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Mastering secret (Don’t tell anybody)

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  • @jolico So my alarm clock went off a couple minutes ago, and this was the first video I saw.

    What a great way the start the day! 🙃

  • @jolico said:

    Lol I get the sentiment of the video but it is so obnoxious although I agree.

    On that note though, for real, it seems daunting but if you keep using your ear and the right tools, the practice will make you better and more confident in getting more balanced mixes

  • @Fingolfinzzz said:

    @jolico said:

    Lol I get the sentiment of the video but it is so obnoxious although I agree.

    On that note though, for real, it seems daunting but if you keep using your ear and the right tools, the practice will make you better and more confident in getting more balanced mixes

    The right tools:
    https://ddmf.eu/magicdeatheyestereo/

  • finally got around to dropping the $4.99 on Barkfilter since I'm trying to finish some tracks. As good as having an experienced mastering engineer finish my tracks? Probably not. But definitely sounds much better than anything else I've tried to do self mastering.

  • @rms13 said:
    finally got around to dropping the $4.99 on Barkfilter since I'm trying to finish some tracks. As good as having an experienced mastering engineer finish my tracks? Probably not. But definitely sounds much better than anything else I've tried to do self mastering.

    As you're going to be using as a mastering tool?

    Get your mix sounding good first.
    Barkfilter is a bit like Yamaha NS10's.
    You either love it or hate it.

    My advice would be to set it to -15dB across all 27 bands.
    It doesn't sound quite as good when it's set to
    three band compression though it can be fun
    on dubstep basses or similar.

    Compression and ratio to taste.

    I prefer to use it with a light touch.

    Have fun.

  • its a rabbitshole

  • @Gravitas said:

    @rms13 said:
    finally got around to dropping the $4.99 on Barkfilter since I'm trying to finish some tracks. As good as having an experienced mastering engineer finish my tracks? Probably not. But definitely sounds much better than anything else I've tried to do self mastering.

    As you're going to be using as a mastering tool?

    Get your mix sounding good first.
    Barkfilter is a bit like Yamaha NS10's.
    You either love it or hate it.

    My advice would be to set it to -15dB across all 27 bands.
    It doesn't sound quite as good when it's set to
    three band compression though it can be fun
    on dubstep basses or similar.

    Compression and ratio to taste.

    I prefer to use it with a light touch.

    Have fun.

    I use "mastering" in quotes. I'm mostly using it as a limiter on the master bus to make levels as loud as commercial songs. My mixing skills are mediocre but improving

  • @rms13

    I also use "mastering" in quotes.
    I master by ear.
    If it sounds good to me then I'm cool with that.

    It takes time to develop your own sound.

    Switch the auto gain on.

    Have fun.

  • I don't use mastering with quotes :#

  • Does anyone here own TB Equalizer?

  • @rs2000 said:
    Does anyone here own TB Equalizer?

    Yes. It’s great, but the user interface is too small for my little iPhone screen.

  • edited May 2020

    How do you open a file in Standalone Barkfilter app?

    If your answer is “You can’t” my follow up is:

    How do you export a fileplayer file with AUv3 on it from AUM without re-recording in real-time a file already recorded?

    If your answer is “You can’t” my follow up is:

    Just DAW then? (If not while recording In AUM, which, wouldn’t that *not be a good idea?). Ok, how do you use the share sheet to open an audio file in GarageBand?

    If your answer is “You can’t” my follow up is:

    W h Y n O o o O T ?$&??

  • I recommend real-time in AUM.

    I used to render in Audio Evolution, but I prefer to listen to the whole thing while recording so that I don’t get any surprises.

  • This. Is. Really. Good!

    Wow. Very very helpful to get the thing glued together. I really liked the sound!
    Thanks for sharing this secret 👊🏼🙃

  • Do you all just kind of set it and forget it or make adjustments? I always find I have to work on the high end quite a bit after setting it to tripleband. It just tends to make the high end really shrill and harsh at first before I make adjustments

  • @Fingolfinzzz said:
    Do you all just kind of set it and forget it or make adjustments? I always find I have to work on the high end quite a bit after setting it to tripleband. It just tends to make the high end really shrill and harsh at first before I make adjustments

    I turned down the Compressor ratio a little bit. I think from somewhat 1.9 to 1.4 and this was really doing the trick

  • eek presets. ruuun.

  • @noob said:
    eek presets. ruuun.

    "These are not the droids you're looking for. Let us pass."

    But for many music styles it's like A1 Snake Sauce or "What's Dis Here" sauce or MSG or Hot Sauce or Sriracha. We all have different tastes but Presets can add the right mix of spices fast.

  • When you use WOOTT on synths. Would Barkfilter be a worse choice over seperate apps or is it really the same?

  • @sigma79 said:
    When you use WOOTT on synths. Would Barkfilter be a worse choice over seperate apps or is it really the same?

    WOOTT is like a distortion pedal and BarkFilter is like a tube pre-amp for recording a final mix. WOOTT changes tones and BarkFilter brings out existing tone in a mix... EQ'ing and
    applying selective compression/limiting.

