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Woah I missed this. Can’t wait to try it, might make this my go to drum sequencer.
Hey @TasTax loving the beta, truly.
Wow... everything gets so much better and polished. I see I missed a lot of updates. Checking the documentation is giving me loads of ideas. Gonna try driving some hardware later
My question
When Octachron’s NUMBER OF STEPS is 1, the sound is only output on the first loop. Is this a correct specification? In other words, is it used for the purpose of playing the pattern only once?
My suggestions for the manual (BETA)
I would suggest that the "3 straight, 3 delayed" description of SWING GRID in the manual (BETA) should be deleted. The current version of Octachron does not have that feature. For those who bought the Octachron to use "3 straight, 3 delayed" after reading the Octachron manual (BETA), the manual (BETA) will seem like a scam. Besides, the risk arises that Octachron will receive a low rating in the app store.
I think SWING GRID would be easier for users to understand if it was explained with screenshots.
My thoughts on the forum members' suggestions
Quotes from anickt's posts
“I think the text for the plus/minus buttons and left/right arrows should be above the buttons. As it is now, when tapping a button with a natural movement my finger obscures the text.”
“Also, the plus/minus buttons don’t always respond well. Sometimes it takes several taps to make them change value.”
I agree very strongly with these two. These are the things that need to be improved in the test flight version as a top priority. It is harder to use than the major version of Octachron currently in the app store.
“A Solo function would be helpful.”
“When random generating a pattern with a scale, an option to choose only one note per step would be nice for a monophonic bass or lead line.”
I agree with these two.
I have tested before if it is possible to switch the pattern of Octachron B by Octachron A. (It was successful.)
Next, I had wondered if it would be possible to randomly select a pattern with PROBABILITY feature. (I don't remember what kind of test it was. As far as I can recall, it resulted in octachron giving priority to the higher row grid when multiple grids in the same column are on.)
My idea is not practical, but I think the monophonic bass idea is practical. (I think these are the same principles.)
(EDITED: I reconsidered and the principles were not the same.
My idea is that if all 8 grids in the same column are on, the row output from them for the monophonic bass will be random, not the top row. anickt's idea is to generate only one grid per column with the randomizer. Anyway, anickt's idea is more practical and better than mine.)
(EDITED 2:
I wrote that the higher (top) row had priority, but when I retested with the 8 row grid turned on for one column only, the bottom row had priority. I could be mistaken about something else. I tested the sound output from the monophonic bass synth, but it is possible that my testing method itself is wrong.)
Quotes from Poppadocrock’s post
“I was thinking it be great when you pull up one lane to adjust Randomization/Mutation, you could have L & R arrows to jump to the next lane without having to close that window and hold on another lane. Or Maybe a drop down list to select a separate lane while staying in the random window would be cool. Either of these would speed up the randomize workflow.”
I agree with this. I think the feature mentioned there would be practical because it would allow setting the values of multiple parts in succession. Besides, it is practical and versatile because it reduces eye and finger movement distance and the number of taps.
I don’t/can’t quote gregsmith's post of suggestions because I’m a beginner and I can’t understand its meaning and intention. (This is not a question.) I think the developers and other forum members got that suggestion correctly, so no problem at all.
(Since there are three members suggested in this thread except for me, I was concerned that it would be rude not to mention one of them. Sorry if I'm confusing you.)
Hey @cramdog ,
Thank you very very much for your detailed feedback. This is very valuable to us.
Well, Setting it to 1 makes every pattern only one step long.
But actually this is more a theoretical case and also it doesn’t work very good. maybe we should just put it out and start with “2”, what do you think?
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Oh yes you’re right. This is a mistake. I will change it. Thank you very much!
And the other things are very valid at points as well. We will discuss them and see what we can do.
And you are not confusing us at all, don’t worry. In fact it is very helpful and inspiring! ✌️🙂
Thx again and Cheers from Munich
Tas
Hey everybody!
Thx again for your very nice feedback! 🙂
And Actually we have one more specific question at the moment considering the smart randomizer:
The Randomizer row settings for each voice (density and random) are set to certain values initially.
For example the first row (normally kick drum) to 20% and 30%.
Of course you can change them by yourself but also of course we want to give you the best possible results already initially, when you press the Smart Randomize” line in the pattern tools menu.
At the moment the results are groovy but a bit more experimental I think.
So our question is:
Do you like it like that or would you prefer more straight Randomizer results initially?
