Mastering secret (Don’t tell anybody)

Tones4Christ

I tried ut on separate tracks and it does its magic too, but again tweak to taste.🙂

AtticusL

@auxmux said:
Finally got around to try Barkfilter Tripleband and it's legit. Also like how it acts as a limiter. Used at end of my master bus here.

Nice track!

auxmux

Thanks @AtticusL!

jolico

@Tones4Christ said:
I tried ut on separate tracks and it does its magic too, but again tweak to taste.🙂

Interesting.
Do you use different settings on each track?
Or is it the same “Tripleband” preset on all of them?

jolico

If you have TB Barricade, insert it with the “Subtle Glue” preset before Barkfilter Tripleband and tell me what you think.

jwmmakerofmusic

I switched to using an iPhone for most of my music producing needs, and I remembered this thread to see which app @jolico was on about. So I did exactly as he instructed, and holy shit mates! This method gives better results than Grand Finale and eliminates the extra step of having to export the unmastered version into another app.

I'm going to try this out with MagicDeathEye compressor. Thanks for the wicked tip @jolico

JohnnyGoodyear

@jolico said:
If you have TB Barricade, insert it with the “Subtle Glue” preset before Barkfilter Tripleband and tell me what you think.

+1

Fingolfinzzz

It really does work well and make the tracks just sparkle. I will usually turn some of the highs down a bit but it’s almost a set it and forget it type deal

kobamoto

never heard of it, very intrigued does it work stand alone?

cloudswimmer

Ok just bought it and not bad .. but as an AUV3 in Cubasis the right side is cut off so I don’t see the limiter .. so I used it as an IAA instead and it works great . but is there something I’m missing here in the AUV3 version in Cubasis?

JohnnyGoodyear

@jolico said:
If you have TB Barricade, insert it with the “Subtle Glue” preset before Barkfilter Tripleband and tell me what you think.

I have to add a thank you for the nudge towards 'Subtle Glue'; really good.

mjcouche

So how does this compare to TB Enhancer? Just curious, but the Bark scale is pretty cool though....

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jolico

@Max23 said:
i don't get what the fascination is about squeezing the life out of everything.
if its not acoustic recordings there is little need to mess with audio like that ...
synths & samplers have envelopes, use them instead of putting on some pseudo envelope aka compressor/limiter.

so you have something that goes up and down and all over the keyboard and some bassline, now you apply multibandcompression/litimitation. the parts of thing that goes up and down now clashes with the bass part, as it gets different compression as it goes up and down the keyboard. what once was a coherent thing is now this dynamic mess based on the frequency limits you have set ...
on the drum bus ok, as things are quite separated here in the frequency spectrum;
on the master bus harmful.

BTW. the shittier your playback system is the better this over compressed blop of audio sounds (like little computer speakers).

Actually I’m monitoring on Mackie HR-824s and Sennheiser HD-600s. Sounds great.

Also, you can go easy on the input level to preserve more dynamics.

Samflash3

Can I accomplish the same effect with Maxima? I'm trying to standardize my workflow, else I'll get too overwhelmed with apps.
Granted, it's Digital but I wanna make the most of the apps I choose to install.

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@Max23 said:
i don't get what the fascination is about squeezing the life out of everything.
if its not acoustic recordings there is little need to mess with audio like that ...
synths & samplers have envelopes, use them instead of putting on some pseudo envelope aka compressor/limiter.

so you have something that goes up and down and all over the keyboard and some bassline, now you apply multibandcompression/litimitation. the parts of thing that goes up and down now clashes with the bass part, as it gets different compression as it goes up and down the keyboard. what once was a coherent thing is now this dynamic mess based on the frequency limits you have set ...
on the drum bus ok, as things are quite separated here in the frequency spectrum;
on the master bus harmful.

BTW. the shittier your playback system is the better this over compressed blop of audio sounds (like little computer speakers).

You’re most probably right, but the only thing I know is that with Bark Filter on the mix bus my recordings sound better.

