Switching to Stagelight as your main DAW? From what , and why?

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@Fruitbat1919 said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:
It still lacks some of what I love about other iOS DAWs. That’s my problem at the moment - there is not one iOS DAW that does everything I want. Auria Pro is the closest, but does not have great onscreen note input (BM3 does that one better). BM3 is great to input notes in, but does not have any easy way to get midi over to Auria Pro. Cubasis is far easier in some ways to arrange midi than them all. Stagelight adds the great recording of midi blocks to timeline, but still lacks the pad note input and the super sampler of BM3 (even though it has a sampler it’s not as easy to use).

I’m just getting more and more confused by the day with iOS to be honest - not one of the iOS DAWs is ideal for the way I want to make music.

I haven't downloaded SL yet, but from what I'd seen I'd probably agree with your conclsion. I like the scene building/write to timeline/Ableton thing, that appeals to me a lot, but getting involved in a whole new DAW when I'm already distracted by other new apps, will just get in the way of making music.

I've spent most of this year learning 'new stuff', I really need to crack on and spend more time making music. I'll still keep an eye on this one thuogh.

Same here. If it wasn’t for the cost (which is not possible at my current time), I would just give up and go with a Mac or PC DAW again.

Aside from recording live jams in AUM, I don't do any DAW stuff on the iPad at all - it's either exported as loops or recorded live into my laptop DAW (Reason). Partly because it's less fiddly, but also I've limited storage on the iPad - and with it's annoying insistance of duplicating audio files all over the place I run out of space really quickly.

[Deleted User]

@MonzoPro said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:
It still lacks some of what I love about other iOS DAWs. That’s my problem at the moment - there is not one iOS DAW that does everything I want. Auria Pro is the closest, but does not have great onscreen note input (BM3 does that one better). BM3 is great to input notes in, but does not have any easy way to get midi over to Auria Pro. Cubasis is far easier in some ways to arrange midi than them all. Stagelight adds the great recording of midi blocks to timeline, but still lacks the pad note input and the super sampler of BM3 (even though it has a sampler it’s not as easy to use).

I’m just getting more and more confused by the day with iOS to be honest - not one of the iOS DAWs is ideal for the way I want to make music.

I haven't downloaded SL yet, but from what I'd seen I'd probably agree with your conclsion. I like the scene building/write to timeline/Ableton thing, that appeals to me a lot, but getting involved in a whole new DAW when I'm already distracted by other new apps, will just get in the way of making music.

I've spent most of this year learning 'new stuff', I really need to crack on and spend more time making music. I'll still keep an eye on this one thuogh.

Same here. If it wasn’t for the cost (which is not possible at my current time), I would just give up and go with a Mac or PC DAW again.

Aside from recording live jams in AUM, I don't do any DAW stuff on the iPad at all - it's either exported as loops or recorded live into my laptop DAW (Reason). Partly because it's less fiddly, but also I've limited storage on the iPad - and with it's annoying insistance of duplicating audio files all over the place I run out of space really quickly.

Tell me about it. I’ve spent a very large amount of time lately moving files up to the cloud - hence less music making. I’m getting very disillusioned with iOS now. Still might save up for a second Hand 500gb iPad 10.5 Pro, but really iPads just make music making hard work with regards to file management.

Jumpercollins

@Janosax said:

@Jumpercollins said:

@charalew said:
I had a really good look at this. I was contemplating switching to it and was on the verge of purchasing the IOS unlock. However a couple of 'deal-breakers' put me off.

(1) I tried using Geoshred as a MIDI input device but as far as I can tell Stagelight does not support background audio so I didn't get any sound even though I'd selected Geoshred as the MIDI input.

(2) I resorted to using the built-in keyboard and recorded something. I wanted to quantise it but as far as I can tell there's only the option to switch Snap To Grid on and off. You can't set the quantise resolution like you can in Cubase/Audio.

I'll be keeping an eye on it to see how it develops though though as the cross-platform compatibility really appeals.

@charalew there’s a AU midi MPE controller app coming out soon that may get around the GeoShred problem once StageLight gets AU midi.

Interesting, what’s this app?

@Janosax I’m NDA on that sorry.

JonLewis

Where exactly IS the setting to switch the on screen keyboard between scale lock and standard black and white?

[Deleted User]

I’m considering very seriously get the mac/iOS combo (even without loophole) due I see a huge potential in this crossplatform approach and be more open in midi terms than garageband. It could be useful for teaching in workshops and it’s fair price IMO.

@Fruitbat1919 I bought the mac mini and I have also an old pc with win10. It’s sad but Ableton still gets the flava and mojo and mostly due Ableton export. Stagelight should implement Ableton import

[Deleted User]

StageLight is still lacking some basic functionality I would want though these features are on their road map.

1. Link with transport controls
2. Background audio
3. AU MIDI out/fx support
4. Automation recording
5. IAA support
6. Audiobus 3 support
7. A Manual

StageLight seems easier and more straightforward for me to maneuver around in and being multi platform are the reasons why I like the app. Anticipate collaborating with other musicians who will not all be iOS based. Having a larger user base to support development and the relative stability and features for a new DAW on iOS are a very good sign.

