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  • @david_2017 said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @reasOne said:

    @BroCoast said:
    Still no crashes for me.

    2 channels of external audio or Animoog
    2 x Enso instances, 1x Eos2 send, Flux:FX
    128 Samples 44.1k

    Long off, 4 x Measure and kept in constant overdub.

    Dang two animoog! IPhone version too?

    Yeah, neat little trick! :wink:

    Great idea. Awesome trick!
    Will you share what presets you used? Or timbre pack or is it all self dialed in patches? Sounding really awesome. My cup of tea ☕️

    I definitely used "Dawn Warmth" from the pads presets and "Shiny Dots" from the keyboards presets for the majority of it.

  • those two presets are great I'm guilty of abusing them, I also bought some preset packs that I abuse often> @BroCoast said:

    @david_2017 said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @reasOne said:

    @BroCoast said:
    Still no crashes for me.

    2 channels of external audio or Animoog
    2 x Enso instances, 1x Eos2 send, Flux:FX
    128 Samples 44.1k

    Long off, 4 x Measure and kept in constant overdub.

    Dang two animoog! IPhone version too?

    Yeah, neat little trick! :wink:

    Great idea. Awesome trick!
    Will you share what presets you used? Or timbre pack or is it all self dialed in patches? Sounding really awesome. My cup of tea ☕️

    I definitely used "Dawn Warmth" from the pads presets and "Shiny Dots" from the keyboards presets for the majority of it.

  • @BroCoast said:

    @david_2017 said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @reasOne said:

    @BroCoast said:
    Still no crashes for me.

    2 channels of external audio or Animoog
    2 x Enso instances, 1x Eos2 send, Flux:FX
    128 Samples 44.1k

    Long off, 4 x Measure and kept in constant overdub.

    Dang two animoog! IPhone version too?

    Yeah, neat little trick! :wink:

    Great idea. Awesome trick!
    Will you share what presets you used? Or timbre pack or is it all self dialed in patches? Sounding really awesome. My cup of tea ☕️

    I definitely used "Dawn Warmth" from the pads presets and "Shiny Dots" from the keyboards presets for the majority of it.

    Thank you very much. These are awesome.
    If ever SynthJacker will get an iaa update ( or Audiobus?!) I have the first two patches that will get into AudioLayer;)

  • @david_2017 said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @david_2017 said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @reasOne said:

    @BroCoast said:
    Still no crashes for me.

    2 channels of external audio or Animoog
    2 x Enso instances, 1x Eos2 send, Flux:FX
    128 Samples 44.1k

    Long off, 4 x Measure and kept in constant overdub.

    Dang two animoog! IPhone version too?

    Yeah, neat little trick! :wink:

    Great idea. Awesome trick!
    Will you share what presets you used? Or timbre pack or is it all self dialed in patches? Sounding really awesome. My cup of tea ☕️

    I definitely used "Dawn Warmth" from the pads presets and "Shiny Dots" from the keyboards presets for the majority of it.

    Thank you very much. These are awesome.
    If ever SynthJacker will get an iaa update ( or Audiobus?!) I have the first two patches that will get into AudioLayer;)

    Whoa, I didn't know about Synthjacker. :+1:

    Enso does seem to crash randomly for inexplicable reasons. I had a session set to 81bpm and it crashed over and over, then just decided to behave. Now I can't make it crash again :confused:

    I hope it gets some attention. Midi CC control of the FX parameters would be a nice touch.

  • Crashes every time I wanna use it after it records, kinda unusable unfortunately, but I don't think it's in the plans to fix it

  • Before you buy again some app from AD, maybe you want to remember that ENSO bugs and no response is a normal thing from the developer....

    https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=173034&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=325

    https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=196645&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

  • edited May 2019

    @OnfraySin said:
    Before you buy again some app from AD, maybe you want to remember that ENSO bugs and no response is a normal thing from the developer....

    https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=173034&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=325

    https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=196645&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

    A lot of drama involving Chris, not to mention his "nerd flame war" over pirated AD plugins.

    I'd be annoyed if I had bought AD euro modules that didn't work but you know (not excusing any of that) shit is pretty sketchy in eurorack.

    It's also pretty sketchy in iOS too.

    I'll take semi broken Enso and EOS2 apps over not having them at all.

  • edited May 2019

    @BroCoast said:

    @OnfraySin said:
    Before you buy again some app from AD, maybe you want to remember that ENSO bugs and no response is a normal thing from the developer....

    https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=173034&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=325

    https://www.muffwiggler.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=196645&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

    A lot of drama involving Chris, not to mention his "nerd flame war" over pirated AD plugins.

