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good GOD. Leave it to Coates to explain this perfectly. And you weren’t lying about that question being cringe-worthy. Still thankful she asked it though.
Omg...inside this forum, sanctuary for musicians from all the world
you are discussing the problems of your fallen Babylon...
Yeah great response. Video is a must watch
It's just a harmless discussion. Nothing wrong with that. It's good to peacefully discuss these things from time to time. Some people learn from them
Well, @waterdrop, if you will recall, the Babylonian exiles hung up their musical instruments by the river. Hopefully this will never happen to you. This discussion is off topic and is a place where nonmusical things can be discussed. And this forum is indeed a sanctuary. Everything is on the table here, in its appropriate place, of course. Sometimes there is a boundary problem, but not in this case.
Would it be better if @WillieNegus had begun his post.... the source of music was at first the sounds of nature, but later, as the human psyche evolved, cries of joy and pain became source material for song?
As he and others have said context is everything, honey (see, you are offended by my use of the word, but my wife doesn't mind... thank you Mr. Coates). Really, I do not mean disrespect towards you, but to try to explain that sometimes the way music and the activities of the heart entwine are bigger than tapping your feet or dirty dancing. Even the way Willie introduced the subject was musical. If this forum is not a sanctuary for his poetry, no matter what the context, then I am out of here with a heavy heart.
Music is a very big picture and has always been used for protest in the US, especially by African Americans. Possibly one of the greatest songs of all time was written as a cry of anguish and realization by an ex slave trader. Do I have to say the title? I don't because everyone who is western and conscious knows it.
Music and the basic concepts of equality and freedom are inseparable. You cannot build a "Wall" around music. It needs no protection from the rigors of humanity. It gives voice to those difficulties and is balm for the troubled soul.
Music is the ultimate sanctuary, waterdrop, not this forum. And it can be used for any purpose, good or ill. Willie was brave and spoke with compassion, from his heart. And it was music,
Btw, if you were being sardonic in your post I apologize!
When I was young, before the terminology ‘politically correct’, we called it treating people with respect.
Was interested to learn Negus was Amharic...ha. I knew it from Star Trek, where they had a similar meaning, used by Ferengi.
WHAT?! Dude...I’m a closet Trekkie how’d I miss that? Those were the short little trollish critters with the lumpy heads. They spoke Amharic or called each other Negus?...either would be interesting. Very in fact.lol. At any rate...thanks and I agree...treating people with respect shouldn’t be a chore or task that requires so much effort. Sad that it appears to be the case these days.
Yes. They used a mishmash of words. They didint invest nearly as much there as with Klingon. I mean Ferengi is basically Russian for Foreigner iirc. But yes they call their leaders Negus, supreme leader was the Grand Negus. Deep Space 9
You’re the man for this Won. 🏆
It’s been years since I watched and was always amazed and curious about how the writers approached communication and creating so many alien languages. Obviously, the main shit was all in English and other than Spanish I wouldn’t recognize any other in such a context. I missed that they probably just threw all the world’s languages in some Bram Bos randomizer to come up with those ET tongues.lol
I'm probably the only person old enough on here who got that without clicking the link
I wish I hadn't clicked it mind, I'm going to be searching through and listening to stuff on there for days now...
Roy Plomley's castaway is singer Val Dooonican.
Favourite track: Choking On Your Screams by Motorhead
Book: Motherfucking Sharks by Brian Allen Carr
Luxury: Magnetic floating bed
I look at it more that everyone is actually the center of a specific universe, namely their own.
It is the source of the multiverse, each of us creates a separate reality/universe through our beliefs and experiences. Sometimes these overlap a lot, sometimes very little. But to each of us, the reality we carry around inside of us is the one true reality.
This is probably why we always think we are right.
Nice. I like it.
Very good.
Could never stand/be bothered with Desert Island Discs, but have a slew now to listen to while paddling up and down.....
Why am I so easily bothered? I am not easily bothered, however I do have legitimate concerns as per:
The World Was Just Issued 12-Year Ultimatum On Climate Change
Leading climate scientists paint dire portrait of years to come if we maintain carbon-emission status quo
By Katherine J. Wu
smithsonian.com
October 8, 2018
Today, the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change released a report on the forthcoming impacts of climate change. The consensus? It’s not looking good. As Jonathan Watts of The Guardian reports, unless the world makes some drastic and immediate changes to combat the damage already done, hundreds of millions of people may be irreversibly imperilled by drought, flooding, extreme heat and increased poverty in the decades to come.
