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Teenage Engineering OP-Z

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  • @Tarekith : Dude that was one helluva synopsis .. Well done, sir !!

  • @Tarekith said:
    From the TE forums, it sounds like the encoder issue is due to them losing magnetism. People who press them against a strong magnet ($3 on Amazon) for awhile say it fixes the issue.

    The OP-Z is a really interesting device, that continues to surprise me with how much fun it is to come up with new ideas. And that they can sound nice and modern, which is something I always struggled with on the OP-1. The manual doesn't do it justice, as it's one of those devices where the sum is greater than the parts. I did't think I would like it as much as I do, but it's replaced my Circuit as my go to musical device. Hard to convey how small it really is, and well built, so it feels like it would hold up to some traveling. Well, except for the power/volume knob.

    I will say it's a lot like the Octatrack in that if I don't use it for awhile, it takes me a bit to remember all the button/key combinations for things like copying, pasting, etc. That's one aspect of the whole no display thing rears it's head, though luckily the iOS app makes up for that most of the time.

    I keep meaning to do a video review and always forget, doh!

    What he said! I agree with everything you wrote. Fantastic little device that goes beautifully with IOS music making.

  • @Telstar5 said:
    I’ve gotta admit though I got spooked reading the OP-Z Facebook page re the encoders falling off and all the hardware problems it seemed to have

    I owned 3 OP-Z's, and I send them all back. Problems with falling out encoders and keyboard triggering. Nice device, but quality control is bad.

  • Yeah.. SO many horror storys. I’d rather have a Squarp pyramid or a deluge . Customers really love Synthstromnand the constant updates are massive . Hate that grid though.

  • @Telstar5 said:
    Yeah.. SO many horror storys. I’d rather have a Squarp pyramid or a deluge . Customers really love Synthstromnand the constant updates are massive . Hate that grid though.

    I bought a Deluge after sending back the OP-Z's :smile:

  • I picked this up a week ago and now that I have learned (most) of its controls I am extremely impressed. It’s the best hardware AIO device I have ever bought which includes Octatrack, All the Electribes, Model Samples and the original Roland MC grooveboxes. I am truly impressed how well thought out everything is and the workflow is so fluid once you get used to not having a screen. I was shocked at how small it was when I opened the box, it looks a little bigger in photos but I like that it’s compact. 5/5 and for the price it is just amazing.

  • @Pierre118 said:

    @Telstar5 said:
    Yeah.. SO many horror storys. I’d rather have a Squarp pyramid or a deluge . Customers really love Synthstromnand the constant updates are massive . Hate that grid though.

    I bought a Deluge after sending back the OP-Z's :smile:

    Satisfait de ton achat?

  • @Bill_Brasky said:
    I picked this up a week ago and now that I have learned (most) of its controls I am extremely impressed. It’s the best hardware AIO device I have ever bought which includes Octatrack, All the Electribes, Model Samples and the original Roland MC grooveboxes. I am truly impressed how well thought out everything is and the workflow is so fluid once you get used to not having a screen. I was shocked at how small it was when I opened the box, it looks a little bigger in photos but I like that it’s compact. 5/5 and for the price it is just amazing.

    what's aio stand for?

  • All in one?

  • @iammane said:
    All in one?

    danke danke

  • @Bill_Brasky I agree. It’s so easy and fast to use, and yet still absurdly powerful. I preferred the Digitakt for sound shaping and sampling, but its sequencer seems old fashioned compared to the z.

  • @kobamoto said:

    @Bill_Brasky said:
    I picked this up a week ago and now that I have learned (most) of its controls I am extremely impressed. It’s the best hardware AIO device I have ever bought which includes Octatrack, All the Electribes, Model Samples and the original Roland MC grooveboxes. I am truly impressed how well thought out everything is and the workflow is so fluid once you get used to not having a screen. I was shocked at how small it was when I opened the box, it looks a little bigger in photos but I like that it’s compact. 5/5 and for the price it is just amazing.

    what's aio stand for?

    All in one.

  • @Montreal_Music said:

    @Pierre118 said:

    @Telstar5 said:
    Yeah.. SO many horror storys. I’d rather have a Squarp pyramid or a deluge . Customers really love Synthstromnand the constant updates are massive . Hate that grid though.

    I bought a Deluge after sending back the OP-Z's :smile:

    Satisfait de ton achat?

    Yes, very satiesfied.

  • @mistercharlie said:
    @Bill_Brasky I agree. It’s so easy and fast to use, and yet still absurdly powerful. I preferred the Digitakt for sound shaping and sampling, but its sequencer seems old fashioned compared to the z.