I really like the fact it has SFZ support so I can roll my own sounds.

Nevertheless, my continued focus on using the app will depend upon the developer following through on the road map features as its current features will not satisfy all of my DAW needs.

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@Fruitbat1919 said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@MonzoPro said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:
It still lacks some of what I love about other iOS DAWs. That’s my problem at the moment - there is not one iOS DAW that does everything I want. Auria Pro is the closest, but does not have great onscreen note input (BM3 does that one better). BM3 is great to input notes in, but does not have any easy way to get midi over to Auria Pro. Cubasis is far easier in some ways to arrange midi than them all. Stagelight adds the great recording of midi blocks to timeline, but still lacks the pad note input and the super sampler of BM3 (even though it has a sampler it’s not as easy to use).

I’m just getting more and more confused by the day with iOS to be honest - not one of the iOS DAWs is ideal for the way I want to make music.

I haven't downloaded SL yet, but from what I'd seen I'd probably agree with your conclsion. I like the scene building/write to timeline/Ableton thing, that appeals to me a lot, but getting involved in a whole new DAW when I'm already distracted by other new apps, will just get in the way of making music.

I've spent most of this year learning 'new stuff', I really need to crack on and spend more time making music. I'll still keep an eye on this one thuogh.

Same here. If it wasn’t for the cost (which is not possible at my current time), I would just give up and go with a Mac or PC DAW again.

Aside from recording live jams in AUM, I don't do any DAW stuff on the iPad at all - it's either exported as loops or recorded live into my laptop DAW (Reason). Partly because it's less fiddly, but also I've limited storage on the iPad - and with it's annoying insistance of duplicating audio files all over the place I run out of space really quickly.

Tell me about it. I’ve spent a very large amount of time lately moving files up to the cloud - hence less music making. I’m getting very disillusioned with iOS now. Still might save up for a second Hand 500gb iPad 10.5 Pro, but really iPads just make music making hard work with regards to file management.

I still love the iPad - I'm just using it differently to a couple of years ago when I did everything in Auria. It's now an instrument in it's own right that I plug into a desktop DAW, sketch ideas on, build loops etc. For quick beatmaking and sample mangling it's better than a desktop DAW IMHO.

Like you though I'll probably go with the previous Pro, as I can't really afford or justify spending nearly a grand on an iPad, and for my uses it'll be more than powerful enough.

@Dubbylabby said:
I’m considering very seriously get the mac/iOS combo (even without loophole) due I see a huge potential in this crossplatform approach and be more open in midi terms than garageband. It could be useful for teaching in workshops and it’s fair price IMO.

bought the mac mini

That's what I'm hoping to get soon - then I'll be fully Mac/iOS based.

[Deleted User]

@JonLewis said:
Where exactly IS the setting to switch the on screen keyboard between scale lock and standard black and white?

JonLewis

the key symbol! Ugh thanks. I had assumed that was an 'unlock features' key and not a musical key, ha.

supadom

@realdawei said:

@WillieNegus said:

@realdawei said:
I’m bullish on StageLight as well. Still keeping GB due to its Logic Pro escape plan. If SL had pitch correction it would be a slam dunk.

Pitch correction aka auto tune?

Yup the only sonically passable one on iOS is the one in GB

Have you tried voice rack fx by tc helicon?

ZenLizard

Stagelight “gets me”, so for a place to begin projects and flesh out ideas I’m loving it. I find that I do too much fighting just to make things work with all other iOS DAWs at present. The last time I got so much done on the iPad it was with BeatMaker2 and Nanostudio before Audiobus was around..

I sing, play guitar, bass, and keys just fine, but I am a poor finger drummer so I’ve learned to create half recorded, half programed drums. I don’t use loops but I get a lot of use out of one-shots. The Stagelight approach works very well for someone like me.
That said, I expect Auria P will still get plenty of use (just not for composing). My jury is still out on the other DAWs

Telstar5

@WillieNegus : What did you eat today and these past few days? Knocking it out of the oark lately w your comments. Good stuff

Samu

I'll stay with my trusty trio (BM3, Cubasis, Gadget) and a bunch of AUv3's for the time being all of which are quite easy on my degrading eyesight...

RajahP

Well, I’m patiently waiting on GR-16 Song Mode.. I can only imagine using SL in combo with GR-16 (Ableton Linked of course)..

Telstar5

@RajahP : What can GR16 do that Stagelight can’t?

RajahP

@Telstar5 said:
@RajahP : What can GR16 do that Stagelight can’t?

Huh... I guess it’s more about my ‘workflow’.. pretty comfortable with GR-16 ... But, ‘Conditional Triggers’ is one..

Janosax

A very cool feature in SL is sends/returns tracks, you can even add up to 4 insert effects on each one of them. That is something else over GB.