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Three years ago, nations in the Paris agreement issued a pledge reduce greenhouse gases with the stringent goal of limiting the rise in temperature to 1.5 degrees Celsius (2.7 degrees Fahrenheit) above preindustrial levels, circa the 1850s. But scientists and climate researchers alike were quick to vocalize their doubts about the practicality of this cap. In fact, this goal felt so infeasible that a second was proposed in tandem: aiming to stall at a 2-degree-Celsius (3.6-degree-Fahrenheit) rise, which scientists then considered the threshold for the most severe effects of climate change, reports Coral Davenport for The New York Times.
But evidence in the new report, in which a team of 91 scientists from 40 countries analyzed over 6,000 scientific studies, shows that the future is bleaker than once thought. A 2-degree-Celsius rise in temperatures would spell widespread disaster. Even if the world manages to shave off that extra 0.5 degrees, we’ll still be well on our way to flooded coastlines, intensified droughts and debilitated industries. A seemingly small 1.5-degree-Celsius bump in temperature would also alter weather worldwide, wreaking havoc on agriculture and natural ecosystems, and cost about $54 trillion in damages, according to the report. Because agriculture is the leading source of income in already poor countries, it’s likely that a crippling wave of poverty would ensue.
To make matters worse, the world is already clocking in at 1-degree-Celsius warmer than preindustrial levels, which means we’re more than halfway there. At the rate we’re going, global temperatures are set to hit the mark by 2040—unless a lot changes, and fast.
“Limiting warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius is possible within the laws of chemistry and physics," energy policy expert Jim Skea of Imperial College London, one of the authors of the report, explains to Christopher Joyce at NPR. “But doing so would require unprecedented changes.”
Among them would be a 40 to 50 percent reduction in emissions by 2030—a mere 12 years from now—and a completely carbon-neutral world by 2050. Usage of coal as an electricity source would also have to take a significant plunge to make room for renewable energy, such as wind and solar, Davenport reports.
Climate scientists warn that these goals probably won’t be met without some serious new technological firepower designed to suck greenhouse gases back out of the air. Considering that such techniques could save us even in the event that we overshoot the 1.5-degree-Celsius mark, this route sounds pretty appealing. There’s just one problem: We still have to invent and conventionalize some of these tools before we can actually put them into use, Joyce reports.
Currently, a few experimental methods exist that can snatch carbon dioxide directly out of the air, but at up to $1,000 per ton of carbon dioxide, the price tag of such carbon capture is staggering—and billions of tons await extraction.
“The best way to remove carbon dioxide from the air,” explains MIT engineer Howard Herzog in his book Carbon Capture, is “to not release it into the air in the first place,” Joyce reports.
But the hurdles to clear aren’t just technological. As Davenport reports, the new study’s authors have already conceded that dampening the rise in temperature is probably “politically unlikely.” President Donald Trump announced intent to withdraw from the United States from the Paris agreement in 2017; it is now the only country publically opposing the accord. A recent U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration report estimated that maintaining the administration’s current course will yield a 4-degree Celsius (7-degree Fahrenheit) rise in temperature for the planet as a whole by the end of the current century. The report explicitly acknowledges the human impact on climate, but instead uses the data to justify continued non-action. In other words, the administration is arguing that our “fate is already sealed,” reports The Washington Post.
Hitting the 1.5-degree-Celsius goal won’t be easy. But saving a mere half-degree could make a huge difference in some parts of the world. For instance, it could pull corals back from the brink of complete eradication—an inevitable fate with a 2-degree-Celsius rise—and ease the severity of climate-related poverty, food shortages and water stress, Watts at The Guardian reports. And with scientists and government officials raising global alarm bells, perhaps there is hope that we can yet forestall the devastation.
“We have a monumental task in front of us, but it’s not impossible,” study co-author and climate scientist Natalie Mahowald of Cornell University tells Joyce at NPR. “This is our chance to decide what [the next 50 years] will look like.”
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/world-was-just-issued-12-year-ultimatum-climate-change-180970489/
I don't think my brain has ever been this far "Off Track" before on this forum... I like it.