    It is a little weak on patch design. I love Elektron boxes but I feel they are overpriced for what they bring. Octatrack was fun but damn it took me weeks to get a smooth workflow and when I sold it I did not miss it. Model Samples is cheap but I could get the same sequencing and sample shaping in a Volca Sample at less than half the cost.

    OP-Z is not only supremely creative and super well thought out but it’s heaps of fun and I have yet to be truly frustrated by it. It might be the only hardware I’ve owned that I’ll never sell outside of the Alesis Ion (my first synth)

  • @Bill_Brasky Agree with all of that. I had the same experience with the Octatrack, too. Sold it, and I rarely miss it.

    But if the Digitakt is expensive, I’d say the OP-Z is worse. Not that it’s not amazing, but the Elektron boxes are tanks, and OP-Z is far from that, and costs the same.

    I get around the sound design problem by mostly using samples. Then again, sample management is also a weakness on the OP-Z.

    I’ve also used it to sequence the Simpler in Ableton, which is quite good. In the end though, I love that it’s all in one box, and can be used without a screen.

  • @mistercharlie said:
    @Bill_Brasky Agree with all of that. I had the same experience with the Octatrack, too. Sold it, and I rarely miss it.

    But if the Digitakt is expensive, I’d say the OP-Z is worse. Not that it’s not amazing, but the Elektron boxes are tanks, and OP-Z is far from that, and costs the same.

    I get around the sound design problem by mostly using samples. Then again, sample management is also a weakness on the OP-Z.

    I’ve also used it to sequence the Simpler in Ableton, which is quite good. In the end though, I love that it’s all in one box, and can be used without a screen.

    I can’t speak to the digitatks value. I’ve only used Octatrack and Model. When you head in to the four-figure range gear needs to be build solidly or regardless of the sound you feel you’re getting bent over if it made of flimsy plastic. OP-Z is a bit lacking in sturdiness but it makes up for it in aesthetics, if that’s your thing and being the size of a tv remote there is a multitude of cheap ways to put a shell around it.

    I’ve only sequenced iOS synths so far. But the ability to quickly throw some Mersenne and Zeeon samples into the Z has been awesome, particularly without using a proper audio interface.

    My workspace has gotten smaller and smaller and tiny gear is my go-to these days, the Z, ELZ-1, and the Skulpt are great for that.

  • if you're using the OP-Z for sample based 'only' how does it fair in you guys opinion, would you still have made the purchase... also has there been any word from t.e. regarding the sample management and updates to make it simpler or less tedious to manage?

  • I mostly used samples with it when I had the OP-Z. The synths are nice (better than OP-1 IMO) but for knocking up interesting and evolving rhythms I really liked loading a lot of found "hits" I sampled walking around into the Z. I personally didn't have any huge issues with sample management myself, I thought it was pretty straightforward how it was implemented.

    It's not something you're going to want to use with hundreds of samples, but for a nice currated selection they are easy to assign in disk mode.

  • edited May 2020

    Honestly when i bought the OP-Z i was in love with it but after about 12 months the frailty of its construction became apparent.

    I kept the unit in the TE protective case but my Volume/Power button broke.
    Then 3-5 of my lower scale keys are double and triple trigging whenever i press them once. I have to press the button at an odd angle to avoid a double or triple trigs when performing on the unit.

    The concept of the synth is a great one...but it won’t hold up to being played like a normal instrument over time the way you’d expect it to.

    My Circuit is over 3 years old and performs like a champ.

    I’m really disappointed in these first batch of units. I hope for the sake of others that TE have worked thru their quality issues because it is a very cool device. But i won’t buy it again after experiencing these issues after having it for little over a year.

    Word of advice, don’t ever buy a used OP-Z because you will experience these issues more than likely.

    Thank goodness for the MPC ONE and Drambo. Everything i had in the OP-Z can now be had in these two great pieces of gear.

  • thanks guys, that's a shame really as I know you take these things seriously... I would have expected better build quality from t. e. but will do some further checking, maybe they have addressed these issues already or are planning to

  • edited May 2020

    @echoopera Do you use the op1.fun website to download samples and patches?

  • I did a few times, works fine :)

  • @echoopera said:
    Honestly when i bought the OP-Z i was in love with it but after about 12 months the frailty of its construction became apparent.

    I kept the unit in the TE protective case but my Volume/Power button broke.
    Then 3-5 of my lower scale keys are double and triple trigging whenever i press them once. I have to press the button at an odd angle to avoid a double or triple trigs when performing on the unit.

    The concept of the synth is a great one...but it won’t hold up to being played like a normal instrument over time the way you’d expect it to.

    My Circuit is over 3 years old and performs like a champ.

