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Something which should in no way be confused with a suggestion to add more features to any current plugin or DAW, least of which @blueveek Piano Roll.
As one of the increasing number of MPE lovers on iOS, I perceive a whole lot of value in being able to edit everything together. Since every MPE note is in its own channel with its own automation/modulation, it’s both a major benefit of MPE and a major challenge for editors. The current implementations in DAWs aren’t necessarily optimal.
Among the apps which can at least record MPE sequences, I’ve played with:
iOS
Desktop
Bitwig is pretty much my favourite DAW, at this point, and it does a pretty decent job at editing MPE-specific automation/modulation (timbre and “micro-pitch expression” as well as pressure and velocity). But even that’s not quite optimal and I’m not really sure what would be.
It might be best to leave this problem for later.
It sounds like Roger Linn would even argue that it‘s not worth the effort. When I asked him about MPE editing, he was actually pretty dismissive of the concept. From what he told me, it sounds like: in his mind, as long as a DAW can record full MPE, you’re all set. If you need to edit, you should just practice more. (I’m sure I don’t do justice to his actual opinion, but his comment left me with a strong impression.)
So, again, this is explicitly not a plea to add CC recording to Piano Roll before releasing the plugin. And I’m not sure this plugin should ever be the one to support MPE editing. It’s more of something I want to throw out there to provide a broader context, in the off-chance that it might inspire others to do more work with MPE.
Maybe.. rather than asking @blueveek for his price.. we should instead say what we are prepared to pay.
I’ll start.
£9.99
$15 USD
yeah - £9.99 sounds about right. Maybe an intro price for a week at 6.99-7.99.
Here is my Pre-Release look at ATOM, it has it's own thread but I thought I'd stick it here too
Thanks Doug!
With this video out, I'm now happy to say that I've found a name for this plugin.
Yup, it's going to be called Atom | Piano Roll.
PS: Had no idea you were going to get it out so soon! You've only had half a day to mess with the app
@blueveek Thanks, you should check all the positive comments it’s already had on the channel too, people are loving this👍👊
That's a nice video from Doug indeed!
Noticed in the video Doug got a note 'doubled up' (the snare) on the same step, how do we identify this without having to delete the note? (Maybe the version in the video is not the 'final' version?).
But yeah, I'll be getting this on launch as I've been saving my store credits for 'worthy' apps and this definitely seems to be one of those
Great name - and the app icon is awesome too!!
Maybe I missed it, so excuse me. But is there a 'undo?
Looking good & great choice of name!!
Will be interested in how to get midi in & out of these atoms....
The first thing I'll have to try is ATOM in apeMatrix to build a MIDI loop recorder
You do know he hinted at IAP for further updates> @Jumpercollins said:
Sure would be nice to have the AUM update with ATOM...
P Lock controls linked to notes sounds great.
Perhaps a seperate app which focuses on automation without notes would be another consideration as I do find myself wanting to create control sequences without notes. The resolution of the CC messages seems like it could be a consideration too.
Being able to take advantage of the high resolution of AUv3 parameters seems like it would be a nice way to have smoother control with less of a stepping effect. Could this be a third app and is there even a way to transfer AUv3 parameter automation information between different AUv3 apps within an AUv3 host?
@blueveek Will it be possible to 'switch' the active clip that is edited and still stay in the same window?
From what I've seen it's already possible to 'underlay/ghost' other active clips in the same window so the logical question here is how to select which of the clips to edit without having to swap windows?
I guess the scale selector is also something that could be optimised a bit to avoid sideways scrolling?
Looking forward to spend some time with this once released
@blueveek .. Thank you so much for this incredible extension to AUM .. instant buy .. just what i was looking for .. and maybe give the people at the FB ipad musicans a visit if you use FB .. https://www.facebook.com/groups/Ipadmusician/ .. but for now, rest on your laurels (but not for too long) ..
So no GarageBand?
Apple has not updated GarageBand to support any MIDI audio units. This is the reason why Atom, like any other MIDI audio unit on the App Store, is not supported. Hopefully Apple's going to step up their game soon.
I agree on this one. It looks super cool, but functionally, a simple drop-down list would be much easier. Lotta scrolling to get to that good ol’ minor pentatonic.
Perhaps we could Favorite oft-used scales so they appear at the far left?
Great idea!
I prefer the switches, so that you can compare scales to already existing notes and see what fits best. As a noodler, I like to play first, then figure out what I played later.
Perhaps more ideally, the list could already suggest what fits best instead of leaving it up to you.
Got it!!! Hope to soon cause it’s a great editor
Yes please! Brilliant.
One thing making me especially happy about Atom is the thought of not having to adapt to the various piano rolls of the different hosts I like to use. For better or worse, I switch off between hosts, and have never settled on a clear favorite. But there’s always that sense of being lost in the piano roll at first since they’re all different. I’m looking forward to just jumping in with Atom, then recording the output to the native piano roll if the situation warrants it. Auria Pro especially comes to mind. Hugely powerful midi tools; piano roll I always have to struggle to re-acquire.
Woah! Exactly my workflow. Noodle first figuring out later. Would be awesome to have an app suggesting which key I am in! Yeah!
Boy that sounds like an awesome idea!
Yesterday i converted an older AUM project that used BeatHawk as an 16channel midi sequencer to now use Atoms instead.
@blueveek
Here are my remarks from this conversion experience
I recorded each of the BHs midi channels to a unique Atom, Since the BH source is 8 bars i first had set Atom’s region to 8 bars, selected Loop-Record, Rewind and Play AUM and the midi was recorded - easy. But since i did not manage to stop recording just after 8 bars, the first notes were overdubbed so Atom contained doble notes.
In the one case where a short and long version of a note starting at the same time overlapped (probably pressed stop during that one) i could see the end of the short note when i zoomed in deep, but i still was not able to select only the short note.
Now it‘s using 21 AUM channels instead of 12 - the AUM update with midi slots will unclutter this
With this version when you save this complex AUM Project does each Atom's MIDI Sequence get saved too?