I stepped away from this thread all day came back and must say...I agree man. I like it. I think this thread and everyone who contributed should be proud of this example and level of discussion, humor and civility on what could be viewed as a polarizing OP. Much lesser discussions have been reduced to noisy bullshit, insult slinging messes.
Last time I’ll mention how much I appreciate all of you before I return to my default sarcastically prickish persona around here.lol.
🙏🏾 Thanks for keeping it classy.
I keep waiting for a post like this:
“Who says I’m bothered! I’m not bothered! You’re the one who’s bothered! Stop bothering me!”
— random person
To my joy this thread has not degenerated.
I’m happy for posts that are off topic that push people’s beliefs and knowledge and give us insight to the facts we are all creatures on a rock hurtling around in an unfathomably large mostly empty volume of space for but a blip of time.
That makes for good discussion and lyrics and poetry, dare I say art. I’m interested in why, who, what, how and could give too shits about dogma.
Climate change, species decimation, ignorance, hate, fear etc there’s plenty to be bothered about! I’ll do my best to be in your face about things that need addressing vigorously but with respect.
Respect and peace @WillieNegus and everyone else in this forum
"Off Topic"
I hope this advances the discussion. Reading and listening to Ta-Nehisi Coates sends me through a lot of the emotional and historical baggage of race relations in the US. It gives me context and often helps me realize how I bring a lot of preconceived thinking to the conversation.
The biggest mistake is often assuming we can just compare 2 lives as having equal circumstances. Like writing "I worked my way through college twice and never needed any special assistance from anyone to succeed." But it's pretty clear I did get a lot of assistance that I never even stopped to consider and I never really faced any form of discrimination except that one time I need to fill a prescription in Hilo, Hawaii and I was reminded what Haole meant since I had grown up there on a Military Base and not really experienced the greater world of Hawaiian life. White folks don't get the royal treatment in the State Capitol. History, context and all that prevail with the tables turned.
The fact that you’ve read Ta-Neshi and lived in Hilo (very important place to me) means if you’re ever planning to be in LA, NY, Atl or Miami PM me and have dinner and drinks on me.
To be accurate I lived on Oahu on the Marine Corp base in Kaneohe when I was 5-8. Much later I visited the Big Island in the 90's as a perk by the Sales Organization of a Computer Company staying in the Big Resorts on the side of the island that looks like the surface of the moon (the Leeward side that ever gets any rain).
Sorry, no more traveling for me.
we're evolving as a species in some ways for sure but in some countries Gone with the Wind is still the #1 classic as are the 50s still considered to be the golden era for some people. I'm certain that as long as we have beat machines we will get through this.
@puppychumful, kudos for taking this offtopic thread even more offtopic! When reality becomes more catastrophic than the worst catastrophe movie it is surely time to pause, have a drink or toke, and consider the fallibility of humankind. Noam Chomsky speaks about the great unanswered question.. and it isn't climate change. It is nuclear extinction. They are racing each other to the finish line! I believe the infamous Doomsday Clock has been pushed forward recently. We are so benumbed that the ongoing Fukushima disaster and its consequences are not even on the radar for most of us, but it should be. Just take a Geiger counter with you next time you fly over the Midwest US. Way worse than Chernobyl and Japan seemingly not held accountable for the health and financial disaster worldwide thanks to their blundering, greed and incompetence. Sheeeit!
Babump, babump, babump, goes my little heart. If we weren't such an insignificant, beyond nanoscopic, part of this particular universe I would really be worried!
Ok, back on offtopic... yes, this is a wonderful thread. I feared the haters would rise, but, as @audiblevideo and @WillieNegus have noted this discussion has brought out the best in us, and the strength and solidarity evinced here is palpable. As I wrote Willie, we may not all be brothers in the hood, but we are feeling true brotherhood in this conversation and that is a powerful force not easily withered by those who get pleasure in lifting themselves up by pushing others down. I would hate to be on the shit end of this particular stick. Now can we all get back to being stupid, nit picky and opinionated?
Amen
Don’t know how I missed this... @ExAsperis99 🙏🏾. All who took time to watch it or consider these perspectives regardless of race, creed or nationality can draw parallels if they possess intellectual curiosity or a soul with an aptitude for understanding. Thanks man.