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  • @inakarmacoma said:
    I really need to read the Enso manual. No joke, so few buttons, beautiful... Yet I'm always clicking everything like a doofus and praying it does what I think it's going to do. Still not sure how to get the layers working. It's my fault. RTFM, right?

    Watch the video "Introduction to Enso." By the end you should be an Enso Master.

    @[Deleted User] said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @BroCoast said:

    Could it be hosting in AUM might be an issue?

    6 instances in AB3 at 128 samples. Won't crash :)

    Just to follow up on this, I've done a little more testing with non Audio Damage AU and AUM.

    In Audiobus I can pile on AU until it's a crackling mess. I can make adjustments in the AU windows and it won't crash.

    In AUM I can load up the same amount, bring it to a crackling mess but as soon as a I adjust anything in the AU windows or in some cases even bring them up = crash.

    It's clearly an AUM issue.

    Interesting, so is enso stable in another hosts? I had terrible issues with AD Quanta and developer took a year to fix most of them. Even now it doesn't work correctly for me so I'm very dubious about buying AD apps now.

    Since I made that post, I've changed my mind on this. It's not any more stable in other hosts, they all have the same crashing issues. I hope it's something Chris can fix on his end rather than some iOS graphics/memory issue.

  • @BroCoast said:

    @inakarmacoma said:
    I really need to read the Enso manual. No joke, so few buttons, beautiful... Yet I'm always clicking everything like a doofus and praying it does what I think it's going to do. Still not sure how to get the layers working. It's my fault. RTFM, right?

    Watch the video "Introduction to Enso." By the end you should be an Enso Master.

    @[Deleted User] said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @BroCoast said:

    Could it be hosting in AUM might be an issue?

    6 instances in AB3 at 128 samples. Won't crash :)

    Just to follow up on this, I've done a little more testing with non Audio Damage AU and AUM.

    In Audiobus I can pile on AU until it's a crackling mess. I can make adjustments in the AU windows and it won't crash.

    In AUM I can load up the same amount, bring it to a crackling mess but as soon as a I adjust anything in the AU windows or in some cases even bring them up = crash.

    It's clearly an AUM issue.

    Interesting, so is enso stable in another hosts? I had terrible issues with AD Quanta and developer took a year to fix most of them. Even now it doesn't work correctly for me so I'm very dubious about buying AD apps now.

    Since I made that post, I've changed my mind on this. It's not any more stable in other hosts, they all have the same crashing issues. I hope it's something Chris can fix on his end rather than some iOS graphics/memory issue.

    Thanks for the intel. I’m not convinced on this app.

  • @[Deleted User] said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @inakarmacoma said:
    I really need to read the Enso manual. No joke, so few buttons, beautiful... Yet I'm always clicking everything like a doofus and praying it does what I think it's going to do. Still not sure how to get the layers working. It's my fault. RTFM, right?

    Watch the video "Introduction to Enso." By the end you should be an Enso Master.

    @[Deleted User] said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @BroCoast said:

    Could it be hosting in AUM might be an issue?

    6 instances in AB3 at 128 samples. Won't crash :)

    Just to follow up on this, I've done a little more testing with non Audio Damage AU and AUM.

    In Audiobus I can pile on AU until it's a crackling mess. I can make adjustments in the AU windows and it won't crash.

    In AUM I can load up the same amount, bring it to a crackling mess but as soon as a I adjust anything in the AU windows or in some cases even bring them up = crash.

    It's clearly an AUM issue.

    Interesting, so is enso stable in another hosts? I had terrible issues with AD Quanta and developer took a year to fix most of them. Even now it doesn't work correctly for me so I'm very dubious about buying AD apps now.

    Since I made that post, I've changed my mind on this. It's not any more stable in other hosts, they all have the same crashing issues. I hope it's something Chris can fix on his end rather than some iOS graphics/memory issue.

    Thanks for the intel. I’m not convinced on this app.

    It's my favourite app on iOS. :lol:

    Somebody needs to fix whatever the problem is. Just as an AU audio recorder it fills a huge hole in iOS music making.

  • Random messy soundscape using 6 Enso instances:

    The interesting thing is that if I add any kind of IAA (fullscreen) app to that session in place of an AU, it's insta crash.

    I need to investigate further but I am starting to think that Enso/AUM won't crash if only AU apps are used. The above session is using extremely resource hungry apps like Model 15 with no issues.

  • @BroCoast said:
    Random messy soundscape using 6 Enso instances:

    The interesting thing is that if I add any kind of IAA (fullscreen) app to that session in place of an AU, it's insta crash.

    I need to investigate further but I am starting to think that Enso/AUM won't crash if only AU apps are used. The above session is using extremely resource hungry apps like Model 15 with no issues.

    On my iPad gen 6, the crashes are just as likely with only AUs as without.

    I suspect that AD has decided that given the low price, they aren't going to break their necks to make it super stable. As far as I know, no one that has reported enso
    crashes has heard back.