Thx again for your support and keep enjoying Octachron! ✌️🙂
Best
Tas
@TasTax i like it but might be better to start at zeros. I think it would be great if you could move between the lanes without closing the individual lane pop up window. Maybe with arrows <- -> or a drop down. I love the new features in the beta.
Thank you but zero would result in no variation at all.
But OK, maybe we lower the initial random percentage. We will wait for other votes 
And yes, actually we already work on a more simple way to change between the row pop ups 🙂
Thx again for your feedback !
I like this approach. If you press “random” you should hear random straight away, so I’d make it obvious. It’s like a distorsion pedal, the default is never “slight gentle crunch” but actual distortion. So yeah, randomize !. You can always turn it down later.
Personally, and I believe it’s the common use, if I’m not sure of what something does, illl exaggerate it and then turn it down to taste. By making the randomness obvious you’re saving a step and probably some confusion.
No matter what the initial value for randomizer is I’m probably going to change so it really doesn’t matter. I’m fine with it as it is. I don’t feel its a priority over some of the other things mentioned.
I just hope this app doesn’t succumb to feature bloat like some others have. I like a relatively simple and direct approach like Octachron has now.
Hey Everybody,
Thank you so much for your feedback! 🙂
Any more votes considering more straight versus more experimental initial randomizer results?
Just saying
I like random to be quiet harsh
And then I can slowly dial it back
I like to hear it instantly , then reduce afterwards
Not going to keep going on, but I love this app
But don’t always have my iPad with me
You know what I gonna say
iPhone compatible 🤞
For the pocket producers
Yes me too please! Way more important than randomize 😉
Hold mode would be the icing on the cake!
Yea I was just spitballing. I was thinking what if you want to use it as a regular sequencer, or have some lanes randomize but others play as normal. I’m really fine on this either way.
Also that is amazing to hear that you are already working on a way to stay in the random window while changing lanes. Cheers!
If by "put it out" you mean to remove "1" from the current octachron setting of "1-32", I disagree. (I believe you are not thinking of removing it.) I think there is no need to change anything.
I think that is a difficult subject. If there were two example videos by the developers, it might make it easier for users to compare and make decisions.
I'm glad to hear that.
My requests
I would like the manual to say something like, “the initial values in the randomizer are intentionally tuned and balanced by the developers”.
Previously, I was uncomfortable with the fact that DENSITY and RANDOM did not return to zero when the CLEAR feature was used. So I sent feedback on the beta version, such as "I think it is strange the initial values are entered from the beginning". I was not aware of any special intention in the initial values until reading this thread.
(Now that I understand it, I feel no discomfort. In addition, to use the "pattern randomizer", the initial values must be set beforehand. (I'll explain the coined word later in this post.)
In other words, prior to the latest beta version, the initial values of the randomizer were inside a mystery box and were invisible.
That has been made visible in the beta version, but the specification itself that the initial values of the Octachron randomizer have already been entered by the developers has not changed. It took me a while to figure that out because I’m not a smart. If the manual has the explanation of the intent of the initial values of the randomizer, it might help to clear up such misunderstandings.)
I would like GENERAL MIDI to be set at the top row of LOAD MAPPING. (I won’t/can’t mention the initial position of other apps, as each user has different preferences.)
(EDITED)
After thinking about it, I realized that the initial setting was GENERAL MIDI to begin with. Nevertheless, I had loaded GENERAL MIDI every time I used the beta version. And since I always use the GENERATE SCALE feature on my synth apps, there was no need to stick with GENERAL MIDI. So I cancel this request.
What caught my attention in the beta version
The followings are the things I have noted. (I would appreciate corrections from anyone if I’m mistaken.)
Row randomizer and pattern randomizer are terms I coined. The former is a new feature, meaning a combined group of SMART RANDOMIZER and MUTATION for each row. The latter means the already existing SMART RANDOMIZE feature.
The row randomizers have independent settings for each pattern. In other words, 8 rows multiplied by 8 patterns can have 64 setting values.
When the pattern randomizer is used, it refers to the 8 rows randomizer setting contained in the pattern itself.
The CLEAR feature has a new role in returning all eight rows of parameter knobs(?) on the row randomizers to their initial values.
The initial values loaded into the randomizer knobs at ‘Octachron startup and when using the CLEAR feature’ cannot be changed by the user at this time.
(I think this is why the developers of Octachron asked the question.
So it may be important for the users to be proactive in answering that question.
However, I don’t know what will happen to the randomizer initial values in future major versions. It is possible that many things will change in future updates.)
The knobs of the row randomizers can be saved in the USER PRESETS.