    Magic Death Eye also applies EQ and selective spectrum compression. Those are the
    tweaks a master mix down engineer manages to make more of the music transparent on the recording. Some careful application of reverb is also used to place the music in a 3d sound space in most cases. A good IR Reverb will do that generally by loading Impulses recorded in specific spaces or using specific speaker/cabinet combinations.

    WOOTT is more of a mangler to create new tones adding a lot of distortion harmonics and such.

    Barkfilter produces new EQ mixes and has the code to applying a Limiter which is also
    an essential step in mastering to avoid volumes that will clip the signal on streaming or audio playback systems. That's where the whole LUFS -14 stuff surfaces when people talk about mastering.

  • @david_2017 said:

    @Fingolfinzzz said:
    Do you all just kind of set it and forget it or make adjustments? I always find I have to work on the high end quite a bit after setting it to tripleband. It just tends to make the high end really shrill and harsh at first before I make adjustments

    I turned down the Compressor ratio a little bit. I think from somewhat 1.9 to 1.4 and this was really doing the trick

    I’ll try that next time, I usually would start messing more with the threshold and attack and release in the high end but didn’t think to do the ratio lol

  • @Fingolfinzzz said:

    @david_2017 said:

    @Fingolfinzzz said:
    Do you all just kind of set it and forget it or make adjustments? I always find I have to work on the high end quite a bit after setting it to tripleband. It just tends to make the high end really shrill and harsh at first before I make adjustments

    I turned down the Compressor ratio a little bit. I think from somewhat 1.9 to 1.4 and this was really doing the trick

    I’ll try that next time, I usually would start messing more with the threshold and attack and release in the high end but didn’t think to do the ratio lol

    Haha i am so new to mixing and mastering and all this stuff. I am fighting my way through piles and piles of videos, articles, manuals, bought „the secret of dance music production“, and actually starting to feel a little progress in the right direction....

    Go for it :)

  • and is a filter something you might buy if you use WOOTT a lot or would you just tweak WOOTT as it has range> @McD said:

    @sigma79 said:
    When you use WOOTT on synths. Would Barkfilter be a worse choice over seperate apps or is it really the same?

    WOOTT is like a distortion pedal and BarkFilter is like a tube pre-amp for recording a final mix. WOOTT changes tones and BarkFilter brings out existing tone in a mix... EQ'ing and
    applying selective compression/limiting.

    Magic Death Eye also applies EQ and selective spectrum compression. Those are the
    tweaks a master mix down engineer manages to make more of the music transparent on the recording. Some careful application of reverb is also used to place the music in a 3d sound space in most cases. A good IR Reverb will do that generally by loading Impulses recorded in specific spaces or using specific speaker/cabinet combinations.

    WOOTT is more of a mangler to create new tones adding a lot of distortion harmonics and such.

    Barkfilter produces new EQ mixes and has the code to applying a Limiter which is also
    an essential step in mastering to avoid volumes that will clip the signal on streaming or audio playback systems. That's where the whole LUFS -14 stuff surfaces when people talk about mastering.

    Hi thanks.

    What about a filter before or after a WOOTT. WOOTT can filter and add distortion and can be tweaked to to add or remove harmonics but wondering if a filter station, with all different filters would be useful with WOOTT, even though most synths have a filter.

  • I think theres filters in turnado. I will try with that. For no reason.

    Thanks for info McD.

  • Oh my. I master my stuff with some great apps and was pleased with how they sounded. I picked up Bark Filter last night (£3.99j and am playing my mixes through it. Oh sweet bejeezus. I’m hearing things I didn’t even know were in there. Yes, I’m using the tripleband preset.
    Everyone should own this. And then everyone should leave a review as there are not many. It’s like I had an old, woolly blanket over my monitors and this has whipped it off. @VirSyn thank you. I’m not gonna ask how you did it but I’m glad you did...

  • edited June 2021

    Alright, your descriptions have motivated me to give it a try and indeed - the plugin improves overall mix. The sound seem to have more detail and dynamics. I have compared it to what I already own and what does similar things - FAC Maxima and Maxima sounds "almost" as good as Barkfilter. Now I guess I have another obsolete app. Oh well, life moves on.

  • @israelite said:
    Alright, your descriptions have motivated me to give it a try and indeed - the plugin improves overall mix. The sound seem to have more detail and dynamics. I have compared it to what I already own and what does similar things - FAC Maxima and Maxima sounds "almost" as good as Barkfilter. Now I guess I have another obsolete app. Oh well, life moves on.

    Secret tip 🤫
    The output gain is BEFORE the limiter in the signal chain.

  • how do you access triple band preset? mine only has one preset and if i type in tripleband it sounds horrible, my preset is deep holes

  • @daviddavid said:
    how do you access triple band preset? mine only has one preset and if i type in tripleband it sounds horrible, my preset is deep holes

    Tap on where it says deep holes and you’ll get a drop down of preset choices.

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