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OCTACHRON MIDI Drum Sequencer AUv3 by Markus Teufel

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  • edited October 2022

    Cheers @TasTax the last beta was lovely, excited to test this one out too. And a handy manual.

  • @TasTax said:
    Hey everybody!

    some might already got the message: we are very happy to finally announce another beta, yay! :)
    The great Jakob Haq inspired us to go even on step further. And so we also applied mutation not only on step trigger but also on velocity, step repeats and all CC Modulation parameters. Also see the manual and screenshot below.

    Download the new beta here:
    https://testflight.apple.com/join/aH3r4QMz

    We are very curious for your feedback again!

    Enjoy and best greetings from Munich :)
    Tas & Markus

    https://octachron.de/manual.html

    Awesome and thanks!

  • edited October 2022

    The news that CC mutations were added before the major update and that Jakob Haq was involved in it comes as a great surprise and delight to users. Octachron has evolved like a different application since I purchased it.

    The following reports may be duplicates of those I posted in the test flight feedback feature of the old version. If @TasTax and @reinerspass are in the process of fixing those, I’m very sorry.

    Bug(?)
    CC SETTINGS are forced to change when using Octachron's Generate Scale feature. This behavior may make it difficult to use the new features implemented in Octachron and the Generate Scale feature at the same time.

    UI Issues(?)
    The 8th pattern display may or may not be hidden, depending on the Number of Steps setting. In my environment, when the Number of Steps is 8 or 7, it is easy to see that the 8th pattern is hidden behind the shift in the upper right corner of the screen.

    When using the Generate Scale feature, note values may be negative or exceed 127. (This can be set to 2 or 126 by tapping the plus-minus button.)

    The following is what I noticed when using the latest version of Octachron.

    issue(?) or Octachron’s spec(?)
    Steps to Reproduce
    Copy pattern 1 to pattern 2 and pattern 8.
    Whenever the chance and range of any of the above three patterns are changed, the chance and range of the other two patterns are changed synchronously.
    Therefore, the copied patterns do not allow independent chance and range settings for each pattern.
    However, using the CLEAR ROW feature will de-synchronize the chance and range for that pattern.

    Toggle Switch Bugs
    Example 1: Toggle switch is forcibly fixed to inactive state.
    Steps to Reproduce
    Copy pattern 1 to pattern 2.
    Tap CC in Pattern 2. toggle switch of CC is not activated. Tap to activate it in gray, and an animation appears that immediately deactivates it. Slide it to red, but when users exit that screen, it is forced to deactivate.

    Example 2: Toggle switches are forcibly locked in the active state. (Reverse of Example 1)
    Steps to Reproduce
    Operate CC in Pattern 1 to automatically activate the toggle switch.
    Copy and paste Pattern 1 into Pattern 2.
    Tap CC(ACTIVE) of pattern 2.
    The toggle switch is now red active. It cannot be deactivated. If users tap the toggle switch, it will remain red and deactivated, and users will see an animation of it being activated immediately. If users slide it, it turns gray, but when users exit that screen, it is forced to activate.

    Example 3: The animation when changing the value of the Chance and Range knobs is unnatural.
    Steps to Reproduce
    Copy Pattern 1 to Pattern 2.
    Tap CC in Pattern 2.
    When operating the chance or range knob, the value flicker and is unreadable.
    When manipulating the Chance or Range knob, two different length curves, one yellow and the other dark orange, appear on the knob and flicker.

    Request
    The order of user presets appears to be random, which makes it hard for me to use. It would be easier to use if users could manage presets in alphabetical order.

    Suggestion
    The Generate Scale feature might be easier to use if the last setting used was displayed each time the menu was opened, until the app was reloaded.

  • Thanks so much for the intelligent randomize features @TasTax

  • edited October 2022

    1 bug - I found is, set the pattern length to 1 step, instant stuck and crash
    2 suggestion - let us choose which places in that step repeat division we’d like to play


  • Added a gui example of the suggestion

  • Hey everybody,

    Thx again so much for your feedback. Glad you like it. And special thanks also to you @cramdog for giving such detailed feedback. This is extremely valuable for us. All good points, we will definitely look after them.
    So thx everybody again and if you have more feedback, just tell us.