And you can make tracks templates, in which are saved your effects and audio/midi clips if needed. That’s really cool too, and can help sharing tracks between songs too.

Telstar5

@Janosax said:
A very cool feature in SL is sends/returns tracks, you can even add up to 4 insert effects on each one of them. That is something else over GB.

And you can make tracks templates, in which are saved your effects and audio/midi clips if needed. That’s really cool too, and can help sharing tracks between songs too.

@Janosax : Interesting: One thing in GB’s favor is ease of learning curve meaning there are already a plethora of great tutorials on YouTube (Pete John’s, Dan Baker , etc). But supposedly SL has some planned also.

wim

TLDR; Buh Bye GarageBand. StageLight closing in but Xequence + AB3 still in the lead. Gadget and Cubasis still loved but much less used. Auria and BM3 relegated mostly to special duties.

It’s definitely replacing GarageBand for me. I’ve tried over and over again to get over my unreasoning dislike of GB. The clip launcher in GB is superb, and I like the great job they did on the drum sequencer. Both reasonably enough re-created in Stagelight - and can add my own samples for drums. So that just leaves the drummers in GB, which I won’t miss at all once I can use IAA or AudioBus for the Luis Martinez apps. The rest of GB is pure unwanted fluff to me.

But my other emerging and highly satisfying workflow is Xequence + AB3 + AUM (or other DAW for capturing audio). This just works so well, and is so fun, that the jury is still out on which will get more use. Probably Xequence. We’ll see.

BM3 = mother of all samplers, so won’t go away, and may make a comeback if they get some of the other bungled up stuff sorted.

Cubasis - I dunno. It’s just so nice. Hard to think of not snuggling up to it sometimes.

Auria - I’m kinda miffed at how slow it has been to adapt to AUv3 midi. Relegated to mixing and mastering audio stems at this point.

Gadget - more of a massive IAA instrument to me now since Xequence came along. I just don’t get on with the song structure and get pissed off about no AB3/IAA recording into Zurich. And the dopey no folder / no sharing sample structure. Still good for an jam when I don’t want to hassle with setting up other stuff. Still super glad to have it.

FLSM - wrote it off a long time ago. Icheck back periodically only to find they still don’t have their shit together (sigh).

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@Telstar5 said:
@WillieNegus : What did you eat today and these past few days? Knocking it out of the oark lately w your comments. Good stuff

Ah thanks! Your way of saying I’m usually full of shit?😂 No offense taken.lol.

wim

@WillieNegus said:

@Telstar5 said:
@WillieNegus : What did you eat today and these past few days? Knocking it out of the oark lately w your comments. Good stuff

Ah thanks! Your way of saying I’m usually full of shit?😂 No offense taken.lol.

I took it more like “Stay on your meds bud, they seem to be working!” 😂

[Deleted User]

@wim said:

@WillieNegus said:

@Telstar5 said:
@WillieNegus : What did you eat today and these past few days? Knocking it out of the oark lately w your comments. Good stuff

Ah thanks! Your way of saying I’m usually full of shit?😂 No offense taken.lol.

I took it more like “Stay on your meds bud, they seem to be working!” 😂

Well now that you’ve mentioned it, probably about that time!😩😂

JohnnyGoodyear

@wim said:

@WillieNegus said:

@Telstar5 said:
@WillieNegus : What did you eat today and these past few days? Knocking it out of the oark lately w your comments. Good stuff

Ah thanks! Your way of saying I’m usually full of shit?😂 No offense taken.lol.

I took it more like “Stay on your meds bud, they seem to be working!” 😂

Harsh, but -yeah- funny

[Deleted User]

I took it as funny also.... but seriously doubt @Telstar5 meant it in a harsh way. A few comments about SL may have had some impact. It really is inspiring kit. At any rate, always appreciate when someone acknowleges any positive impact one may have however small.

wim

Only meant as funny. Honest.

[Deleted User]

@wim said:
Only meant as funny. Honest.

I think everyone read the humor in it. So what’s your verdict on SL so far?

Telstar5

@WillieNegus said:
I took it as funny also.... but seriously doubt @Telstar5 meant it in a harsh way. A few comments about SL may have had some impact. It really is inspiring kit. At any rate, always appreciate when someone acknowleges any positive impact one may have however small.

@WillieNegus : Are you referring to my “knocking it out of the park” comment? It’s a baseball term as in home run. It was a compliment , I was saying how to the point and great your comments were! WTF?

wim

@WillieNegus said:
I think everyone read the humor in it. So what’s your verdict on SL so far?

👍

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/comment/572153/#Comment_572153

Telstar5

Totally misunderstood me . It was a positive comment on my part .

[Deleted User]

@Telstar5 said:
Totally misunderstood me . It was a positive comment on my part .

I really did take it as very positive. Thus the jest that I must usually be a prick.lol.

I give the credit to Stagelight. Unnexpected surprise that really is inspiring. I haven’t posted so much about anything except BM3 previously. Noir is also very very inspiring.