    I'd be annoyed if I had bought AD euro modules that didn't work but you know (not excusing any of that) shit is pretty sketchy in eurorack.

    It's also pretty sketchy in iOS too.

    I'll take semi broken Enso and EOS2 apps over not having them at all.

    Took a look at the thread out of curiosity. It's always been clear from the way he used to type here that he has a phony arrogance about him. That's cool, everybody has character flaws. He also made it clear on here, and I'm paraphrasing, that customer service is not a priority for him and he enjoys instead following where his ideas lead him. Fair enough, at least he was straight-up about that. He's obviously talented, so he by and large gets away with it. Would I run a company like him? Of course not.

    I buy their stuff assuming they are 'as-is' items. Of course, that's easier to say when spending $5 vs. hundreds of dollars. The user whose solution was to torrent all their software had the right idea for breaking even on his money.

  • Reviewing the thread here, my take on this developer’s attitude is more “ hey Apple, let me release my apps”.

    Well, for f*ck sake, maybe they should have taken a closer look at this scam artist’s attitude toward “customer service”.

    Seriously, is anyone using enso in a live situation?

  • @zilld2017 said:
    Reviewing the thread here, my take on this developer’s attitude is more “ hey Apple, let me release my apps”.

    Well, for f*ck sake, maybe they should have taken a closer look at this scam artist’s attitude toward “customer service”.

    Seriously, is anyone using enso in a live situation?

    The app cost $5 and you can get a refund. :)

  • edited May 2019

    I use Enso a lot, almost no crashes with one single instance (I use it in AUM or AB with also Loopy on 7 Plus), but I will not use it in true live situations. Because almost no crashes is not zero crashes, and because there are other issues, like tap record via midi on freshly loaded AUM/AB preset always play blank infinite loop instead of recording, and other important features which IMO are missing, like stop on loop lenght count, etc... Add to this zero answers to my mails since app launch. For maximum reliability, Loopy is the way to go. I have also to beta test Grouptheloop on the iPhone, if most of the features I need are there, this could be interesting too. Devs who listen to users is crucial for live setups which use apps.

  • Could it be hosting in AUM might be an issue?

    6 instances in AB3 at 128 samples. Won't crash :)

  • edited May 2019

    @BroCoast said:
    Could it be hosting in AUM might be an issue?

    6 instances in AB3 at 128 samples. Won't crash :)

    By Jove, I think you’ve got it, BroCoast!

    4 instances in ApeMatrix at 256...no crash/freeze—60 mins and counting.

    [important edit: no clicks!]

    Like AM a lot, but love AUM. Hope this can be fixed.

    Thanks, bro.

  • @BroCoast and @zilld2017 : what hardware are you running on?

  • 2018 iPad Pro 12.9

  • edited May 2019

    Don't think I've had that many issues with Enso - apart from when I've tried deleting a recording and starting again - that tends to freeze it up. Just tested two instances, fed from Factory, and a load of other stuff running and no problems at all, seems happy enough on the Air 2.

  • @zilld2017 said:
    2018 iPad Pro 12.9

    I suspect that the people that find it reliably stable with more than 2 or 3 instances are running iPad Pros.

    And before you say "what do you expect?", I want to mention that kosmonaut and re-1 are more reliable with a similar number of instances.

    I love Enso. So, don't get me wrong. I do think it has kinks that the developer should work out that can't just be blamed on the OS or unrealistic user expectations.

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @zilld2017 said:
    2018 iPad Pro 12.9

    I suspect that the people that find it reliably stable with more than 2 or 3 instances are running iPad Pros.

    And before you say "what do you expect?", I want to mention that kosmonaut and re-1 are more reliable with a similar number of instances.

    I love Enso. So, don't get me wrong. I do think it has kinks that the developer should work out that can't just be blamed on the OS or unrealistic user expectations.

    I've just run two Enso's, three Factory's, a Ruismaker, XOX, Fugue, Turnado and a Discord 4 without any issues on my Air 2....

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @zilld2017 said:
    2018 iPad Pro 12.9

    I suspect that the people that find it reliably stable with more than 2 or 3 instances are running iPad Pros.

    And before you say "what do you expect?", I want to mention that kosmonaut and re-1 are more reliable with a similar number of instances.

    I love Enso. So, don't get me wrong. I do think it has kinks that the developer should work out that can't just be blamed on the OS or unrealistic user expectations.

    I've just run two Enso's, three Factory's, a Ruismaker, XOX, Fugue, Turnado and a Discord 4 without any issues on my Air 2....

    As those of us running into problems keep saying, the crashes are unpredictable. I get none with 2 on my iPad 6th gen. in AUM. Rarely with 3. More frequently with 4. This is even with just tonestack running.