    Best greetings from Munich 🙂
    Tas

  • What would be really nice is “remix” option like on sugarbytes Drum Computer

  • @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What would be really nice is “remix” option like on sugarbytes Drum Computer

    Yes, thx, that is really a nice option. We also have that on our list ✌️🙂

  • edited November 2022

    How does Octachron compare to Polybeat, they look very similar to me by now... What advantages does each have?

  • @TasTax said:

    @Tamir_Raz_Mataz said:
    What would be really nice is “remix” option like on sugarbytes Drum Computer

    Yes, thx, that is really a nice option. We also have that on our list ✌️🙂

    🤘🤤🤟
    Bring it on!
    When’s the next update?

  • @dobbs said:
    How does Octachron compare to Polybeat, they look very similar to me by now... What advantages does each have?

    Octachron is "smarter" than Polybeat when it comes to populating drum rhythms by randomization. In other words Octachron sounds more like something someone would play or program into a drum machine. Polybeat while great and very flexible tends to be more noisy and "chaotic" in its random hit placements.

    Just my opinion

  • @audiblevideo said:

    @dobbs said:
    How does Octachron compare to Polybeat, they look very similar to me by now... What advantages does each have?

    Octachron is "smarter" than Polybeat when it comes to populating drum rhythms by randomization. In other words Octachron sounds more like something someone would play or program into a drum machine. Polybeat while great and very flexible tends to be more noisy and "chaotic" in its random hit placements.

    Just my opinion

    thanks for your input! can octachron do polyrythms/can I set the length of each track individually? In the screenshots all tracks always have the same length...

  • @dobbs said:

    @audiblevideo said:

    @dobbs said:
    How does Octachron compare to Polybeat, they look very similar to me by now... What advantages does each have?

    Octachron is "smarter" than Polybeat when it comes to populating drum rhythms by randomization. In other words Octachron sounds more like something someone would play or program into a drum machine. Polybeat while great and very flexible tends to be more noisy and "chaotic" in its random hit placements.

    Just my opinion

    thanks for your input! can octachron do polyrythms/can I set the length of each track individually? In the screenshots all tracks always have the same length...

    Yes it can. The length of each row can be set individually 🙂

  • edited November 2022

    realized I can just join the beta to test it :) the mutate feature sounds really cool.

    @TasTax said:
    Yes it can. The length of each row can be set individually 🙂

    But can I also change the speedof a row? Say I have 16 steps, but I shorten one row to have 12 beats, can I set it up that both rows take the same time to complete one run? to make triplets, for example. drumcomputer sequencer for example has that ability to set a speed setting per lane

  • @TasTax
    1.5.0 (112)
    I confirmed the fixes in the description of the beta. I was amazed at your very quick response. I appreciate it. It is very useful the display state of the Generate Scale feature is now kept. And since the CC settings are no longer affected by the Generate Scale feature, I think the advantages of Octachron are now more apparent with this update.

    I think it strange that two of the same notes appear consecutively in the following scale when using Octachron's Generate Scale feature. If the Base Note setting is C, two Cs of the same pitch are placed in succession(?). But I’m ignorant about music theory, so sorry if I’m saying something wrong.

    Pentatonic Major, Pentatonic Minor, Blues, Diatonic, Prometheus, Prometheus Neopolitan, Six Tone Symmetrical, Auxiliary Augmented

  • @cramdog said:
    @TasTax
    1.5.0 (112)
    I confirmed the fixes in the description of the beta. I was amazed at your very quick response. I appreciate it. It is very useful the display state of the Generate Scale feature is now kept. And since the CC settings are no longer affected by the Generate Scale feature, I think the advantages of Octachron are now more apparent with this update.

    I think it strange that two of the same notes appear consecutively in the following scale when using Octachron's Generate Scale feature. If the Base Note setting is C, two Cs of the same pitch are placed in succession(?). But I’m ignorant about music theory, so sorry if I’m saying something wrong.

