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Gravitas

@espiegel123 said:

@Gravitas said:

@espiegel123 said:

@Gravitas said:

@espiegel123 said:
@Gravitas : what value do you want to send for the cc?

If PC 1 comes in, what value are you sending for the cc? You need both a cc number and a cc value

If PC 1 comes in then it should go to CC 1, 127
If PC 2 comes in then it should go to CC 2, 127
If PC 2 comes in then it should go to CC 3, 127

@OnMidiInput

if MIDICommand = 0xC0
SendMIDICC MIDIChannel , MIDIByte2 , 127 
else 
SendMIDIThru  
endif 

@End 

So if it's PC 2 then it will be MidiCommand = 0xC0, 1?

and then repeat this for every instance needed?

Is there a way to create a range so that PC x = CC message x, 127 ?
x= number between 0-127

The script says:
Any time midi input come in look at the Midi Command

If the MidiCommand is a program change, send out a midi cc message with value 127 using the received program change number as the cc number.

Yup, I got that bit.

If it isn't PC message, send the original message through.

So if it's PC 2 then it will be MidiCommand = 0xC0, 1?

I don't know what this means. MidiCommand is a single value that tells you what type of midi message was received.

As mentioned earlier the PC messages come in two parts,
One is the part saying that it is a PC message and the second part saying what the value is?
So what I'm trying to say is using your example script
which only translates one PC message to CC message?

when PC message 2 comes in then that gets converted to CC message 2?
so in that way it can be used for assigning more PC messages.

My apologies the second part of what I wrote earlier should've been
"SendMIDICC MIDIChannel , MIDIByte2 , 127 "

However I've got the jist of it now.
We can move forward onto other things.
Apologies all for taking up the thread.

Gravitas

@espiegel123

Thank you for the lesson and your assistance with Mozaic.

espiegel123

@gravitas: I just want to make sure the script is clear. MIDIByte2 is the received PC Number. We are using MIDIByte2 (the received PC number) as the cc number. So this always use the received PC Number as the outgoing CC Number.

Gravitas

@espiegel123

Your script works as expected.

Tested using the Mozaic auv3 preset “Note to PC” to Mozaic auv3 with your script.
It sends out the corresponding CC message when a PC message is received.

Screenshot,

This is going to make a lot of Elektron users very happy,

Thank you once again.

espiegel123

@Gravitas said:
@espiegel123

Your script works as expected.

Tested using the Mozaic auv3 preset “Note to PC” to Mozaic auv3 with your script.
It sends out the corresponding CC message when a PC message is received.

Screenshot,

This is going to make a lot of Elektron users very happy,

Thank you once again.

You are welcome!

Crabman

Is there a script that smoothes (stepped) midi cc?

espiegel123

@Crabman said:
Is there a script that smoothes (stepped) midi cc?

In what sense? If you provide more context it would help know whether it s possible for your use-case. MIDI CC and aftertouch and note velocity only have 128 possible values.

wim

@Crabman said:
Is there a script that smoothes (stepped) midi cc?

Here's one that might work.
https://patchstorage.com/cc-gradual-glide/

Obligatory: Can also be done easily in Drambo.

wim

@Crabman - the problem with such a script is you can't truly "smooth" between points without waiting for the next point. Say you have value 64 you can't know how to smooth up to the next value, which could be 86 or 21 or whatever, and could occur 10ms or 100ms or whenever later.

The best you can do is pick a slew rate, and assume the next step will be similar to the previous step in timing, direction and value difference.

Crabman

Thanks @wim @espiegel123

And well, yes. I‘m talking about a slew function. I gonna check the script 👍

more context: in cykle you can also have lanes with cc and when i say“smoothing“ i mean an interpolation between the values, something many synthesizers do (i guess) when recording knob movements.

espiegel123

@Crabman said:
Thanks @wim @espiegel123

And well, yes. I‘m talking about a slew function. I gonna check the script 👍

more context: in cykle you can also have lanes with cc and when i say“smoothing“ i mean an interpolation between the values, something many synthesizers do (i guess) when recording knob movements.

Fwiw, those values aren’t that far apart … so the smoothing won’t be all that smooth. What you probably really need/want is the smoothing/slewing of the AU parameter values themselves. Drambo can do this as you can convert midi to control signals that are essentially continuous. So your slewing would be between high-res values rather than the “jaggy” midi values.

wim

@espiegel123 said:
Fwiw, those values aren’t that far apart … so the smoothing won’t be all that smooth. What you probably really need/want is the smoothing/slewing of the AU parameter values themselves. Drambo can do this as you can convert midi to control signals that are essentially continuous. So your slewing would be between high-res values rather than the “jaggy” midi values.

