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it looks very impressive! I think the price I‘m willing to pay for this doubled over the last two pages of this thread ...
Er, the app isn’t even out yet...
@tja you are obsessed! This app is not released yet. If you are looking for @blueveek’s current app then it is called Midi Tools by Victor Porof - you can find it by searching the name of the app ‘Midi tools’ in the AppStore https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/midi-tools/id1446209019?mt=8
(Blueveek is just his Audiobus Forum handle. Just like if you are looking for Cubasis on the AppStore you will not find it by searching for LFS...)
This is the closest thing to a game changer that I’ve seen since I joined this forum 😋
@tja you’re a good sport, though 😉 👍
Sounds great, @blueveek! Looking forward to seeing where this goes. I too love the scale overlays and the shaded viz of other sequences. That could maybe work well in the automation view, too
Display the other automation parameter(s) in a background shade (could be another parameter of the same instance, or even from another instance).
This loaded into AUM looks like nirvana.
I can't wait to do some of this
I can already see ‘Scales and Onions ‘ influencing Desktop DAWs.. Imagine having multiple piano roll working in FLStudio or Ableton....
Probability would be crazy with this..
Fairly nice explanation. Can’t wait to implement something like this in @blueveek Piano Roll. But don’t we have tools that already come close to this? For instance, isn’t Fugue Machine designed around similar ideas? Haven’t used it in a while, so I can’t remember if it has enough randomness.
My own approach has been to create MIDI loops of different lengths using Rozeta Bassline (or Cells) and add some mutation (skipping notes, changing note order, applying Autony “unreliability”, etc.). StepPolyArp also allows note order to be random. And there’s always the idea of using a random source to trigger sequences in another plugin, which requires a bit more setup but could work relatively well if you want recognizable patterns (like Forbes did in that video).
As @brambos has described in his recent post announcing Mozaic, there’s a growing demand for tools to work in all sorts of edge cases. It’s obvious that Piano Roll will help a lot but there’s a lot to be said about using a variety of tools together. Like, feeding LFO from one plugin to modulate a synth playing an evolving harmony set against a self-generating bassline and interacting with a mutating drumbeat, all recorded on different MIDI tracks and triggered at will. Sure, the same type of thing is possible on the desktop with Pure Data or Max/MSP. But it’s more fun on iOS, isn’t it?
FugueMachine IMHOP is not really a randomness kind of tool. But incase you haven't been trolling the Audiobus forums like some of us @Alexandernaut updated FugueMachine to work as an AU. So now you can put 4 tracks of fugue playing up against 4 tracks of fugue.
You should check out an older app by @artkerns midiFILTr-PG its got several options for structured variation in whether a midi trigger happens bordering on randomness. (PS Art if you're listening please make it AU
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Glad I mentioned it! A big part of the reason FM had dropped off my iPad Pro is because it wasn’t AU. And it’s true that I’ve been less active on this forum over the past few months, so I didn’t follow this part of the saga.
After opening it again for the first time in a while, I agree that it doesn’t sound like it supports the kind of randomness described in that video (most of which is about human intervention, but still…). Could be a nice feature to add to FM.
There are other plugins which do support some level of randomness. So there’s quite a bit of potential in plugging them together with those which are more specifically about reliably reproducing certain patterns.
@Enkerli PolyPhase
might be another app for you to at least look at. 4 channels all which can be related or not related to each other for which each has a user prescribable amount of note duration repetition etc. My explanation is poor
Not AU but midi routing for each voice (ios and hardware) w an included wavetable synth thats sounds really nice.
There's also Aphelian with 4 tracks and assignable durations. Unique is its modulation moons and pattern shapes that trigger notes based on keys selected and the note map its sits upon.
YES! Lots of tools
For me having lots of generators is great they all contribute something unique. I was waiting for a midi recorder (which we not have in Photon), an audio loop recorder (AU Enso) which we now have (to keep AUM routing and complexity down), and the final piece of my puzzle @blueveek Piano roll AU.
I'm imagining setting up generators - recording in Photon / Enso
Looping and adjusting in Piano Roll AU.
Transferring parts to Xequence for midi arranging. Sounds to DAW.
Who knows it might change.
In no way does Fugue Machine's AUv3 update dampen my excitement for this piano roll.
Thinking about all the ways I personally compose midi patterns — which involves harmonising melodies with chord sequences, switching keys, capturing incoming midi then fine tuning...
This is the one.
Bu> @tk32 said:
Yes.. So looking forward to this..
Another piano roll editor in AUv3 that I haven't seen mentioned in this thread is BeatHawk. It has multitrack step editing, song mode, MIDI recording and MIDI export. The only glaring drawback that I'm aware of is inability to import MIDI patterns.
UVI BeatHawk | Step and Piano Roll Editor
And that everything is in 4/4 time which unfortunately is fairly typical for iOS music.
Is the audioveek piano roll going to be limited to only 4/4 time signature?
Victor (Audioveek) has assured me that v1.0 will have full time signature controls (per clip), so this will allow all kinds of classical, jazz and experimental time signatures such as 5/4, 6/8 etc..
Plus flexible control over clip length. Polyrythms here we come
Will it be possible to live transpose by midi note input?
The other glaring deficit.. Though BH does quantize down to 1/64 triplets, or 24 grid lines per beat.
I'm not trying to solicit a direct comparison; just noting prior work.
Beathawk is not a very nice workflow, it's UI is a bit clunky in AU, plus it has serious issues running multiple instances and remembering what it was doing (acknowledged bug by UVI, fix was promised to happen, never has)
Hopefully this has nice touch support because right now every piano roll I have tried on IOS has been extremely hard work to use, especially when it comes to note entry and zoom.
Yes. Clip triggering will respect incoming note as pattern root.
@blueveek, I know this isn't the right thread, but I just wanted to thank you again for MIDI Tools. I have done your workaround re saving the keyboard zone settings in projects in Cubasis and that works just like a Preset for me. Workflow now unimpaired! And tremendous usefulness for me as it allows me to separate my improvising hands into bass and mid/treble tracks. Gratitude!
Imagination........
This little Piano roll is going to be huge for AUM users. With it we will finally have a true modular workflow inside of AUM.
This is going to be huge and a definite game changer. Thanks @blueveek for having the vision to materialize this in our little corner of space. 💗👊🏼™️
Totally agree with the above it looks very flexible.