    Pentatonic Major, Pentatonic Minor, Blues, Diatonic, Prometheus, Prometheus Neopolitan, Six Tone Symmetrical, Auxiliary Augmented

    Heyhey @cramdog , thanks so much for your feedback. Glad that our fixes work as expected. And yes, currently you can still generate some edge case scales that are a little broken, thats true. But now they at least generate valid notes. To go one step further and prevent these, we would have to implement a more complex validation logic. We put it on our list but since we really consider this an edge case, we think it should not not have priority for us now. Hope you understand. But thanks again for your great support and keep enjoying :)

    Tas

  • @TasTax said:
    Heyhey @cramdog , thanks so much for your feedback. Glad that our fixes work as expected. And yes, currently you can still generate some edge case scales that are a little broken, thats true. But now they at least generate valid notes. To go one step further and prevent these, we would have to implement a more complex validation logic. We put it on our list but since we really consider this an edge case, we think it should not not have priority for us now. Hope you understand. But thanks again for your great support and keep enjoying :)

    Tas

    @TasTax
    No problem at all. If I want something to be improved, I put a heading like "Request". In this thread I did so when I mentioned the order of user presets of Octachron. I’m very grateful to you for the improvements you have made on that.

  • New beta dropped.

  • edited November 2022

    @dobbs said:
    realized I can just join the beta to test it :) the mutate feature sounds really cool.

    @TasTax said:
    Yes it can. The length of each row can be set individually 🙂

    But can I also change the speedof a row? Say I have 16 steps, but I shorten one row to have 12 beats, can I set it up that both rows take the same time to complete one run? to make triplets, for example. drumcomputer sequencer for example has that ability to set a speed setting per lane

    Hey @dobbs, no, actually this is not possible yet. But interesting feature. We will put it on our list :)

    @cramdog, thx for understanding and @Poppadocrock , Yes! :)

    And @audiblevideo , thank you very much, glad you like it!

    We plan to release the free update at the end of november now. We will then raise the price a bit for new customers, for we think its really worth it. But if you get or have gotten Octachron before this upcoming update there are no additional costs for you.

    So thx again for the support and keep enjoying :)
    Tas

  • Love this app! Would be great though if we could midi map pattern changes, for instance using program changes! I know, I can do it with StreamByter but….

  • Hey @girlvsworld, actually its possible to trigger pattern changes either through midi messages in standalone mode, midi messages Octachron reacts to can be found in the MIDI dialog:

    Or in a host through MIDI controls

    Hope that was helpful! :)
    Cheers
    Markus

  • edited December 2022

    The 1.5 update is out!

    A great app that just keeps getting better. Chapeau to the developers.

    New features (from the App Store):

    • Smart pattern Randomizer
    • Randomizer configuration per row
    • Trigger mutation per row
    • Mutation of internal and CC modulation parameters
    • Melodic scales with highest note on top
    • App manual
    • New Presets: Analog Rhythm 909, Digistix, Pure Acid Drums, Sugar Bytes Drum Computer and SDS-X
    • New logo and design
  • Super Update.. I love the way you can paint patterns and use probability to create more/less structure.
    A thing of beauty.

  • edited December 2022

    @mashtup said:
    The 1.5 update is out!

    A great app that just keeps getting better. Chapeau to the developers.

    New features (from the App Store):

    • Smart pattern Randomizer
    • Randomizer configuration per row
    • Trigger mutation per row
    • Mutation of internal and CC modulation parameters
    • Melodic scales with highest note on top
    • App manual
    • New Presets: Analog Rhythm 909, Digistix, Pure Acid Drums, Sugar Bytes Drum Computer and SDS-X
    • New logo and design

    Yea great additions. Mutation and randomization are really great in this app. One of my fav drum sequencers. I love this app so much, but If there was an option to do 8 or 16 lanes, or maybe even have 2 pages of 8 lanes inside one instance to easily see everything, it would be amazing. Any thoughts? @reinerspass @TasTax it’s on my Xmas list, lol.

  • This super update makes Octachron my favourite drum sequencer for jamming. Super functions (I love the randomisation and mutation options). And a jam friendly UI that is not overwhelming and easy to use.

  • @TasTax I really love Octachron, the new randomiser and mutations make it so easy to get ideas going.

    The only thing that stops me from using it more often is the swing 🏌️
    There is likely a very good reason for it (a lot sequencers function similarly) but swing is based on step position as opposed to pattern position. If you have tracks with odd track lengths, certain offbeat notes flam. I don’t know if that’s the way to describe it so I’ve made a quick video.

    No stress if it would be too much work to implement, Im still very grateful for this gem of a sequencer 🫡

  • iPhone version would be just perfect

  • @Gdub said:
    iPhone version would be just perfect

    Yeah... I'm also waiting for it to become universal. Love it on my iPad but nowadays I'm doing most of my mobile 'music' related stuff on my iPhone.

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