!
Ableton style clip launching!
These features along with transparency and engagement with the team also tell me that Open Lab is several Stages ahead of the competition in terms of direction, planning and resources. They are very responsive. I mean I have email, phone number and ext straight to the Honcho. He’s personally addressed and fixed a concern already.
Who else offers this type of access? Says a lot about the future for SL. Ain’t going nowhere.
I’m bullish on StageLight as well. Still keeping GB due to its Logic Pro escape plan. If SL had pitch correction it would be a slam dunk.
Stagelight is an iPhone portable tool for sketching midi patterns and ideas.
Otherwise
Still using what I do.
Which is Cubasis, More so anymore Auria, and Ableton for performance.
Pitch correction aka auto tune?
I had a really good look at this. I was contemplating switching to it and was on the verge of purchasing the IOS unlock. However a couple of 'deal-breakers' put me off.
(1) I tried using Geoshred as a MIDI input device but as far as I can tell Stagelight does not support background audio so I didn't get any sound even though I'd selected Geoshred as the MIDI input.
(2) I resorted to using the built-in keyboard and recorded something. I wanted to quantise it but as far as I can tell there's only the option to switch Snap To Grid on and off. You can't set the quantise resolution like you can in Cubase/Audio.
I'll be keeping an eye on it to see how it develops though though as the cross-platform compatibility really appeals.
Background audio will come.
About quantization options:
While recording >>
Tap on grid icon on top toolbar and choose a recording quantize resolution
After recording, in the midi editor >>
Select all notes with arrow tool or even multi arrow tool for choosing only some notes
Set grid resolution with a tap the four squares icon
Then open the editor tools with a tap on lower left blue arrow and tap on quantize button. You can also tap select all here to select all notes
Not sure if this is what you meant by note entry, but the pads and keys in SL have a lot of scalability options
On iOS/iPhone my main DAW is/was GarageBand. What misses the most for me on StageLight to make entirely the switch is advanced audio edition, as audio mangling is an essential part of my workflow and sound. I need at least sample reverse button, as we can already alter pitch and tempo per part and have clips editable automations. And of course I need Link/IAA, as I use a lot apeMatrix/AUM/loopy/Blocswave/Gadget/BeatHawk IAA and I like to use the DAW as a sampler for those apps. GarageBand do it well. But I’m sure StageLight will do it perfectly too. Of course there is AU midi and SL will have it, but GB... The BIG advantage for me of SL is freezing. I use lot of AU effects for designing my tracks, it’s CPU intensive and GB merging while working perfectly is not as good as a true freezing option: no song copy is made and it’s much more easier to revert. Also, SL is less ressource intensive, no optimisation process, and faster UI with no animations. About sound quality, a DAW is a host and I use mostly AU instruments and effects. So that should not make any difference with GB with which I almost never use internal instruments/fxs except drums but SL has good ones too. I like SL internal FXS pretty much, reminds me Ableton stuff. So I’m in transition as I’ve got an efficient workflow with GB and various iOS apps/protocols. But I practice/learn/taste SL pretty often and I’m at a few inches of the definitive switch. I’m also much more in Ableton Live on laptop these days: so powerful, reliable, creative, perfect for complex live setups and has that famous session/arrangement workflow which made me use GB and now SL... I started using Live since version 1, but didn’t touch it when I was « iOS only »... but really discovering again what is having no limitations is as good for music making than having some restrictions, at this time it’s even better for me. So as SL has the potential to give more freedom in iOS music making and will also certainly get ALS export, I just say bingo!!!
I just hope it will only take a few months to have most important features we need
@charalew there’s a AU midi MPE controller app coming out soon that may get around the GeoShred problem once StageLight gets AU midi.
Interesting, what’s this app?
Jeez what a great set of responses . @Janosax you are invaluable to this community!
Yup the only sonically passable one on iOS is the one in GB
Agreed. I’m no big fan of the one in GB but I appreciate the effort considering almost every modern genre uses it.
Not really. The pads are only available for drums and the keys are just not great for note entry over many octaves as the pads are on BM3. BM3 is the only one that gives half decent options for note input onscreen - SL, AP and Cubasis are all pretty poor in this area.
Indeed. This is why IAA is a must and hopefully included in the next update. Hosting BM3 in SL is a must for me.
Edit: Scale lock helps for on screen input. Love how it’s implemented but keys and pads need more options.
Yeah the scale lock is ok, but no way as good as being able to choose the scale for each different instrument as in BM3. The keys though make some onscreen playing practically impossible at this time. I do find most iOS DAWs incredibly poor considering it’s a touch screen device.
Yup...Very easy to take BM3 for granted as it’s been around and seems to be somewhat of a punching bag in these parts but it’s essential to my workflow for several reasons you’ve mentioned. To me it’s almost the perfect midi controller for touch. The pads are legendary. Just wish they’d add MPE already!!!
I digress...IAA kind of solves the gap between SL and BM3. Scene Mode in bM3 will never be Loopbuilder. Sampleverse will never be BM3 sampler. BM3 piano roll or song mode won’t beat Drum Sequencer + Loopbuilder + Arrangement view. A marriage is in order dammit!!!
I haven't downloaded SL yet, but from what I'd seen I'd probably agree with your conclsion. I like the scene building/write to timeline/Ableton thing, that appeals to me a lot, but getting involved in a whole new DAW when I'm already distracted by other new apps, will just get in the way of making music.
I've spent most of this year learning 'new stuff', I really need to crack on and spend more time making music. I'll still keep an eye on this one thuogh.
Yeah let’s see some iOS DAW babies
Same here. If it wasn’t for the cost (which is not possible at my current time), I would just give up and go with a Mac or PC DAW again.
Nope, doesn't interest me. Still going to use Auria Pro until Nanostudio 2 arrives, and then it will probably be a combo of NS2 to track and AP to mix.
Word! Said before...Feels like an iOS arms race brewing. Bitwig and a few others are surely watching Stagelight. Gadget can’t feel too comfy right now. Reason Compact...bwahaha. Ableton is under huge pressure. Can’t see them making something more featured than SL on iOS or then why buy Live or Push? Apple has been updating Gb more consistently. Drambo is coming. NS2 is coming. BM3.1 is coming.
OH BOY!
That said, something about Stagelight sticks. Many things I think are missing are actually there just hidden well. Other things “missing” don’t feel missing as much as waiting to be implemented really well.