    In Auria Pro, even 2 aren't consistently reliable--though the others I mentioned are reliable.

    I totally understand that not everyone is running into these issues. But that is also the nature of some sorts of bugs. Just because some people don't experience the issue doesn't mean there isn't an issue.

    There are enough savvy experienced users experiencing these issues that I think it is fair to say that this isn't just noobs having unrealistic expectations.

  • edited May 2019

    @espiegel123 said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @zilld2017 said:
    2018 iPad Pro 12.9

    I suspect that the people that find it reliably stable with more than 2 or 3 instances are running iPad Pros.

    And before you say "what do you expect?", I want to mention that kosmonaut and re-1 are more reliable with a similar number of instances.

    I love Enso. So, don't get me wrong. I do think it has kinks that the developer should work out that can't just be blamed on the OS or unrealistic user expectations.

    I've just run two Enso's, three Factory's, a Ruismaker, XOX, Fugue, Turnado and a Discord 4 without any issues on my Air 2....

    I totally understand that not everyone is running into these issues. But that is also the nature of some sorts of bugs. Just because some people don't experience the issue doesn't mean there isn't an issue.

    There are enough savvy experienced users experiencing these issues that I think it is fair to say that this isn't just noobs having unrealistic expectations.

    I didn't say there wasn't an issue for others or that it's down to 'noobs having unrealistic expectations', and as I mentioned it freezes on me when I delete a recording.

    Just passing on my experience of using it with an Air 2 and responding to your comment "I suspect that the people that find it reliably stable with more than 2 or 3 instances are running iPad Pros", as I can quite happily run two instances on my Air 2 and a whole bunch of other stuff at the same time.

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @zilld2017 said:
    2018 iPad Pro 12.9

    I suspect that the people that find it reliably stable with more than 2 or 3 instances are running iPad Pros.

    And before you say "what do you expect?", I want to mention that kosmonaut and re-1 are more reliable with a similar number of instances.

    I love Enso. So, don't get me wrong. I do think it has kinks that the developer should work out that can't just be blamed on the OS or unrealistic user expectations.

    I've just run two Enso's, three Factory's, a Ruismaker, XOX, Fugue, Turnado and a Discord 4 without any issues on my Air 2....

    I totally understand that not everyone is running into these issues. But that is also the nature of some sorts of bugs. Just because some people don't experience the issue doesn't mean there isn't an issue.

    There are enough savvy experienced users experiencing these issues that I think it is fair to say that this isn't just noobs having unrealistic expectations.

    I didn't say there wasn't an issue for others or that it's down to 'noobs having unrealistic expectations', and as I mentioned it freezes on me when I delete a recording.

    Just passing on my experience of using it with an Air 2 and responding to your comment "I suspect that the people that find it reliably stable with more than 2 or 3 instances are running iPad Pros", as I can quite happily run two instances on my Air 2 and a whole bunch of other stuff at the same time.

    As noted earlier, the issues seem to be with more than 2 or 3. So, your use-case (2) seems to fall in that zone where it seems to be generally reliable.

  • Curious .. I was always using it with Overdub mode off. But last couple times I turned overdub on and didn't have issues...will see if that holds up.

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @zilld2017 said:
    2018 iPad Pro 12.9

    I suspect that the people that find it reliably stable with more than 2 or 3 instances are running iPad Pros.

    And before you say "what do you expect?", I want to mention that kosmonaut and re-1 are more reliable with a similar number of instances.

    I love Enso. So, don't get me wrong. I do think it has kinks that the developer should work out that can't just be blamed on the OS or unrealistic user expectations.

    I've just run two Enso's, three Factory's, a Ruismaker, XOX, Fugue, Turnado and a Discord 4 without any issues on my Air 2....

    I totally understand that not everyone is running into these issues. But that is also the nature of some sorts of bugs. Just because some people don't experience the issue doesn't mean there isn't an issue.

    There are enough savvy experienced users experiencing these issues that I think it is fair to say that this isn't just noobs having unrealistic expectations.

    I didn't say there wasn't an issue for others or that it's down to 'noobs having unrealistic expectations', and as I mentioned it freezes on me when I delete a recording.

    Just passing on my experience of using it with an Air 2 and responding to your comment "I suspect that the people that find it reliably stable with more than 2 or 3 instances are running iPad Pros", as I can quite happily run two instances on my Air 2 and a whole bunch of other stuff at the same time.

    As noted earlier, the issues seem to be with more than 2 or 3. So, your use-case (2) seems to fall in that zone where it seems to be generally reliable.

    Well that would be down to the device then, not Enso. I’ve just added a third to the setup listed above, cpu at 50% and zero issues. I can try a fourth if it makes you happy, but personally I’m pretty chuffed I can run that lot on an Air 2, considering it can barely run two instances of Model D.