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jolico

@Max23 said:
hm, a little on how pro mastering works

Great video.

It would be interesting to hear his opinion about this particular preset though.

If you’re not redlining, you’re not headlining

cloudswimmer

@Max23 said:
i don't get what the fascination is about squeezing the life out of everything.
if its not acoustic recordings there is little need to mess with audio like that ...
synths & samplers have envelopes, use them instead of putting on some pseudo envelope aka compressor/limiter.

so you have something that goes up and down and all over the keyboard and some bassline, now you apply multibandcompression/litimitation. the parts of thing that goes up and down now clashes with the bass part, as it gets different compression as it goes up and down the keyboard. what once was a coherent thing is now this dynamic mess based on the frequency limits you have set ...
on the drum bus ok, as things are quite separated here in the frequency spectrum;
on the master bus harmful.

BTW. the shittier your playback system is the better this over compressed blop of audio sounds (like little computer speakers).

Tannoy PBM 6.5’s, Velodyne CT15, and Hafler Pro 2400 ..... sounds great here.

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jolico

@Max23 said:

@jolico said:

@Max23 said:
hm, a little on how pro mastering works

Great video.

It would be interesting to hear his opinion about this particular preset though.

If you’re not redlining, you’re not headlining

he hates multibanddynamics and doesnt use them because of the effect I described above.
he says something like I hate how multibandcompression rips the instruments apart on a master

btw. if you send your limited mixes to a mastering house, they will sent it back to you saying give me the original mix without all that shit on the master, we can't work with this.

I don’t think you’ve tried this preset on your mixes yet. It doesn’t flatten dynamics as much as you think, unless your input is way too hot.

Also, I don’t think anybody would send mastered material to a mastering house.

I would even recommend sending stems so that the whole mix can be balanced by fresh capable ears, but after this discovery I don’t think I’ll send anything to a mastering house ever again.

Proppa

Thank god there's more than one way to produce music top to bottom. Some of my favorite music of all time was meticulously mastered by traditional means and some was literally banged out on a drum machine and overdriven through (whatever) and both methods are completely legit though perhaps not everyone's cup of tea.

jolico

@Proppa said:
Thank god there's more than one way to produce music top to bottom. Some of my favorite music of all time was meticulously mastered by traditional means and some was literally banged out on a drum machine and overdriven through (whatever) and both methods are completely legit though perhaps not everyone's cup of tea.

True.
Same with any other art forms.

Kandavu

Bark Filter has dropped in price to $4.99 USD

https://itunes.apple.com/app/id1257672871?at=11l3KP&mt=8&ct=2

espiegel123

FWIW, I just tried TripleBand (leaving the limiter off) on a track and it had a really nice impact even with settings that did not boost the overall volume. The track has only bass drums and a pad. I was a total skeptic but on that track, the result is really nice: a little more clarity and definition.

NoiseHorse

I Bark everything nowadays. This has been the thread of the year for me.

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espiegel123

@StudioES said:
This is like the 21st century Aphex Aural Exciter or BBE Sonic Maximizer. I did this test earlier, & exactly what the cutoff points are doing is still a mystery.

Ok, so I took the Monoband preset and cloned the Tripleband preset. Only thing that needed changed is Master tab > Ratio 1.82:1. Left it a monoband compressor. Sounds muddy. Then set 2 cutoff points at 1000hz and 6000hz, making it a tripleband compressor, just like the Tripleband preset. Sounds clear, not muddy, exactly the same as the Tripleband preset. Each of the 27 EQ & Compressor settings are at the defaults. So not only are each of the 27 filters tuned to specific bandwidths, so are the cutoff points...or something...I'm not smart enough for this...any astrophysicists around? What's happening here?

I think what is going on (and someone correct me if this is wrong—it doesn’t seem to be spelled out anywhere) is that all the bands between cutoff points act together. So essentially, in Tripleband you have three compressors working independently in three frequency ranges.