(EDITED)
(This is a soliloquy. Albeit belatedly, I’ve probably figured out what hold mode means. I think when it is used in Octachron, it is like playing breakbeat on a sampler. I think this is an interesting idea. Sorry if I'm wrong or if it’s not the intended usage.)
Hey @Gdub and @gregsmith,
Thx again for your feedback. As mentioned before in our survey with over 450 answers from Octachron users, a lot of features were rated higher than an iPhone version. Thats why we went for the Randomizer first:
But of course we still have the iPhone version on our list
Would you prefer it in portrait or in landscape mode? (landscape is easier to approach of course)
And @cramdog
Thx again for your detailed thoughts. As far as I understood I think you are right in most of the the cases.
Only the clear button in the row preferences is for erasing all of the set steps in this row.
But maybe a reset button to the initial randomizer values could be useful as well.
We will think about that.
Thx again for your support and keep enjoying Octachron
Best greetings from Munich
Tas
Landscape if we have to choose, but both would be amazing - portrait with a scroll?
Don’t listen to me too much though - without a ‘hold‘ mode like atom2 or hammerhead, I probably won’t use it much as I’m looking for a go to drum sequencer for loopy pro. I’m a fringe case 😊
Landscape mode for iPhone
When ya guys are ready
Just curious. Why do you need a hold mode?. By hold do you mean “play pattern as long as I’m holding a key”?
Yep that’s basically it. This mode allows you to trigger patterns using play and stop follow actions on loopy donuts. So far hammerhead and atom2 are the only apps I have that do it. They’re damn good options, but a dedicated drum sequencer unlock almost any other drum app.
I hate to be the weird kid but I always prefer portrait apps on my phone, they’re just too awkward to hold landscape, unless playing a video game or something
Hey @TasTax i’ve been meaning to try this but keep forgetting… are the mutation settings global or are they able to be set & saved differently in each pattern?
If not that would be amazing, something I think would be essential. that way in the earlier patterns of minimal mutations and you can build up to some full on Fills.
PS I might have tried this and forgot. Lol
Hey @Poppadocrock,
thx again for your question and yes, we also thought about that. So the randomizer and mutation settings are not global.
You can set them individually for each row and pattern. And every new blank pattern gets the default settings. Though if you copy and paste a pattern you take the randomizer settings with you and you are able to change them afterwards.
The mutation setting is not being copied yet though but maybe that would be cool as well, no?
Tell us what you think.
Thx again und best from Munich
Tas
The beta version was updated. (I turned off auto-updates and notifications so I was late to notice.)
I think this update has brought significant improvements to UI and UX.
1.5.0 (99)
Improvements
Easier access clear in modulation selection
Next and Previous button in Row selection
Improvements for layout of random settings
Bug Fixes
1 step patterns working now
Unresponsive UX in row settings
My impressions
-Easier access clear in modulation selection
I believe all Octachron users had a potential need for this feature. I remember when I just purchased Octachron, I looked for where this feature existed in the menu.
-Next and Previous button in Row selection
I think this makes the new feature of row-by-row settings more user-friendly and accessible to users.
-Improvements for layout of random settings
I wasn't sure if the function of the buttons within the two knobs were the same or different. So I think this change is reasonable.
-1 step patterns working now
-Unresponsive UX in row settings
I was surprised that these were very recent topics. @TasTax @reinerspass Thank you so much for your quick response.
I have two questions.
-In SETTINGS, what exactly does it mean when MIDI channel is zero? (I vaguely imagined something like all off or all on.)
-What is the function of “ACTIVE” in MIDI MAPPING? I want to know when it should be used and how to use it.
Hey @cramdog thanks for your nice summary! And super happy you like all the changes! To your questions:
Cheers
Markus
@reinerspass
Thanks for your very clear explanations. I have a better understanding of MIDI after reading your two answers.
(I think you are very good at explaining. My understanding of MIDI is quite poor, but your text has just the right amount of information to complement it, not too much and not too little.)
Great to hear that and if you have more questions, just ask here
Best
Tas
Hey everybody!
some might already got the message: we are very happy to finally announce another beta, yay!
The great Jakob Haq inspired us to go even on step further. And so we also applied mutation not only on step trigger but also on velocity, step repeats and all CC Modulation parameters. Also see the manual and screenshot below.
Download the new beta here:
https://testflight.apple.com/join/aH3r4QMz
We are very curious for your feedback again!
Enjoy and best greetings from Munich
Tas & Markus
https://octachron.de/manual.html
Huh…