  • edited May 2019

    I have an iPad pro 2017 I think lol it's 2017.
    One instance of enso, crashes when I minimize it's.... do anything else in my AUM session and come back to it.... I Just get that red circle around it in AUM and anything I recorded is gone... Sad can't even save it.... Just gone, and I don't want to constantly save it either, that's dumb and wastes valuable space on my iPad
    Was very stoked for this app, but now im really scared to use it, make something I like then lose it... Maybe this is why Apple didn't approve it and it took so long ? I dunno

  • edited May 2019

    @reasOne said:
    I have an iPad pro 2017 I think lol it's 2017.
    One instance if enso, crashes when I minimize it, do anything else in my AUM session and come back to it.... Just get that red circle around it in AUM and anything I recorded is gone...
    Was very stoked for this app, but now im really scared to use it, make something I like then lose it... Maybe this is why Apple didn't approve it and it took so long ? I dunno

    Must be some weird device related problem - my Air 2 is no speed demon, and I'm usually fairly restricted to what I can run with AUM, but no problems with three Enso's just now...

    Be interested to hear if other Air 2 users are having issues or not.

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @reasOne said:
    I have an iPad pro 2017 I think lol it's 2017.
    One instance if enso, crashes when I minimize it, do anything else in my AUM session and come back to it.... Just get that red circle around it in AUM and anything I recorded is gone...
    Was very stoked for this app, but now im really scared to use it, make something I like then lose it... Maybe this is why Apple didn't approve it and it took so long ? I dunno

    Must be device related - my Air 2 is no speed demon, and I'm usually fairly restricted to what I can run with AUM, but no problems with three Enso's just now...

    Could be, I feel like it just isn't stable at all with my iPad then, too bad cuz it coulda been pretty rad

  • Same issue on my iPhone xs max , so I guess all my devices are the problem.... Not enso 😂😂

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @zilld2017 said:
    2018 iPad Pro 12.9

    I suspect that the people that find it reliably stable with more than 2 or 3 instances are running iPad Pros.

    And before you say "what do you expect?", I want to mention that kosmonaut and re-1 are more reliable with a similar number of instances.

    I love Enso. So, don't get me wrong. I do think it has kinks that the developer should work out that can't just be blamed on the OS or unrealistic user expectations.

    I've just run two Enso's, three Factory's, a Ruismaker, XOX, Fugue, Turnado and a Discord 4 without any issues on my Air 2....

    I totally understand that not everyone is running into these issues. But that is also the nature of some sorts of bugs. Just because some people don't experience the issue doesn't mean there isn't an issue.

    There are enough savvy experienced users experiencing these issues that I think it is fair to say that this isn't just noobs having unrealistic expectations.

    I didn't say there wasn't an issue for others or that it's down to 'noobs having unrealistic expectations', and as I mentioned it freezes on me when I delete a recording.

    Just passing on my experience of using it with an Air 2 and responding to your comment "I suspect that the people that find it reliably stable with more than 2 or 3 instances are running iPad Pros", as I can quite happily run two instances on my Air 2 and a whole bunch of other stuff at the same time.

    As noted earlier, the issues seem to be with more than 2 or 3. So, your use-case (2) seems to fall in that zone where it seems to be generally reliable.

    Well that would be down to the device then, not Enso. I’ve just added a third to the setup listed above, cpu at 50% and zero issues. I can try a fourth if it makes you happy, but personally I’m pretty chuffed I can run that lot on an Air 2, considering it can barely run two instances of Model D.

    As an FYI, my crashes are unrelated to CPU load. On my machine Enso is as likely to crash when CPU load is low as when it is high. My spidey sense is that there is a memory leak that may be triggered by some combination of settings or actions. This would explain why it happens more frequently for some than others. As the steps that set it up may be something not everyone does.

    Before anyone asks, I never have long memory turned on.

    In any case, I can workaround it by only using Enso when I need its special features and not for simple looping. For simple looping, I use Loopy if I need lots of loops. (12 loops is no problem))

  • Be interested to know if the stability issues are related to AUM rather than hardware...

    From my own experience and a few others, Enso seems to be usable in Audiobus and apeMatrix.

    Anyone else try it in either of those?

  • wimwim
    edited May 2019

    @zilld2017 said:
    Be interested to know if the stability issues are related to AUM rather than hardware...

    From my own experience and a few others, Enso seems to be usable in Audiobus and apeMatrix.

    Anyone else try it in either of those?

    It’s been stable for me in Audiobus on my Air 2. I don’t work it too hard usually though. Unfortunately I haven’t tried it much in AUM or Ape, so I can’t compare.

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