But, when converted back to midi to automate any other app, that added smoothness will be lost, no?

espiegel123

@wim said:

@espiegel123 said:
Fwiw, those values aren’t that far apart … so the smoothing won’t be all that smooth. What you probably really need/want is the smoothing/slewing of the AU parameter values themselves. Drambo can do this as you can convert midi to control signals that are essentially continuous. So your slewing would be between high-res values rather than the “jaggy” midi values.

But, when converted back to midi to communicate with any other app that added smoothness will be lost, no?

Yes. That’s why I was asking for details. If the use-case is controlling AU parameters there isn’t a need to convert back to midi if using a host like Drambo. For AUM, I suppose you could convert to pitchbend and midi map pitchbend to AU parameters in which case you can use midi.

Crabman

I tried search a simple „knob recorder“ for mozaic and found the „simple recorder“ though i think this is better for midi notes. Could not try it yet. Anyone aware of another, simple knob recorder as AU?

I‘m sure the answer would be drambo but that‘s not exatly what i would call“simple“ I‘m „building“ a groovebox to my liking in AUM and i see drambo more as a groovebox on it‘s own…

wim

@Crabman said:
I tried search a simple „knob recorder“ for mozaic and found the „simple recorder“ though i think this is better for midi notes. Could not try it yet. Anyone aware of another, simple knob recorder as AU?

Mozaic isn't a good choice for that purpose. I won't bore you with the details unless you ask me to. Otherwise just trust me. 😉

Midi Tape Recorder will accurately record anything you send through it. It wouldn't be recording knobs exactly, but the midi that another app with knobs would be sending through it. Atom 2 can do the same, though perhaps with not as accurate results.

Sorry, I don't have other recommendations than Drambo. It's the best answer I can think of, and not necessarily complicated if that's all you're doing with it. It only has to be thought of as a groove box if that's the only way you see it.

You might want to start a separate thread on the subject of a dedicated knob controller/recorder. I'm pretty sure come up before, so a search might yield results too.

I'll be interested to see if anything good comes up. It's something that would be very useful.

wim

@Crabman

Took two modules and less than two minutes to set up. I stopped at six knobs but didn't have to. Full recording and editing of all knobs automation.

I get why people don't want to use Drambo. I'm not trying to change your mind, only to show that it doesn't have to be complicated or feature-rich. It can do simple things too.

I agree that a purpose built app for what you want would be better in many important ways.

Crabman

@wim said:
@Crabman

Took two modules and less than two minutes to set up. I stopped at six knobs but didn't have to. Full recording and editing of all knobs automation.

I get why people don't want to use Drambo. I'm not trying to change your mind, only to show that it doesn't have to be complicated or feature-rich. It can do simple things too.

I agree that a purpose built app for what you want would be better in many important ways.

da f*ck, many thanks for that 🙏

I have the midi tape recorder as well, gonna try this too.

I have a little bit of a weird relationship with drambo. I‘m an eurorack user since it all started with doepfer in 96 (and i started on PC with Generator which later became Reaktor and i had both Nord Modular as well) but somehow drambos way of saving things and the different“levels“ confuses me more than i like. Also, the way to connect modules. It‘s all good when i constantly use it but as soon as i have a longer break from it, i need to „relearn“ it again. I don‘t like that and hence i rarely use it. Which is stupid, i know.

wim

@Crabman said:
... hence i rarely use it. Which is stupid, i know.

No, I get it. It feels like bringing a big chest of tools along with you when all you need is a screwdriver. I have to talk myself into it being the most logical solution in many cases. I've taken to including an empty instance in my Loopy Pro template just because half the time I end up using it for something or other.

But there's just something about a purpose-built tool that does only what you want that feels better.

pejman

@Crabman hi.
Maybe I didn't get into the details of your conversations. Do you know free MMMm And MMM app ? It has smooth midi cc . https://apps.apple.com/us/app/gsdsp-mmmm/id6450306205

Maybe this app can help you.

Crabman

@pejman said:
@Crabman hi.
Maybe I didn't get into the details of your conversations. Do you know free MMMm And MMM app ? It has smooth midi cc . https://apps.apple.com/us/app/gsdsp-mmmm/id6450306205

Maybe this app can help you.

That‘s a great tip, thanks 👍 Looks like the most important point for me - recording knob movements - is missing but i think this is very handy nonetheless.