  • edited July 2019

    @espiegel123 said:

    @BroCoast said:
    Random messy soundscape using 6 Enso instances:

    The interesting thing is that if I add any kind of IAA (fullscreen) app to that session in place of an AU, it's insta crash.

    I need to investigate further but I am starting to think that Enso/AUM won't crash if only AU apps are used. The above session is using extremely resource hungry apps like Model 15 with no issues.

    On my iPad gen 6, the crashes are just as likely with only AUs as without.

    I suspect that AD has decided that given the low price, they aren't going to break their necks to make it super stable. As far as I know, no one that has reported enso
    crashes has heard back.

    I could still crash it with just AU if I really forced it to happen. I've just noticed I can reproduce this type of crash here by simply loading 4 enso and an IAA of any kind into AUM. Notice how when it crashes, AUM shows a screen without the other channels.

    I feel like if we can find the direct cause of the crashes it might help Chris in being able to fix it without him spending too much time trying to find what is causing it.

  • @BroCoast said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @BroCoast said:
    Random messy soundscape using 6 Enso instances:

    The interesting thing is that if I add any kind of IAA (fullscreen) app to that session in place of an AU, it's insta crash.

    I need to investigate further but I am starting to think that Enso/AUM won't crash if only AU apps are used. The above session is using extremely resource hungry apps like Model 15 with no issues.

    On my iPad gen 6, the crashes are just as likely with only AUs as without.

    I suspect that AD has decided that given the low price, they aren't going to break their necks to make it super stable. As far as I know, no one that has reported enso
    crashes has heard back.

    I could still crash it with just AU if I really forced it to happen. I've just noticed I can reproduce this type of crash here by simply loading 4 enso and an IAA of any kind into AUM:

    I feel like if we can find the direct cause of the crashes it might help Chris in being able to fix it without him spending too much time trying to find what is causing it.

    I have reported a 100% reproducible issue in another host. In AUM, I reported steps that are reproducible with effort.

    The erratic-ness seems like what you see with a memory leak.

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  • @BroCoast said:
    Watch the video "Introduction to Enso." By the end you should be an Enso Master.

    This one, right? :wink:

    Surely not this one :)

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  • edited July 2019

    @EyeOhEss said:
    Cant help thinking iOS version could have had some tweaks that would have been great for touchscsreen. Like ability to select/move loop/segment regions via finger on the circular wav display?? It’s right there in front of me but I have to use the numerical values to dial in regions. Would have been much quicker/more organic and fun to stumble on regions if could do it via touch...

    Good app for the price though.

    Yes that would be killer being able to place the segment via touch. :+1:

    Do you have Spacecraft? I have been enjoying saving an Enso buffer then loading it into Spacecraft to play over the top of the original loop.

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  • @EyeOhEss said:
    Also really wish it had threshold auto-start option for looping. And/or applied tiny auto-fade in/out to kill the clicks when trying to hit record start at same time as starting the sound source....it’s pretty hit and miss...
    I’d gladly pay IAP for that stuff @Chris_Randall ;)

    My workaround for that is to record silence first or load a "blank" buffer and then only record loops in overdub mode. You will never get the clicks then.

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  • @EyeOhEss said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @EyeOhEss said:
    Also really wish it had threshold auto-start option for looping. And/or applied tiny auto-fade in/out to kill the clicks when trying to hit record start at same time as starting the sound source....it’s pretty hit and miss...
    I’d gladly pay IAP for that stuff @Chris_Randall ;)

    My workaround for that is to record silence first or load a "blank" buffer and then only record loops in overdub mode. You will never get the clicks then.

    Doesn’t first record set the master loop length though?

    Really surprised it doesn’t have threshold start-Rec. great feature in Koala and traditionally even more useful in a looper. Odd not to have it onboard.. I get that it has bars sync etc, but for loose looping it feels a little undercooked... couple loose ends to tie up imho.

    Yeah it does, I'm ok with setting a length first in free mode because Enso is imitating a tape machine loop where your length is already decided by the size of your tape loop. I don't know about loose ends because the first goal of the app is to achieve frippertronics/Eno loops which it does with ease. The rest is just a bonus really.

    Looperverse has threshold recording, man that app could of been so good...

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  • edited July 2019

    @EyeOhEss said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @EyeOhEss said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @EyeOhEss said:
    Also really wish it had threshold auto-start option for looping. And/or applied tiny auto-fade in/out to kill the clicks when trying to hit record start at same time as starting the sound source....it’s pretty hit and miss...
    I’d gladly pay IAP for that stuff @Chris_Randall ;)

    My workaround for that is to record silence first or load a "blank" buffer and then only record loops in overdub mode. You will never get the clicks then.

    Doesn’t first record set the master loop length though?

    Really surprised it doesn’t have threshold start-Rec. great feature in Koala and traditionally even more useful in a looper. Odd not to have it onboard.. I get that it has bars sync etc, but for loose looping it feels a little undercooked... couple loose ends to tie up imho.

