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Thank you. This is a fascinating project. And as more free modules are added to VCV Rack do you have the option to add them to MiRack as well going forwards?
@mifki
Some interesting maybe worrying discussions going on over at the VCV Rack Group on FB from Leonardo Laguna Ruiz from VULT. What’s going on ? He states the following?
Hello my friends. After short discussion about miRack in the VCV Rack developers group, I invite you to hold your purchases of miRack until some of the issues about copyright are resolved.
EDIT: Pyer reports that the issues have been fixed. But I'm a bit sour on how the negotiations with Greyscale (Wes) went.
On the code side, miRack is perfectly legal because the developer used open source software that has a permissive license and allows using it that way.
On the UI side the things are not very clear. Many of the graphics used have copyright and the legal use of those assets has not being taken care of.
My point is that: "The developer is using as selling point the name of VCV Rack and all the developers. He needs to acknowledge that, and comply with the terms of the people that worked hard to simplify the development of his app."
Until those issues are sorted out, I invite you not hold your purchase in order to put some pressure to the developer so he actively fixes those issues.
If you already purchase the app, please contact him and tell him to get permission/license of the graphic assets used.
Of course, this is a suggestion you can do whatever you want.
Developers response.
https://community.vcvrack.com/t/vcv-rack-on-ios-android-devices/1313/53
Seems a fair response . Sounds like sour grapes from the VULT dev !
i think warm reactions from iOS community and rating in appstore speaks for itself... that guy doesn't deserve attention by sharing and discussing his hate post..
The argument that some of the developers are making about asking permission regardless of what the license says is pretty silly. The whole point of permissive licenses is to allow people to use your code/assets and defining exactly how they can be used.
As someone who regularly releases software (none of which gets used nearly as much as these modules!), I absolutely get not wanting your work to be used in commercial projects without permission. But there are licenses that make that clear, so if that's how you feel, pick those licenses.
The dev community around vcvrack is very special
Seems that they know the commercial potencial around vcvrack but they don’t know how to do.
A little creepy community
When someone says “my friends” in order to get people to gang up on an individual it always sticks in my craw...
That is part of the politics, and sure it irks me too especially when I do not agree...
This has veered off into land mine territory. Things stated here about what was said in a FB group could be misquoted back and be the start of a whole lot of trouble. I would caution the dev not to take the bait. Matters between the devs should remain between them. I would invoke Fight Club rules on the matter.
You can follow the linked discussion on community.vcvrack.com, it's just too much to repost here. The main points:
The problem with Grayscale comes from the fact he thinks the graphics I made as a replacement for his "component library" graphics is a derivative of his. Give that the most of the graphics is literally top-down views of hardware components and the remaining part is all like "a circle with a line", it's easy to argue about derivatives. However I've promptly updates the graphics to be clearly different (I also guess he was judging by small App Store screenshots only). I haven't heard from Grayscale ever since.
The second problem comes from the fact that some plugin developers think that the license in their repo doesn't apply to the graphics (i.e. applies to the source code only). In some cases this is indeed so - when the graphics is actually done by another person, and the plugin developer just forgot to mention this in the license file. Such situations are promptly resolved. In other cases, well, they just think graphics files are special.
I can confirm miRack follows any and all license terms that do exist in the used repositories.
Where's this from? This is a blatant lie in any case, but also I got a permission from VCV author to mention VCV Rack the way it's currently mentioned in the App Store description.
@mifki Thank you so much for bringing this to iOS, you have opened up my experience to a whole new world. Best of luck 🙂
@mifki i think you have full support of iOS community, keep doing what you're doing ! Respect to your effort !
Yeah I'm sure everything is all good
I think if you are the author of the module and it comes with a logo design gui etc, it's up to the module author to make it clear what can't be reused if you apply an open source license to it. It's all fair use because you are using them in the context they are shared, (eg you aren't selling t-shirts with the logo designs etc) just as the modules.
So as long as there are the appropriate acknowledgements, I can't see the problem.
@mifki 5 Stars from Sweden no question about it!
The desktop version on which this is inspired by never clicked with me at all...
...guess I've out-grown keyboard and mouse input for certain types of apps.
@mifki
Yes thanks for bringing this to iOS as I said it sounds like sour grapes from a dev who is jealous of your success.
Opening up proper modular to a new community and let more people get into modular with miRack can only be good for the while music making modular community.
So I guess these Midilar hardware modules could also work with miRack?
https://midilar-controller.webnode.sk/
I see it’s the top paid app in the music section today.
Completely deserved, its an excellent app and something the ios community was vainly dreaming about. Good luck in sorting out the legal side.
Well the nysthi dev answered this : Ciao Vitaly
if you give instructions about a format of a static lib I can give you a static build + resources of NYSTHI that you can include in your distribution (of course recompiling a new miRack version)
Antonio
So we might see some nysthi modules maybe!
If you want specific notes, use a quantizer module like the JW quantizer. Just run a vco through it. U can use stuff like clock dividers also to have sub octaves or so. Higher octaves, u multiply.
I love watching all the hate about the fanboy party dev vcvrack...and after that, The dev of nysthi gives all the support to Mirack.
Like I said before, the vcvrack crew are little creepy. For example, all the discussions about the poor performance around Rack or the impossibility to port to Ios.
Right now, a lot of users are saying that the performance on iOS is EVEN A LOT SUPER HIGHER than Mac.
What a surprise, hahahahaha
I can totally confirm this. My desktop studio machine is a 8 core, 20gb RAM, Mac Pro. My ipad is a Air 2 (5 years old?). Most definitely miRack runs better on the ipad.
I really don’t understand the controversy here? It was said several times in the past that an iOS port wasn’t worth it or wasn’t possible.... somebody actually does it.... BS ensues. SMH.
This is nothing new of course. There has been these types of spats for years in the eurorack community. Very unfortunate because miRack on an ipad is super awesome.
100% support miRack. I haven't read the threads over there and don't plan to. After using miRack, I decided to download vcvrack on my Surface and it wasn't usable at all with touch. Maybe it will get better with time, because I was really hoping to use it on there. I'm really impressed with level of performance of miRack because when I last used 0.6 on my MacBook, my CPU was maxing out.
mirack for president 2020
This is pretty damn interesting and splendid app! I like it! Pitches correctly to sample rate too.
I think we all could live without those features for now.
Should the nagging about graphics copyright continue, simplified and unified GUI, though diminishing “hardware feel”, would add to usability. So I think it’s not the problem either. I will add my voice to those who asked for multi channel audio out and Plateau reverb as the most needed features.
So VCV rack .6 had a separate license for the images on the faceplates? I’m asking genuinely because this stuff is confusing.
I read your responses on the other forum and you handled it really well.
IP lawyer here.
Delicate question.
I can only say by experience that the greater the noise, the more the matter dissolves into nothing.
Hold on strong. You did a terrific job and deserve only compliments.
So, it sounds great. But will it ever be usable in the iOS ecosystem?
wow really ? Awesome, @mifki did amazing job !!
Because AN support is on todo list (i think) i would say YES, definitely yes. Even simple audio recorder would be cool (for now you can record audio using iOS screen capture
)
And virtual midi works, so you can send any midi data from other apps into miRack - so, it is already usable
Most important - it is LOT LOT of fun to play with it.
oops sorry