    I’m really disappointed in these first batch of units. I hope for the sake of others that TE have worked thru their quality issues because it is a very cool device. But i won’t buy it again after experiencing these issues after having it for little over a year.

    Word of advice, don’t ever buy a used OP-Z because you will experience these issues more than likely.

    Thank goodness for the MPC ONE and Drambo. Everything i had in the OP-Z can now be had in these two great pieces of gear.

    I’m still
    Gonna get an OPZ but definitely will skip the TE case and get the analog cases one. Also will be sure and buy new from an authorized vendor for possible issues ;)

    I’m just so set on getting the new iPhone SE and the OPZ to complete my super tiny portable setup (Blackbox and iPhone 7 currently)
    There’s nothing else quite so small that does quite so much and the synths do sound better than the OP1. Sure wish TE would bump up that QC tho

  • edited May 2020

    @Gaia.Tree said:
    There’s nothing else quite so small that does quite so much and the synths do sound better than the OP1.

    I have to argue with that. I think an iPhone SE is a lot better than an OP1.
    (Also, I'm an expert when it comes to controversial statements)

  • @Gaia.Tree said:

    @echoopera said:
    Honestly when i bought the OP-Z i was in love with it but after about 12 months the frailty of its construction became apparent.

    I kept the unit in the TE protective case but my Volume/Power button broke.
    Then 3-5 of my lower scale keys are double and triple trigging whenever i press them once. I have to press the button at an odd angle to avoid a double or triple trigs when performing on the unit.

    The concept of the synth is a great one...but it won’t hold up to being played like a normal instrument over time the way you’d expect it to.

    My Circuit is over 3 years old and performs like a champ.

    I’m really disappointed in these first batch of units. I hope for the sake of others that TE have worked thru their quality issues because it is a very cool device. But i won’t buy it again after experiencing these issues after having it for little over a year.

    Word of advice, don’t ever buy a used OP-Z because you will experience these issues more than likely.

    Thank goodness for the MPC ONE and Drambo. Everything i had in the OP-Z can now be had in these two great pieces of gear.

    I’m still
    Gonna get an OPZ but definitely will skip the TE case and get the analog cases one. Also will be sure and buy new from an authorized vendor for possible issues ;)

    I’m just so set on getting the new iPhone SE and the OPZ to complete my super tiny portable setup (Blackbox and iPhone 7 currently)
    There’s nothing else quite so small that does quite so much and the synths do sound better than the OP1. Sure wish TE would bump up that QC tho

    Yeah. Go new from authorized resaler with Warranty.

  • @echoopera im sure there could be problems down the road no doubt as it is a bit flimsy. But I have friends that have had theirs over about a year and have none of the issues you mention. I think it depends on the amount of usage and how you use it. A warning is kind of you but I don’t think owning an Opus Z is as perilous as you’re making it out to be.

  • @Samflash3 thanks for the heads up on op1.fun. Hadn’t seen that before.

  • @Bill_Brasky said:
    @echoopera im sure there could be problems down the road no doubt as it is a bit flimsy. But I have friends that have had theirs over about a year and have none of the issues you mention. I think it depends on the amount of usage and how you use it. A warning is kind of you but I don’t think owning an Opus Z is as perilous as you’re making it out to be.

    Well i find it disappointing after spending $600 on something that is partially functional after a year of light usage and extreme care. Yeah i know there are always lemons just didn’t expect it to be in my possession. Glad i can make lemonade from my MPC One and Drambo now.

    If i fix it ever comes out with replacement keys for the OP-Z I’ll get those and hope for the best cause i do like what the Zed has to offer...i just can’t use it to its full potential now so its frustrating.

  • @echoopera said:

    @Bill_Brasky said:
    @echoopera im sure there could be problems down the road no doubt as it is a bit flimsy. But I have friends that have had theirs over about a year and have none of the issues you mention. I think it depends on the amount of usage and how you use it. A warning is kind of you but I don’t think owning an Opus Z is as perilous as you’re making it out to be.

    Well i find it disappointing after spending $600 on something that is partially functional after a year of light usage and extreme care. Yeah i know there are always lemons just didn’t expect it to be in my possession. Glad i can make lemonade from my MPC One and Drambo now.

    If i fix it ever comes out with replacement keys for the OP-Z I’ll get those and hope for the best cause i do like what the Zed has to offer...i just can’t use it to its full potential now so its frustrating.

    Totally understand.

    That MPCone certainly looks amazing.

  • While I like the things folks make with the TE stuff, their hardware looks so fragile. The notes above definitely don't make it want ever buy anything, especially at cost. Ultimately, you can do more on an iPhone or iPad, but it's a question of workflow. I'd rather not learn another process of doing things but make my own, which we can do in many ways on iOS.

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