    Yeah it does, I'm ok with setting a length first in free mode because Enso is imitating a tape machine loop where your length is already decided by the size of your tape loop. I don't know about loose ends because the first goal of the app is to achieve frippertronics/Eno loops which it does with ease. The rest is just a bonus really.

    Looperverse has threshold recording, man that app could of been so good...

    Yeah the workaround doesn’t really work for me :( if I’m noodling around with sound source I want to be able to just instinctively close the loop at whatever point it feels interesting/done.....otherwise If having the length of empty space predetermined before I begin then I might as well just use the bar start/stop sync ;)

    Yeah looperverse is one of best examples on iOS of wasted potential!

    Hmm try setting post record to overdub. I am looping in free mode like you describe without clicks that way.

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  • Avoid doing this, also careful of speakers/headphones:

    Feel like my hearing has taken a beating since I got into iOS.

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  • @EyeOhEss said:

    @BroCoast said:
    Avoid doing this, also careful of speakers/headphones:

    Feel like my hearing has taken a beating since I got into iOS.

    Ouch. What exactly did you do there?? Will avoid :)

    Tried to overdub onto a sector which works sometimes but often the playhead breaks out of the sector and does that (blasts you.)

    I found this too which kind of indicates to me the crashes are to do with graphics. I am sequencing between 2 sectors which works fine except when the app is open and CPU spikes start to occur:

  • edited August 2019

    In the face of IAA deprication I’m looking into trying enso as a straight forward looper. Is anyone using it for a Loopy style action? If so I’d love to hear your story.

    I believe enso is the only AU looper that happily sits in the effect slot. Am I wrong?

  • edited August 2019

    @supadom said:
    In the face of IAA deprication I’m looking into trying enso as a straight forward looper. Is anyone using it for a Loopy style action? If so I’d love to hear your story.

    I believe enso is the only AU looper that happily sits in the effect slot. Am I wrong?

    Enso is not viable for Live performance. Multiple instances will often lead to crashes, and midi control can have odd behavior. For example, when you load an AUM or AB preset with Enso, you will have to clear Enso buffer to being able to trigger loop record. Once done, record and overdub work well. But in live situation, if you forget to clear buffer after preset load, that will not record your loop. Risky...

  • @supadom said:
    In the face of IAA deprication I’m looking into trying enso as a straight forward looper. Is anyone using it for a Loopy style action? If so I’d love to hear your story.

    I believe enso is the only AU looper that happily sits in the effect slot. Am I wrong?

    Just use LoopyHD since it works as advertised. Running 12 simultaneous loops at a time works like a charm.

    The idea of Enso is great, but it is unpredictable with its stability and ultimately frustrating to use when all you want to do is loop Baby Loop 😬

  • Thanks for the feedback @Janosax @echoopera I'm not leaving AB/loopy any time soon but I thought Id explore other options since the forecast ain't too favourable. I know @Michael is on the case as we speak but you know, safety valve etc. :)

    Audiobus is the only host that let's me use Samplr and loopy all in sync with hardware and recall all my presets via midi so no substitute really. I've also develop muscle memory with my set-up which takes years.

  • @supadom said:
    Thanks for the feedback @Janosax @echoopera I'm not leaving AB/loopy any time soon but I thought Id explore other options since the forecast ain't too favourable. I know @Michael is on the case as we speak but you know, safety valve etc. :)

    Audiobus is the only host that let's me use Samplr and loopy all in sync with hardware and recall all my presets via midi so no substitute really. I've also develop muscle memory with my set-up which takes years.

    I'd plan on freezing your iPad if you have a stable setup. I suspect there are going to be ups-and-downs with OS releases for a while.

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @supadom said:
    Thanks for the feedback @Janosax @echoopera I'm not leaving AB/loopy any time soon but I thought Id explore other options since the forecast ain't too favourable. I know @Michael is on the case as we speak but you know, safety valve etc. :)

    Audiobus is the only host that let's me use Samplr and loopy all in sync with hardware and recall all my presets via midi so no substitute really. I've also develop muscle memory with my set-up which takes years.

    I'd plan on freezing your iPad if you have a stable setup. I suspect there are going to be ups-and-downs with OS releases for a while.

    Live 10.5 already off grid. Air 2 is open to experimentation though. Drambo, loopy 3 and whatever comes along :)

  • wimwim
    edited August 2019

    @supadom said:
    In the face of IAA deprication I’m looking into trying enso as a straight forward looper. Is anyone using it for a Loopy style action? If so I’d love to hear your story.

    I believe enso is the only AU looper that happily sits in the effect slot. Am I wrong?

    I'm sticking with Loopy, but here's a video showing that it can be an effective looper in certain situations. Also, detailed tutorial here: https://wiki.audiob.us/tutorial_lower_session_cpu_usage_with_enso?s[]=enso if you're interested.

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